Russia has run counter to American interests for literally a century. Based on their actions on the world stage, this hasn't changed.
Why is everyone okay with all the Trump cabinet members and staffers having had some kind of contact with Russians, and then lying about it? The frequency and duration of the contact between these people has far exceeded normal diplomatic communications, which is what prompted the internal investigations in the first place.
We should be talking about this, not falling for Russian memes about fake news or accusing everyone of being from liberal shill websites. Your political preference is irrelevant, because if they had helped Hillary win then we would simply be in the opposite situation; they would have still meddled with our election,and that shouldn't be okay, nor should it be defended.
>America has run counter to Russian interests for literally a century. Based on their actions on the world stage, this hasn't changed.
The conflict goes back a lot longer than that (indirectly).
But the thing is, they have nukes too. If you want more cold war, you can have it. They're game. If you want peace it's possible you might have to see things from their side as well. They are surrounded by military bases and their trade routes are unreliable. And in the long run, they are fucked. The US and Europe are winning. By a lot. And Hillary kept pushing them, so they pushed back.
Of course no one trusts Russia though. The democrats tried to get along better with them and it ended badly. So now they're butthurt and don't want Trump to have a shot at it. Because he might very well succeed where they failed. Partly because it can happen at the same time as certain changes in the world order. This is a great opportunity the democrats are trying to ruin. It's shameful really.
Lucas Hernandez
>still drinking the kool-aid Proofs needed that this is even habbining
David Perez
What do you mean? US and Russia worked together in WW2 to ensure Europe, and eventually the world was forever ruined with Marxism.
Tyler White
Putin doesn't respect Trump though. I mean how could he. The man served in the KGB, did god knows what during that time, became a politician for decades, hunts large animals, and is now the richest man on the planet because he bought all the industry after the Soviet Union collapsed.
Enter Trump, a narcissist with poor business skills and a tiny net worth who does or says anything to earn applause. A man who is visibly laughable and says ridiculous things, far worse than even George Bush.
Putin doesn't take him seriously, no more than you could take a kid from a special class seriously. Therefore American interests will never be respected. Trump is in this for Russia, and for America's detriment, and he would be a fool for that not to be his motivation.
>still doubting the entire national security sector
Gabriel Myers
1. It's bullshit.
2. Even if it's not bullshit, Russian interference is preferable to anything the Democrats and establishment Republicans have to offer us.
Dylan Stewart
Do you guys really managed to convince each others that that's how it works or do you just think we're dumb?
You know that this is why we won and are still winning right? Because you guys keep taking people for idiots.
You know how a few years back they kept saying the republicans need to stop being the "dumb party"?
It's happening. The republicans are the smart party now.
And what have the democrats become? An SJW fest of brainwashing and 1984-like mindless hatred of all who oppose them.
The republican retards were the old fundamentalists and they're dying off. The democratic retards are a fresh batch though. They're there for a long time and they make reconciliation with the rest of the US near impossible.
The democrats played themselves.
We're looking towards the future and it's bright.
Carter Watson
Russian interests are orthogonal to American.
More like USA needs to get off the British internationalist cock.
John Cruz
>More like USA needs to get off the British internationalist cock.
how so? Pull out of NATO? lol whatever leaf
Brandon Reed
Because there's a difference between 'Russia' and 'the USSR'. America was right to oppose the USSR robustly because it wasn't just a normal country that just had a different style of government. It was committed to waging a global ideological struggle to try and bring the world under communist rule. But the USSR ceased to exist more than 25 years ago, and what you're now dealing with is Russia. Russia doesn't want world revolution, Russia just wants to be secure. It's foreign policy objectives in Europe and the Middle East need to be viewed through the lens of the Russian Empire and not the USSR. It wants defensible borders and access to a warm water port, which is all Russia has ever wanted.
Carson Brooks
Who need NATO anyway?
Zachary Diaz
Trump is making NATO stronger than ever before.
Why do you guys always keep repeating the same lies? Do you really think it will work here?
Henry Jenkins
>The democrats tried to get along better with them and it ended badly. Not exactly, many here agree that dems were trying screw us(fuck us up in the ass up to out throat), while preaching honey words to us: Clinton(Kosovo, connections with oligarchs), Obama(take your pic). While with reps we had at least constructive dialogue to a degree.
Why are you changing your cultural and ethnical composition to better accomodate them by taking and protecting millions of muddies into western countries, whilst screwing your peoples to such a degree that even russian-anons trying to calm them down. I mean you can't even using muddies against us: you started to en-masse welcoming them in Canada and almost did it in US. If its some geopolitics to let your people be outbred and suffer and destabilize your countries and the world in the hopes to outlive other big bad country a little, then screw you, do what you always do. As for us, we do not let you to pull us with you into that slaughterhouse.
Christopher Kelly
American interests do not equate with jewish banker interests, fuck off Shiite Iran and Syria have done absolutely nothing to threaten American well being Crimea is no different American foreign policy for the last half cenutry has been total bullshit and needs to change
Christopher Powell
you do realize the US government had contact with the soviet union throughout the entire cold war? like when you guys had missiles pointed at each other, you still fucking communicated.
Angel Johnson
oh and >Russian memes about fake news Love it when it was you faggot neoliberals that invented that meme in retaliation for Trump winning, then lost control of it because everyone in this country already despises the media and trust in them is only falling further
Carson Reyes
Proof. Trump met with famous Russian submarine captain.
Adrian Rodriguez
European defense? US superpower projection into Eurasia??????
NATO is literally the lynchpin behind the US's status in the western world, along with the UN. Get rid of it and the US can no longer operate in Europe/turkey/the middle east.
Jeremiah Lopez
There it is folks. The admission that the right would rather betray America than lose.
Dylan Morris
First paragraph meant for youIm not in form today, meh
Wyatt Parker
The deep state is out of ideas and they are panicking.
Lincoln Johnson
Hrm OK. I was thinking of the "reset" thing they talked about. desu I didn't follow it very closely but I assumed they might truly have tried and it backfired. They're mad now for sure though.
Daniel Howard
>The man served in the KGB, did god knows what during that time, He did not kill Bond. He had a desk job. . No noticeable career growth. Which is why he quit it to work in city administration in St.Petersburg. Why you guys all so scared of KGB. It's not like in the movies.
Blake Robinson
it about time to add Crimea
Carter Green
wow you mean we'd have to stop invading arab shitholes and toppling governments because they did something that was perfectly okay like try to form a new currency? how horrible
Austin Lopez
and have another power fill the power vacuum and have the US dollar get raped?
not in our interests you cuck
Jose Nelson
Great powers need a balance. Unipolar empires always collapse under their own weight. We need healthy competition. The cold war saw the greatest period of American history. Our accomplishments and prosperity were unmatched. Power needs to be balanced.
Juan Ross
Well, this. We barely can control what we have now. Elites are either compradors or strongly paranoid. Russia is not in shape to try to do things USSR did. Moreover we don't have ideological basis for that. No one sane believes in communsit world-wide revolution nowadays. Russians are in phase of loving everything european now.
Most funny thing in all this new paranoia about russian interference is that Russia actually don't have anything to offer for any american official to betray his country. Seriously what can we offer for wannabe russian agent? Residence in Crimea? Siberian mushrooms? I don't get it how americans can buy this nonsense about Russia placing their men right into the white house. Absolute surreal.
Elijah Scott
Because China totally wants to spend hundreds of billions playing world police. All American hegemony has done is see the influx of millions of shitskins into our country and those allied with us, and the loss of native purchasing power. A complete waste of our fucking time and effort. You can have a perfectly functional and healthy economy without the neoliberal imperialism fucks like you have been brainwashed to believe is necessary.
Jayden King
Brezinski is so passee.
*rolls eyes*
Benjamin Edwards
American interests - world domination. Too bad Soviets during the end of Cold War thought the differences were ideological rather than geopolitical and ended the Warsaw pact not realising that NATO would expand further than GDR.
Alexander Davis
Because I don't give a shit, and would rather see the antagonism concentrated more on China if anything, since they're an actual, legitimate threat with conflicting interest going far beyond different opinions over the management of irrelevant middle eastern and ex-Warsaw Pact shitholes. If they did truly involve themselves in a proven way beyond the testimony of "trust me, I'm from the Intelligence Community™" then they should be punished for it, if not, whatever, I really don't care as long as the policies they enact impact me positively, which thus far they are.
Gabriel Green
>Because China totally wants to spend hundreds of billions playing world police. Being able to control the world for the furthering of your national interests is a very good and lucrative thing, yes. They're already doing it economically in Africa.
Dominic Lopez
This is actually a relatively well thought out post. On the off chance you aren't Share Blue, you should understand something. We've been inundated by paid shills since before the primaries were over. It's been a constant background noise and is so pervasive that just about any anti Trump posting is dismissed out of hand by the majority of board regulars. So, on to possible Russian contacts. At the moment it appears as if the majority of Russian contacts with Trump's cabinet designees was after the election. Which means Russia was seeking clarification of what Trump's stance towards Russia would be. With the Clinton campaign and Obama administration pushing the "Russian hackers" narrative, and with a build up of American troops in Eastern Europe on Russia's borders, the Kremlin was likely seeking assurance from the incoming administration that the posturing of a lame duck president would not carry over into hostilities once Trump took office. Outgoing administrations leaving an incoming administration to clean up a mess is nothing new. Ask Bill Clinton about Somalia. As to Russian hackers throwing the election for Trump, the fact is that wether it was Russia or someone else, someone hacked both the Clinton campaign and the DNC revealing corruption. Now, corruption is nothing new, but the level of arrogant incompetence displayed by both the DNC, Clinton and the people she chose to surround herself with did more to destroy her perceived fitness as a leader than the leaks themselves. The leaks also revealed massive collusion with the media and large, obscene even, donations to the Clinton Foundation and Clinton Campaign from foreign governments such as Saudi Arabia. If Russia did intervene in the U.S. elections, thier primary crime seems to be backing the wrong candidate. And, if we're honest, this is karma coming back to bite the Clintons squarely in the ass.
Christian Nelson
>I didn't follow it very closely but I assumed they might truly have tried and it backfired. Understandable, many russians, for example, till recent times also assumed dems are good peaceful guys, and reps are all evil neocons. Politicians' attitude towards islam is actually a pretty good bullshit indicator of at least some trustworthiness of said politicians in the current times, as i figured this few years ago.
You have to be good at controlling the world tho. You are bad at controlling the world since the 90's after the USSR collapsed your surprise victory went to your skull and now you're thrown out of Eurasia and the Middle East where even Egypt Saudi Arabia and the UAE and Qatar are buying Russian military shit Turkey wants to join the Shanghai bloc while Iran is strengthened. Btw, being nativist isolationist racist cunts is also a bad strategy if you are planning on trading and controlling the 90% of the planet that's not white and your tools of hard power are limited and quite shitty after Iraq and Libya so you need better tools of soft power that are not limited to either being full on racist isolationist cunts or pozzed globalist dildo mongers otherwise the rest of the world cannot justify being aligned with you without taking a whole lot of bribe money from the State dept. Really the dollar as the reserve currency is the only thing going for your global hegemony and that is an achievment you got after winning world war 2 not because your current burger self is a good productive worker or anything like that and most countries are actively trying to circumvent that system and do it in a way that doesn't hurt their own economy.
Owen Sanders
The KGB was terrifying, but not because of Bond movies. The espionage aspects of the KGB was maybe 15% of thier budget. The real power of the KGB were their demoralization programs which, truth be told, were highly successful. They destroyed the social fabric of western Europe and have left it weak and ripe for conquering. Instead of the Soviet Union, it will be the Muslims that takes Europe.
Logan Harris
This guy calls and wants to discuss some matter with you. What would you do?
Josiah Morales
>youtube.com/watch?v=9sudCmrAsF4 kek desu How the fuck did that happen? Did she get sabotaged or was that stupid button her idea and she couldn't get it done right? Supposedly she's hell to work with and goes crazy all the time. Maybe some guy couldn't figure out what his job was due to miscommunication and insanity.
Ayden Kelly
ITT, Russian sympathizers, and actual Russians, some of which through proxies, convincing Americans that Russia is our friend and that hacking our election was for our own good.
James Watson
Americans believe in magical chains of events. Trump believes that by saying RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM from the podium he can suddenly change the situation. LGBT freaks believe that if they can marry as normal people they can become normal. Hillary thought that by pushing a red button Russians would forget about their intrests and start giving up negotiatng points, because "we pressed that button haven't we?"
they maybe jumpend on that train later on to steer it in a direction that suited their interests but the pozzification was started by your own deep state since in the 50's they saw that there was no leftist opposition besides the pro Soviet communist working class groups and prosperity half of the world's GDP so they created a controlled opposition in the form of the Drug culture and hippie movment and funneled all the unrest into a completely controlled coroporate based from of protest where young people were drugged listened to corporate pop music and punk rock tuned out of society and neutralised themselves politically.
Angel Cook
Putin may or may not respect Trump. But he will respect the men Trump has put in charge of the military. And while Democrats see Trump's refusal to back down or let the smallest slight go unchallenged as childish, foreign leaders will either see it as quickly sign of strength or a sign of being unbalanced. Either one is to Trump's advantage.
Aiden Brooks
Man, they finally let Marco Ramius out in the open. And Captain Ramius is Lithuanian, not Russian.
Ian Ramirez
You mean like Hillary and Obama did already by selling Billions of dollars in arms to the middle east? Giving them additional billions in cash, lifting sanctions on Iran giving them nukes? Oh yeah their interests run parrallel to the US's. Im sure Iran just wants to thank us for stabilizing the region with all those weapons or maybe they are gratefful that lovely coup d'etat we threw them in the 1950's. Please Democrats have been are always will be the Party of deception and betrayal leveraging the programmed emotions of useful idiots and psuedo-intellectual peons.
Lincoln Moore
>Hillary thought that by pushing a red button Russians would forget about their intrests and start giving up negotiatng points, because "we pressed that button haven't we?" Listen to her leading questions to Lavrov. Look at her face expressions and body language of Lavrov. Listen to what tv-host says in the end. Are you new here or what? That was a threat.
Nicholas Hernandez
Then she believed that her threats are magical anyway. she can't scare Lavrov, he perfectly knows about our nuclear dick so he can't be scared by some symbolic actions.
Jacob Williams
That was the Neocons. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, they just assumed the U.S. would move in and take over all the places the Soviets had vacated. Bill Clinton mostly cockpit blocked them on that score in the 1990's and when they got George W in office they went full retard and wrecked the middle east. Obama in turn civic blocked Clinton and was supposed to fix things, but early in his presidency they showed him the Zapruder film and told him if he didn't play ball he'd be up for his own Dallas convertible ride. So he played ball. Hillary still had to have her turn, so despite her age, health and the fact that she had the charisma of a lamp post, the DNC made her the nominee. And she lost to Donald J Trump. Who has enough money and connections that the Neocons and Neoliberals can't control him without outright offing him. Except he's a billionaire with mob connections and has likely set up several Dead Man's Switch scenarios that will trigger if he's assassinated. Which is why they're pushing the Russian angle. It's all they have. For the people who lost power on January 20th, it's a shit sandwich. But they have to try and eat it, because as bad as it is, the alternative is to simply wait for the hangman.
John Gray
I don't really believe that Trump is independent of the US political and economic establishment also that establishment is not monolithic it has different factions with different interests and different global agendas and visions of how to get things done. Trump was supported by American domestic manufacturers and half of the intelligence apparatus that made Comey re-open the Clinton investigation one week before the election took place. I'm sure the FBI and the intelligence community had access to accurate social science and polling unlike the MSM which lead them to believe that Trump was ahead all along and that America had serious social issues with the minorities and the liberal-conservative divide on every possible issue.
Those in the elite who back Trump have an agenda to dial down the pozz, bring back manufacturing from China ( and possibly trigger a confrontation) and have an eight year break from enforcing global hegemony re-arm re-train consolidate and then go back to spreading the pozz while the Soros/Clinton Goldman Sachs CIA wing of the elite wants to go all in right now because they are scared that they don't have the time and that they will be pushed out of everywhere in these eight years. So they are now having a public internal battle which is on display taking the form of the muh Russia scandal with terms like "deep state" being thrown around.
Lucas Carter
Trump needs muh Russia in the short term to dial back confrontation with them since Trump cannot afford to both go after China, defend Israel and the Saudi's in the Middle East and attack Russian interests through Ukraine and Syria all at the same time. So Trump is trying to dial it back and negotiate while shitting all over the EU but going hard after the Chinese and the Iranians in the ME. Ofcourse the deep state Soros/Clinton globalist factions aren't letting him get away with this but he's basically following the prescriptions of Kissinger who said that you cannot push Russia and China into an alliance and hope to control the planet. Ofcourse Russia, China and Iran all know this as well and there is really nothing Trump can actually offer Russia so they will all likely escalate the confrontation on all fronts.
Matthew Ross
>But he will respect the men Trump has put in charge of the military. Because..?
All these cucks thinking we're still in the cold war. If anything Russia is tired of America's cowboy antics playing the world police role which are hopefully over now that Trumps in office. Relics like Mccain and Graham are to fucking cancer still driving this meme
Caleb Powell
So what? Looks like Patton-tier person, who will send living waves of burger muhreens againstnthe enemy
