Tell me again what's wrong with socialized healthcare?

Tell me again what's wrong with socialized healthcare?

Eurofriends, back me up here

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There's nothing wrong with it. Burgers are retarded.

It should be the moral standard. I'm willing to pay a fraction of my money to save people's lives

It depends, you pay more in taxes but if you have no health problems it's more expensive for you. But in this day and age nearly everyone is taking some kind of pill or prescription or needs a doctor every now and again and burgercare is fucking monumentally expensive even with coverage

>skirt protocol and huff chemicals without proper lab equipment for years
>get lung cancer from chemical huffing while working
>expect tax payers to foot the bill for shitty choices

>only people that make bad life choices get cancer

Look at obamacare.

Healthcare in Canada is shit. Is it free? Yeah. Do you also have to wait sometimes months for certain types of treatment? Yup. Have people died being on that waitlist? You bet.

Don't get me wrong, private healthcare can be expensive too, if they do it wrong. However if they do it right, costs come way down, making it a lot more affordable, while still keeping the efficiency of the field.

Theres a good reason people from all over the world go to the US for treatment.

it's ineffective because there are republican states that dont want it and sabotage it so they can say that it's ineffective and their gibsmedats politicians can get richer off the sick

It works in a mono-cultural, high IQ, mono-ethnic social state with 95% white Europeans. Alternatively Southeast Asians, but not as good.

It does not however work in a multi cultural and multi ethnic society. Multi culturalism and mass immigration, especially of non-Europeans, will sooner or later kill the welfare state and socialized medicine.

>the moral standard

This is the problem.
Yanks are naturally immoral creatures.

So you have the choice between

>free healthcare and nobody gives a shit about their health

>health insurance with premium increases that incentivize people to give a shit about their health

guess which one is better for society.

Half of my social security payements go to obese degenerates, mentally handicaped mongloids and kids with autism

how

You know something is malicious and malign when it's mandatory.

>healthcare and nobody gives a shit about their health
Are you seriously this retarded? No one enjoys going to the hospital

>hurr durr I have free healthcare so ima do mah best to get sick

It should be a state issue, not a federal one

Because fuck you and fuck your bills you fucking faggot. Pay for your own shit.

Fuck off it makes doctors lazy because they get paid either way

Friend went to the doctor with a lump on his head to check it out, got sent home with a cream for some bullshit, later it was examined again because it grew and guess what it was cancer

And it's always the same thing when you get a check up, it's always either flu or a cold, no matter what you have

Well for one thing it will never happen in the United States thanks to the fact that the health care lobby is one of the most influential in the US

But fact of the matter is that the quality tends to be shittier than private health care. You have to deal with long waiting lines before you can actually see your doctor.

I can't speak for other countries, but here in the UK our healthcare system is a timebomb. We do not have enough resources to meet demand, especially given that since it's free, people (especially the elderly) are quite likely to try and get help for extremely minor things which do not need treatment, which costs valuable time and resources.

We cannot support our healthcare system without huge changes.

It works relatively well here on some states.

A year or so ago I felt a sharp pain in my lungs one day, so I went to a public hospital. I spoke with a doctor who prescribed me very cheap drugs and then scheduled an x-ray later that afternoon, which was free of any hassle or annoyance.

My point is that you're wrong about your assessment.

Socialized healthcare is cancer.
t. country where most public hospitals are using dated equipment from at least 20+ years ago, lack funding, and all med students are fleeing west because doctors are absolutely underpaid.

Thank god for private healthcare.

How is the VA working out?

This. Only wrong thing with US healthcare style is all the lawsuits-thing

Even if minorities break out of their current role as being parasitic leeches sucking the blood of white taxpayers - a big if - the inherently low trust of multiethnic societies means that people will vote for less gibs because they don't want their money going to help people whom they don't perceive as belonging to their in-group.

>It works in a mono-cultural, high IQ, mono-ethnic social state with 95% white Europeans.
Just look at the soviet block mate, it doesnt work at all

Not like we could afford non-socialised healthcare. We almost had a revolution over 50 cent visitation fees

>all med students are fleeing west because doctors are absolutely underpaid.
that wouldn't be a problem if all countries had socialized healthcare

LOL. Yeah ok. Ask anyone who's been through cancer in canada using the system foisted on you at gunpoint how that show really ends.

Nobody goes around here drinking mercury or jumping in front of cars for free fun.

Imagine two car insurance companies:

The one company's clientele consists of 90% who are responsible drivers, 5% who are a little more hazardous, and 5% who are hazards/drunk drivers/ etc. Their model works because enough responsible drivers pay into the system to offset the cost of the smaller hazardous portion.

Now the other company is 50% responsible drivers, 40% irresponsible/hazardous drivers, and 10% total hazards who are a wreck waiting to happen. This company will either have ridiculously high premiums to deal with their constant payouts or go bankrupt.

As a nation filled to the brim with fatties, ignorance, and lack of health, a "single payer" system would turn into a monstrous cost and net loss for anyone who looks after themselves otherwise.

With that said the system does need regulation and re-structuring as costs have become exorbitant and the process has essentially turned into a battle system where you need an insurance company to get the hospital to come down to a reasonable cost.

you absorbed the italians and irish though

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Yeah, instead, we would have no doctos :^)
You would make a fine card-carrying party member.

HOL UP

Wouldn't he have healthcare & pension through the teachers' union?

Like school.

>Are you seriously this retarded?

Of course he is. Yanks are fat sacks of shit even without free healthcare.
Yet he imagines they would somehow be worse if given free medical treatment.

if you didn't live in a shithole the doc would be in jail

Teachers get health insurance.

This country needs Tort reform desperately.

So much shit would get fixed if people couldn't sue the shit out of people with ease.

English rule needs to be adopted.

Indeed. White people. A single ethnicity in the context of the United States.

Barely any compared to the 100 million Hispanics. That was also before the welfare state

The government hasn't got any money, it steals it from working people.

People are getting fatter and fatter and generally treat their bodies like shit.

because its shit qual

Doctors get paid regardless because they just run a bunch of test on you and get paid for that, even if all the tests come back inconclusive

Bait but in America it won't work.
You're a god damn libertarian country you fucking non-whites cunts STOP TRYING TO BE EUROPEAN

We have a good healthcare, and it's bleeding us dry for years because of complacency and shady deals.

>free healthcare and nobody gives a shit about their health
That's retarded. People ALWAYS prefer not to be sick or crippled. They're not economical robots that only consider the money expenditure of a choice.

Also, in the USA, where people are supposed to really care about their health because it's NOT socialized, you get millions of obeses and people who smoke and other shit.

Nothing, if you're a homogeneous country.

Why should anyone be forced to any body else's shit?
How much of my money are you entitled to?

>Then he dies in the end because he's white and they refuse to pay his healthcare.

I do think health care is a human right.

I was watching a nature show about chimpanzees and one died at a sanctuary. When the employees went to retrieve the body the other chimpanzees started attacking the employees.

The chimpanzees were coming to the defense of one of their own, and bravely risking their own safety to do it.

Human beings won't even remove a tumor from another human being without a hefty sum of money. Shit, in some regards, animals have more humanity than us.

Plus, besides being a human rights issue, health care and Capitalism aren't even compatible any-fucking-way. When you read about the basic tenets of Capitalism it involves things like market competition, and people being able to forgo purchasing a service. "Your price is too high? Well I just won't buy your shit." That doesn't fucking happen with health care. You either pay what they say or your health declines. There's no market competition, you have like one fucking hospital in your city.

Pretty much this. But this will only happen once people start to feel real economic pressure, we're not there yet, but will be in 10-20 years.

>free

Moron detected

You pay for
>roads
>public school
>the police
and a ton of other shit, doesn't your argument applies to that too?

We have spics, gooks, and niggers.

Nothing wrong with socialism in an ethnostate.

The chimps wanted to eat the corpse you idiot

>the government will pay your medical bills, taxpayer

Found the error

>anywhere but America

top fucking kek, try having cancer in an place with socialized healthcare (like Brazil) and see what happens you leafnigger faggot

to schools yes
The others are civil
you are a monkey though, so I won't waste time explaining it to you.

At least in my state public school teachers get health insurance. Wasn't the whole point that he had to get treatment that was new or experimental or something and insurance wouldn't cover it? In a privatized healthcare system, he can pay a ton of money and get treated. In a socialized healthcare system, he wouldn't get these experimental treatments at all.

As I've gotten older and seen the absolute state of the NHS I'm not too sure universal healthcare is that great. If it works well in other countries then great, but here I recently started playing for premium after I got sick with appendicitis and had to wait 3 hours for a doctor to see me, then to be transferred to a different hospital and had to wait another four hours.
Feltbadman.

Because unlike most places, America is 2 countries: one is rich, smart, civic minded and competitive or superior to even the best of Europe. The other is poor, stupid, violent, 3rd world and focused on nothing but gibs.

Most places with socialized medicine only have something analogous to our first country. Believe it or not, we already have socialized medicine, just only for the 2nd country.

Nah, they didn't understand he was dead, and thought the humans were trying to get him lol.

They were coming to his defense.

That comic is retarded. What other country than the US would have black doctors?

What did he mean by this post?

Overall its a better system than the American system however there are cons to every pro. The most clear cons are:

>Alot of the healthcare workers care less and dont work as hard because there hourly rate or salary doesn't change. There are no incentives for curing more people, and moving onto new patients quickly. Therefore you will see nurses with coffees and teas in their hands joking around in the hallway and doctors plodding slowly through hallways with their computers on wheels.

>its slow. If you go into an emergency room because you have some sort of discomfort get ready for a long wait. Kids are first and people with heart problems or other potential life threatening ailments go ahead of you.
Some wait times exceed 3 - 4.5 hours.

I myself have been to rhe wmergency as an adult maybe 5 or 6 times and half those times I left to 'tough it out' and go to a clinic the next day.

Thats the other problem...alot ofnoue clinic doctors aren't white canadians. They are foreigners and dont care. They do it for the respect and money. I went to the clinic 2 times in one day. First time i went he said i had laryngitis and if i start weezing and having trouble breathing come back. Well i did and he gave me a simple puffer and paperwork for an xray to see if i had pneumonia. Why not just give me those two things at first? Stupid muslim fucking 'socalled' doctor.

are white people generally scared of hispanics or is there just kind of a distrust?

Absolutely.

>Are you seriously this retarded? No one enjoys going to the hospital
Wish that was true friendo. In the US they can't force you to pay for emergency room visits, they just wreck your credit score.
Anyhow, we have niggers and retards coming in to the er for the dumbest shit. Women will come in and complain of gut pain while saying they think they're pregnant. Then we are forced to do a pregnancy test and ultrasound for them. They do it even after they take a pregnancy test at home because they think our pregnancy tests are more accurate. They're fucking retards.
Then we had a call about some woman complaining of heart pain coming in. They called us back saying she said she felt better and hopped off the ambulance to her friends place which is on the route to the hospital.
Our healthcare system as it is right now is abused as fuck. If we socialized it I can only assume it'd be even worse. People treat the emergency room as their primary care. It's fucking bullshit

Nothing wrong with it.

>Eastern bloc
>mono-ethnic
>white
retard

I'm pretty sure you'd tax both those activities if you could.

>my money
>doctor's labor
You have a right to neither, fatty.

Every country has socialized healthcare and the entire idea that the US doesn't is bullshit. It is a false dichotomy that the US doesn't have socialized healthcare, and other countries do. What the fuck do you think medicare is?

What the US doesn't have, post-Trump, is UNIVERSAL healthcare.

As for why I'm not fond of socialized healthcare, to an extent, I'm more fond of it than most of Sup Forums because I've been on the receiving end of it a lot. However, Canadian systems where the government pays 100% of cost for doctors visits and such I don't believe is wise, I believe there has to be some financial incentive to not overuse public resources.

Right now all western countries are having the next generation not have children, and we're having to deal with this situation by continually taking in immigrants. I believe part of the reason is we're so interested in healthcare for ourselves, and trying to extend our own lives, we're spending so much money on this our kids can't afford to actually continue our legacy. We're ironically commiting genetic suicide through healthcare spending. Lower spending will yes, hurt the weakest members of our society, however this is the case in the countries we're importing people from to replace our families.

By overspending on healthcare, we're basically ensuring we permanently import families from countries that don't, and are killing off our own legacy. It's harsh, but sometimes the weak have to be left behind.

T. Disabled, but am worried about my nieces and nephews.

massively inefficient.

Not just lawsuits, but govt regulation and govt sponsored healthcare, like Medicaid. All these things drive costs through the roof.

>surviving cancer outside the US
really gets ur noggin joggin

but in all honesty, single payer healthcare is great

>fraction

Also, to an extent, it's not even completely true the US doesn't have universal healthcare, everybody gets access to emergency care regardless of ability to pay.

It's really only stuff like long term care and preventative care people don't get universally in America.

It's actually amazing how full of half-truths the liberal side of this argument is. No universal healthcare when some healthcare services are universal. No socialized healthcare when tons of healthcare is socialized.

>walter white did it for the money

It's true women go to the doctor for the dumbest shit, well who knows... Maybe a system where you still pay for it but only after you got the treatment, and people who can't pay get the gibs for free.

>denmark
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH GET REKT

>free healthcare and nobody gives a shit about their health
this is what retard conservatives actually believe? No wonder you are the joke of politics

>everybody gets access to emergency care regardless of ability to pay.
but isn't it the case that you're then forced to pay the equivalent of a small cars value just for the ride over there? what good is it to be alive if you're millions in debt and in dire need of time to recover

Clearly we have a lot of catching up to do, they don't even get most cancers in Switzerland.

Well if it's socialized, you'd have to wait for 6 hours minimum, up to weeks if it's not urgent. And people still come for trivial shit. Especially women.

My utopia for healthcare is Americas model but with reasonable prices or reasonable priced insurance.

I don't want to pay for your bullshit

So why don't you?

Depends on how its done.

Obamacare forced people to buy private insurance instead of having an entirely optional public entity be the insurance provider.

Thus "socialized medicine" is a more toxic label than before.

It also depends on who is getting it.

12 year old girl wuth leukemia? Sure, take my money as long as people are only being taxed reasonably based on their income. Go ahead and "with force" take that money.

Young man with bone disease that otherwise prevents him from working. Yes give that man disability payments for life.

Smoker with lung cancer? As much as it hurts me because a close uncle died thus way - thats not fair to burdening on others.

Fat fuck wont stop eating 4000 calories a day? Subsidize his or her euthanasia.

There is a middle ground between the autism of ancaps and communism.

It's not even that. They're going to the emergency room to either confirm or deny their pregnancy. I'm not making this shit up. When the desk tells them to fuck off they start making shit up like they are pregnany and they're bleeding and shit. We're forced to take them in because it's a possible placental abruption.
It gives them a free pregnancy test (One they don't need, but want cause they're fucking stupid) and then an ultrasound as well. Fuck poor people. Want to know why healthcare is so fucking expensive in the states? Cause of fucking retards

Broke niggas don't like paying for shit. Poorfag conservatives and cheap as fuck billionaires in America teamed up to fuck over the poorfags because if they don't a democrat might get something worthwhile done.

Because similar types of people have similar health needs meaning it's easier to predict and control costs

Same reason why not being able to sell insurance across state lines keeps private insurance expensive (not the only reasons but a major reason)

Imagine how expensive your car insurance would be if the pool of insurers was limited to just your state and companies couldn't spread the risk nationally

Same thing happens with health insurance it's a stupid law from the thirties that prevents it.

T. Insurance fag

It works if you don't treat immigrants who don't pay taxes. I am tired of seeing undocumented Bolitas and Paraguas in every single public hospital I had the disgrace of having to go to.

>Smoker with lung cancer?
you should be thanking smokers, considering most of them die before they can collect on social security

>millions of obeses and people who smoke and other shit.

Exactly. Imagine how much worse it would be with socialised health care.

not an argument

if you have socialised healthcare you must have closed borders.
or the NHS happens.
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2559876/2-000-NHS-patients-records-lost-day-two-million-data-breaches-logged-start-2011.html
and that doesnt even take into account the months waiting for healthcare even for cancer treatment while in america yes it would cost you but you would not have to wait and in the BB image in europe mr cancer teacher would have waited 3 years and died on a NHS "watch list" or given the wrong operation.
theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/18/serious-errors-such-as-operating-on-wrong-patient-still-occurring-in-nhs
and when the guardian start bashing leftie policies somethings gone horribly wrong.

It is not efficient.

Basic medical services should not be socialized, but experts areas should be.

t.socialist country

I don't know why I'd want taxes raised on me to create a needless bureaucracy that increases the costs involved with me receiving health services.

>Tell me again what's wrong with socialized healthcare?
It doesn't fix the problem. Pharmaceutical companies charge x10 the base cost for medicine in this country compared to others, and yet you expect the taxpayers to foot that bill? Do you have any idea how much it costs to simply stay in a hospital room for a single night?

If you want to fix the problem, attack it at the source.