Ok you trump-loving cucks, tell me why communism isn't the only logical path?

Ok you trump-loving cucks, tell me why communism isn't the only logical path?

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That's so true. It certainly worked for Russ-

>path
To what?

It is the ultimate endgame. We already know that.

Dictatorship and hunger

Head over to Venezuela to see for yourself. Afterwards, visit Switzerland to see the oppressive horrors of capitalism

Path of human progress

It's the answer if your goal is starvation.

Because it is secular Judaism.

And I fucking hate kikes.

> Implying you will stand a chance during the purge

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These will be produced by tens of thousands.

thats not real communism and the only reason why venezula is in bad shape is BECAUSE OF AMERICAN IMPERALISM!. america put sactions on them and destroy there industry

please at least read a book or two. dipshit

Also, we control the atomic bomb arsenal, the army, the education, the mass media. You don't have a chance.

underrated

Because it doesn't work in real life. It doesn't represent reality, we can see it from all the countries who tried it and failed.

>tell me why communism isn't the only logical path?
>prove a negative

>you need to go back

So what happens if im in communist country and I want a better graphics card in my computer and am willing to work for it, does everyone get the same graphics card? What about the old lady who doesn't need a graphics card, can I have hers?

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Communism was tried many times before and it always results in genocides, a hyper authoritarian government, an impoverished population and starvation.

It's unnatural and unfitting for humans.

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because people are naturally lazy, why work if i can just live for free and mooch off the community. I wouldnt want to work, and if that goes on, there really is no progress we will be stuck in the same age with little advancement. This will not get replies because there is no way to refute this.

communism is a nigger's paradise.

The Great Leap Forward

Hmmmmmm how about you tell us why central planning isn't retarded first?

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Fair enough:
>Economic calculation problem: in a world without money or ways to price resources, how can you make an efficient use of then?
>Dictatorship of the proletariat is a divise enough concept even among commies and it can be used to justify from whatever borderline anarchistic collectivist LGTBQWTF utopia to hardcore Stalinism.
>Wage surplus is a double edged sword: if capitalist benefit is theft, so is public works; how else if not by taking surplus from the workers' labour could the USSR afford to compete in the space race?

And that's only theoretical problems. Don't even get me started on practical ones.

We out number you by a lot and once we seize one nuclear silo your basically all gone because you all live in gated community's.

The logic is that the burden of proof is with you Collapse of CCCP suggest otherwise.

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> Outnumber us
Just like the domestic chicken outnumber humans. You pose no threat to us, we do as we please with you.

> inb4 chicken revolution
Not gonna happen.

>>Economic calculation problem: in a world without money or ways to price resources, how can you make an efficient use of then?

Well we would only abolish money when technology progresses to startrek like levels. In socialism you get people to vote on prices just like they vote with their money now.

>>Dictatorship of the proletariat is a divise enough concept even among commies and it can be used to justify from whatever borderline anarchistic collectivist LGTBQWTF utopia to hardcore Stalinism.

It means the workers are the new ruling class.

>>Wage surplus is a double edged sword: if capitalist benefit is theft, so is public works; how else if not by taking surplus from the workers' labour could the USSR afford to compete in the space race?

The workers would still have to give up some of the value of their labor to society. Even Marx admitted this.

Because every communist regime on earth in history ended with oppressive totalitarian states, gulags, and mass starvation.

so.. its not real communism because it was easily defeated by capitalism? gotcha

>Producing for your lazy ass and terrible genes

naw

ISIS proves that rebel groups can still overturn goverment's even in the current year. The working class would be as vicious as ISIS and a lot bigger.

>producing for your boss instead.
Naw

the answer is that no one here reads history or is intelligent enough to read marx and hegel

Stop eating food

Sure I'll produce for him, if he pays me a wage I deem fair

No because their is still private property and Representative """"democracy""""

If Communism was worthwhile its people wouldnt be so easy to kill.

>every attempt at communism fails before it's even reached it's final stage
>Maxist-Lenninism and other attempts get beat in direct competition with capitalism
>retards keep saying we should give it a go
nice b8 faggot

"From each according to his ability. To each according to his need"

Run this model of society in your head for a minute? What happens after a while? What happens to the capable and what happens to the incapable?

Those who are needy and incapable will basically live for free while the capable and needless slave away for them. Now take into the account that most of humanity is useless and you're basically advocating for the reversal of master/slave relationship where the masters(those capable to be free and make something of themselves) will for some reason agree to become slaves to people who are incapable of anything...

How would that function?

>Yes good classcuck accept the wage I give your or starve to death remember this is voluntary XD

*Helicopters you*

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>trump-loving cucks

okay, go research the words you use in your post and come back when you learn to speak properly and coherently.

Communism can't reach its final stage unless it is world wide.

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ISIS is being bombed by every government with active military. So will be the working class. And ISIS is loosing.

>I should let the government decide how much my work is worth

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>tell me why communism isn't the only logical path?

Because there are many other paths that could achieve very similar benefits.

dumping some marx for you brainlets to attempt to read

this is what education looks like, not watching conspiracy theorists on youtube

in communism, which is the end game of socialism and implies that abundance has been achieved, everything will be manufactured according to people's needs. if 400 people need graphics cards, 400 will be made.

but this can only happen after sufficient technological progress has been made, and after years of socialism

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In communism the government and society blend together.

ISIS is small. The working class would be most of the world.

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ISIS also inherits a long tradition that upholds and codifies rules of warfare and what a soldier ought to be on top of offering an afterlife. All these go in to strengthening the group and making individuals not fear death. A workers revolution would probably lack the same sense of cohesion under similar stressors and there is no promise of an afterlife to which the individual can look forward too, only the promise of being on the right side of history.

Sounds like you're the one claiming communism is superior. Burden of proof is on you. Name one time communism has been successful in a first world country?

Why do you communists love degeneracy, islam and refugees? I wanna know.

>In socialism you get people to vote on prices just like they vote with their money now
Let's ignore the SciFi argument because I still want to take you guys seriously. Not the first time I bumped on the "vote for prices" argument, and the answer is quite simple: how can you ensure voters are making an informed decision and not one motivated by selfish reasons? This is again the main flaw of what the new left has been calling "direct democracy": if I have no idea about a subject, do I still have a right to vote on it? And furthermore, if said subject is a really complex one that requires years of education about a very specific field (ie. price of certain materials in the medical field), is the average worker still entitled to his vote?
>It means the workers are the new ruling class.
Yeah, but via comrade Stalin or via some sort or vaguely defined assembly of equals using one man, one vote? Don't dodge the question, comrade.
>The workers would still have to give up some of the value of their labor to society.
Then any capitalist is now able to justify corporation benefits by explaining the important role that companies and trade play in modern capitalist society rendering the wage surplus argument even more dead than it already is. Surplus is theft or it isn't theft. At least anarchists get this right, even though they are a bunch of retards.

>i don't know what communism is and am too lazy to read about it: the post

>Economic calculation problem: in a world without money or ways to price resources, how can you make an efficient use of then?

central planning according to the collective's needs

>Dictatorship of the proletariat is a divise enough concept even among commies and it can be used to justify from whatever borderline anarchistic collectivist LGTBQWTF utopia to hardcore Stalinism.

anarchism and socialism are 2 different ideologies, the only thing they share is the end goal of communism

>Wage surplus is a double edged sword: if capitalist benefit is theft, so is public works; how else if not by taking surplus from the workers' labour could the USSR afford to compete in the space race?

except that in the 2nd case worker's decide how much surplus value should be allocated where, instead of it being exploited by capitalists. you'd know this if you had read marx

>i should let a collective of fellow workers decide how much my work is worth

>or i should let my boss steal my work's worth and give me a fraction of it

what a tough decision

human progress is a meme started by the Whigs and has no bearing on reality.

I hate how commies think the 'working class' is on their side.

I thought it was all rural and suburban retards (aka the working class) that voted Trump?

> ISIS is small
And that's why we still respect "human rights". Once a bigger threat comes a long all of those will go down the gutter and chemical, biological and atomic weapons and their research will go back into play. With morals in the trash bin, we will also be able to clone indoctrinated soldiers for our cause and dispose of them once the danger is eliminated.

Also, the research of unmanned weapons and military vehicles is still in its infancy, and time is on our favor.

And the workers won't rebel in a unified way, all across the globe, they will rebel in certain countries and will be destroyed one by one.

We will divide you by race, by religion, by ethnicity, by interests, by every social variable imaginable.

>Why do you communists love degeneracy
there is no such thing, degeneracy is a term coined by nazis and moralist in nature. communism denounces moralism as a tool of the bourgeoisie

>islam

no communist loves islam. anyone who says they do, aren't communists

>and refugees?

because they're fellow proletarians that got displaced from their homes due to nato interventions in the region

Because it requires my consent and you don't have that. You will get a face full of lead before you get me to submit to your totalitarian bullshit.

Oh hey, 2 posts by this ID. I know this formula. This is a shill slide thread.

This is what it leads to.

>I hate how commies think the 'working class' is on their side.

they don't. they fight for the proletariat, they don't assume the proletariat is on their side. it won't be until conditions are much shittier than they are now, my guess is that the global revolution will occur once porky perfects full automation in the production process

>human progress
To what?

Automation in military included, proley.

because post scarcity will not be a thing for a few millenia

Also, pay debts.

How high do you have to be for this to make any form of coherent sense?

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I assume you were replying to my post, Greekbro!

>central planning according to the collective's needs
How. Do you realise the insane amount of information needed to coordinate who needs what, where and how much on a daily basis? This is why you saw lines of people waiting for bread in Communist countries. Now, of course, you'll theorise some sort of all-knowing AI to salvage what it's, at its core, a faulty theory.

>anarchism and socialism are 2 different ideologies, the only thing they share is the end goal of communism
Sure, and again: what do you understand by dictatorship of the proletariat. Because I assure you it couldn't be more different that what other commies think it means.

>except that in the 2nd case worker's decide how much surplus value should be allocated where
This connects with my second post, which I see you replied to as well in >i should let a collective of fellow workers decide how much my work is worth
Again, how do they know. You might think this is a non issue, but let me give you an example that will surely sound familiar: IT expertise. No doubt you're probably the IT guy for your immediate family and even friends of your family. You probably (like I do) help them for free, but what would happen if I were to ask them for a compensation? Now, to them I only stay 20 minutes before the screen, but you and I know it takes years of experience and knowledge to do some computer stuff. They just don't know, yet you expect them to vote fairly.

Fucking kke pig, you are not greek. You disgrace our homeland with that ridiculous ideology

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Anyone that has any questions about communism or leftist ideology and is not too emotionally invested in his world view to consider that he's been duped, feel free to ask

I'll start with the big one that most people here are too uneducated to know: liberalism is right wing ideology, both conservatism and liberalism stem from classical liberalism. conservatism in brittain was called conservative liberalism, while what you call "liberalism" is actually neoliberalism, which stems from social liberalism

The Cultural Revolution

University has started in many places around the world, and the local Communist/Marxist revolutionary groups have been recruiting freshmen.

They are here, on Sup Forums, as part of their subversion strategy, because many college age people are on here, and they are committed to full spectrum ideological subversion/psychological warfare.

What can you, as a patriot do?

Simple.

These groups are small, weak, and loud. They consist of less than 1% of the entire population at any given time. They work in the darkness, and they flee from the light. Rip down their propaganda and bin it. Eventually they will stop posting it. It costs them money to print up so many flyers.

In a non-democratic country it takes 1% of the population to be communists to start a revolution. But those are in countries that have never experienced democracy and free markets. Communism only took root in countries that never had a democratic republic. But it only needs good patriots to do nothing for the vile weed of marxism to take root.

Communism is cancer

>Drumpfniggers
>working class

The working class = illegal Mexicans

Guess who they would have voted for if they could.

But Lithuanians would have voted Trump and we are the working class. What would you say to that?

Because humans arnt capable of being nice and sharing. Youre so inbred youre beyond retarded. Dont expect anything less from england though

the military are also proles

you have to be intelligent user. most people here think they're intelligent, but they actually aren't. including you apparently

>How. Do you realise the insane amount of information needed to coordinate who needs what, where and how much on a daily basis? This is why you saw lines of people waiting for bread in Communist countries. Now, of course, you'll theorise some sort of all-knowing AI to salvage what it's, at its core, a faulty theory.

it's not hard at all, there are hard numbers on the consumption of everything nowdays. and again communism equals post-scarcity, communism and socialism are 2 different modes of production. are you arguing against socialism or communism or what?

>Sure, and again: what do you understand by dictatorship of the proletariat. Because I assure you it couldn't be more different that what other commies think it means.

dictatorship of the proletariat is a socialist term. it means a state that's controlled by the proletariat through the party and the soviets, and works in the interest of the proletariat by oppressing the bourgeoisie and combating bourgeoisie ideology

>Again, how do they know. You might think this is a non issue, but let me give you an example that will surely sound familiar: IT expertise. No doubt you're probably the IT guy for your immediate family and even friends of your family. You probably (like I do) help them for free, but what would happen if I were to ask them for a compensation? Now, to them I only stay 20 minutes before the screen, but you and I know it takes years of experience and knowledge to do some computer stuff. They just don't know, yet you expect them to vote fairly.

again you have to specify if you're talking about communism or socialism. ill reply for the socialist mode of production, because i assume that's what you're referring to. post limit, ill cont

>liberalism is right wing ideology
No it is not. Connotations of words change over time. You sound like the most unfun person to be around by the way.

Lack of social darwinism

Mankind stagnates as we allow the retarded untermench to feed off government support and breed.

And military will be last to be defunded.
They will be fired gradually and only when we are sure the military automation is sufficient to protect our assets.

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Because Id ather be on my computer i bought with my own money i earned in a job than starve like a peasant with no hope

>you have to be intelligent user. most people here think they're intelligent, but they actually aren't. including you apparently

I can read almost anything but I do admit Marx has been impossible for me to read. Maybe I'm just immune since my parents actually experienced socialism

What work do Lithuanians do?

Mostly Mexican jobs, but in Spain instead. Also, clean toilets in UK.