We all now how much ((they)) hate farmers,its a worst nightmare for them if a herd adapts the culture of farming,that's why we have these breeding grounds known as school,you are too busy studying about the power house of cell meanwhile ignoring the most important skill which keeps the humanity hanging.
Le me belonging to a third world nation,I can't get a good family until I move to the outskirts and setup skills like farming,practice shooting,Karate etc.
Farmers here have no regulation on the chemicals,they can simply buy from market and the Govt people don't give a fuck about the chemicals ingested in those vegetables.
Here is a video on the sub-humans who control our farming sectors,these fuckers have sub level IQ,they don't give a fuck about health of others,since there is a middleman involved.
Maybe anything because your soil is so rich from the compose of a billion street shutters.
Justin Ortiz
Shut the fuck up leaf,five of your siblings can't match with my overflowing testosterone.
Alexander Phillips
IN
Justin Young
that's not how it works or else every supermart in your country would have been a mini jungle book simulator.
Jonathan Diaz
POO
Ryder Turner
LOO
Ryder Howard
IN
Juan Garcia
DESIGNATED
Easton Sullivan
LOO
Ryan Myers
you still have subsistence farming which really shows are backwards you are
Ian Brown
They don't even have plumbing
Juan Davis
Being able to sustain yourself is the most redpilled skill you can have. To know some basics about farming and hunting is always useful.
And it's a great hobby. You don't have to be a farmer, just get a nice big garden and grow some things yourself.
Isaac Perez
We all know how well the end of subsistence farming worked out for China.
The primary focus of a farmer should always be to grow enough to feed himself and his family. So your country won't run into some food crisis and the farmer will still be motivated to have as much surplus as possible, so that he can sell it and buy other things he needs.
Nicholas Long
I think I've been to this place. It's in Peru right?
Also, putting crap into your fields will weaken or kill your neighbours and fellow citizens. How could this be redpilled?
Lincoln Ward
> kill your neighbours and fellow citizens > not redpilled
Julian Edwards
farmers should only focus on 1 crop or animal and specialize on it meaning maximum output then using the money from that to buy his needs
Evan Anderson
> should only focus on 1 crop or animal and specialize on it Hello Mao, you want to starve 45 million people again?
Noah Wood
That works well in an inflation crisis I bet.
Justin Gutierrez
Farmer here. At least I know what I eat and the last time I met a doctor it was 8 years ago with a broken hand. Enjoy your short life lifespan, enjoy being sick and weak, enjoy your flacid boner, enjoy being the puppet of the food industry, urban faggot.
Christian Perez
it works wonders for New Zealand
Easton Garcia
Yes, I guessed as much. Good for you mate, but here it's different, population density is pretty high, land and food prices are really high. Our farmers are in deep shit usually, if they're trying to make a living out of it.
Justin Howard
>Our farmers are in deep shit usually, thats because you still want to have small holdings of traditional farmers as a lifestyle instead of 300 acre business operations. and your farmers are spoiled while ours had all subsidies abolished and all food tariffs removed meaning they must face competition or stop farming
Benjamin Brooks
You are reinforcing the OP's comments regarding iq.
The vast majority of farmers die earlier on average, compared to the general populace.
Regardless of whether death is a result of personal health or not, you are flat out mistaken in thinking you will live longer.
Dylan Sullivan
> New Zealand > having 17.5 people per km2 Even if you waste 90% of your productive land, you will still have enough to feed your people.
You can't just grow one single kind of crop on your whole land every year again. The soil will lose it's fertility and your output will get less every year.... and if inflations hits you, you will be fucked, because you can't just switch to some other thing from one day to another. You will be forced to grow the (now) useless shit for another year.
...but of course, if you have a shitton of land you can waste, like in New Zealand, you can do that and it will be the cheapest way of farming.
Liam Hall
>Even if you waste 90% of your productive land, you will still have enough to feed your people. Britian does not have enough land to feed there so they just import it and they are doing fine
> and if inflations hits you, you will be fucked inflation is legally kept down by the reserve bank and it is there only commitment
>You can't just grow one single kind of crop on your whole land every year again. People grow only Kiwifruit on their orchards for 20 years and are going fine
Brandon Lewis
>thats because you still want to have small holdings You just don't get it that if you have a high population density, you have to use your land more efficient?
Of course it's cheaper when you just grow one single thing! But when land is rare, you have to grow the thing with the highest output.... and this is different from area to area... and it even changes from one year to another. So if you want to use your land efficiently, every farmer needs to know how to grow everything, so that he can adapt if the market or the land changes.
Farming in New Zealand is inefficient as fuck. Compared to the amount of land you have, your output is shit.
John Green
>Farming in New Zealand is inefficient as fuck. >Compared to the amount of land you have, your output is shit. I don't know about that m8 we are smash global markets compared to our size
>inflation is legally kept down by the reserve bank and it is there only commitment I mean inflation of the one specific thing the farmer is growing! If he is growing wine, but the weather for wine is shitty for one year, he will suddenly have 70% less output and he will immediately be bankrupt.
>Britian does not have enough land to feed there so they just import it and they are doing fine And farmers in Britain are more efficient with their land than some sheep-farmers in New Zealand.
>People grow only Kiwifruit on their orchards for 20 years and are going fine > look at this one specific product which is not killing the soil ok Sorry, but it is the most basic knowledge about farming that if you grow one specific thing every year at one specific land, that the output will get less. For some products it is of course less extreme than for others. Not everyone can grow Kiwi.
Jason Rodriguez
>If he is growing wine, but the weather for wine is shitty for one year, he will suddenly have 70% less output and he will immediately be bankrupt. Yes and the low dairy prices have bankrupted many farmers here but this is what a market economy is and farmers should be treated no different to a manufacturer if his prices drop
>And farmers in Britain are more efficient with their land than some sheep-farmers in New Zealand. not true because they do not have economies of scale and mostly work on a small amount of land which they still rent
Brayden Nelson
>I don't know about that m8 we are smash global markets compared to our size Compared to your size and your population density, you have shitty farmers.
>So France is right behind you, but they have less useable land with a 10 times higher population density. >It seems like the farming in France is way more advanced than in New Zealand. we have only about 50,000 farmers creating the same output as the millions of french farmers
>And again, the UK right behind you and Australia. But they have less land and a population density which is 15 times higher than yours what are you talking about the UK and Australia have far more land than New Zealand and have far more people that they can have to work on the land
Leo Kelly
>Yes and the low dairy prices have bankrupted many farmers here but this is what a market economy is and farmers should be treated no different to a manufacturer if his prices drop Yes, they go bankrupt, and the farmes who know how to grow more than just one thing don't go bankrupt, thats why in Europe there is no bullshit "just one thing per farmer" farming. But in New Zealand they can also survive by just growing more... because they have a shitton of land, they can just waste it.
>not true because they do not have economies of scale and mostly work on a small amount of land which they still rent Like i said before, your economy of scale is bullshit, because when China tried it they killed 45 million people and the small output of the farmers in New Zealand compared to the size of their land proves it. Your economie of scale somehow just works in countries with a very very low population density.
Kayden Hernandez
>China tried it they killed 45 million people no china killed 45 million people because it was run by the state and not the market
>because they have a shitton of land, they can just waste it. they can't because the average farmer would have taken out a loan of 1-3 million dollars for there farm. also only about 40% of land in NZ can even be used for farming
Justin Collins
>we have only about 50,000 farmers creating the same output as the millions of french farmers > muh, we have less farms, but one farmer has 100 employees Shouldn't you count output per squaremeter of useable land? Because it seems like your farmers are very shitty. They are very specialised, but they produce less per square meter than France?
>what are you talking about the UK and Australia have far more land than New Zealand and have far more people that they can have to work on the land Yes, and Australia has your "farming of scale" too. > more people who work on the land means more output ok, now you are being stupid The UK as 255 people per km2, you have 17. And the soil in the UK is more shitty than yours. And the UK is smaller than New Zealand. But they are still just 2 places behind you.
Nolan Lewis
Auvergnat here. You know this is kind of bullshit, right ? You may get less cucked by the food industry, but you get fucked by the pesticides
Alexander Scott
Nope, in French there's a difference between fermier and agriculteur, I own a farm but it's not my job. I'm not drowning in pesticides, I'm not indebted for 3 generations and I won't commit suicide if it's what you were thinking about. I just have a big garden, bees, chickens, fruits etc...
Levi Johnson
1 man managing 300 acres on his own is more impressive than 1 managing only 5 acres on his own
Owen Sanders
>no china killed 45 million people because it was run by the state and not the market Like i explaind before, the market would force the farmer to be able to grow more than one thing. Because every specialised farmer would die if there is one year of bad weather for his specific product or if inflation hits it. OR if you are New Zealand and you can waste all of your land, you can just grow more, but thats not the case in 99,9% of cases.
The state forced the farmers to have the same farming as New Zealand... but this doesn't work for China, because of their population density.
>they can't because the average farmer would have taken out a loan of 1-3 million dollars for there farm. also only about 40% of land in NZ can even be used for farming So what? The price of the land can't be higher than what you produce on it in the long term. Thats not how the market works.
Gabriel Richardson
> not knowing what a tractor is > not knowing that most farms in Europe just have 3 or 4 people, while the "1 person" in New Zealand has 100 employees.
Oliver Mitchell
>The state forced the farmers to have the same farming as New Zealand no its not in NZ a farm is a business which you run and you specialize only in your field for example in industry a car maker does not also make trains
Adam Walker
>while the "1 person" in New Zealand has 100 employees. thats bullshit no one has any employees all farms in NZ are family units only
Charles Perry
Australian farmers are the best in the world by far.
Our efficiency is unmatched by anyone, and we use hardly any genetically modified crops, chemicals, fertilisers, etc. All natural round here.
You don't know about farming in the new world, kid.
Because we have so much land corporate farming is actually less common. Family farms are actually viable here and that's without any subsidies or tariffs whatsoever (there are huge subsidies in the EU).
We produce food without even really trying. We don't use fertiliser, we don't need subsidies. But Australia could triple our agricultural production overnight by simply damming a few rivers in northern Queensland and using them to irrigate land further West. Without even trying we can turn literally tens of millions of hectares of land, bigger than many European nations, into productive farming land. It just needs a little bit of investment, and we will turn on that tap when we need to.
Julian Hughes
Israeli farmers.
Luis Ortiz
They specialize in New Zealand because they are lazy. And you can see it on their shitty output per square meter.
To just use more of your land is of course easier than to be able to grow many different things. They don't have to be efficient with their land, because they have enough. So "the market" works different in New Zealand than in Europe or China or anywhere else.
China forced their farmers to do the same thing as your farmers.... and 45 million people died. In the free market, the farmers would just grow many different things and would be able to survive and to feed the people.
If China would have had a population density as low as New Zealand, the government wouldn't need to force to farmers to specialize, because they would do it anyway, because it's easier. But land is rare, so they have to be efficient, so they can't be shitty like the sheep farmers in New Zealand.
Parker Jenkins
> farming in the new world >Because we have so much land corporate farming is actually less common kek You don't really believe this, do you? Aren't the burgers and aussies always talking about how great great their big corporate farming is? ;)
Thomas Morris
I've never heard any Australian say anything like that.
Corporate farming is almost non existent here.
You must understand it's normal for a farming family to own and farm 10,000 hectare plots here. In Austria the equivalent plot would be more like 40 hectares.
Bentley Carter
>shitty output per square meter. give me a source on that m8
>They don't have to be efficient with their land, because they have enough. farmers are not bloody doing this for the lifestyle they are farming because its a business and they squeeze every last dollar they can get out of there land.
this is not Europe where you get to play farmer while the the EU gives you subsides and protects you from actually competition
Samuel Gutierrez
is this supposed to be a joke?
Gavin Taylor
Google the French farmer suicide rate, then kys.
Dylan Collins
>give me a source on that m8 i always compared you to France and the UK in the postings above. Do we really have to go in circles?
> farmers in New Zealand > they squeeze every last dollar they can get out of there land. Sorry mate, but i visited your country, and your farmers are not at all using all available resources. As soon as some land isn't perfectly suitable for your sheeps or something other of the few things you produce, your farmers are ignoring it and don't use it at all. oh… wait… right… one farmer just produces one thing, so if he has some land which isn't suitable for this one specific thing, he won't do anything with it.
btw., i got this wrong: >So France is right behind you, but they have less useable land with a 10 times higher population density. >It seems like the farming in France is way more advanced than in New Zealand. Your linked article actually says that France and Germany produce more milk than the farmers in NewZealand.
Jeremiah Ramirez
>France and Germany produce more milk than the farmers in NewZealand yeah because they are larger in both pop and land
Connor White
I'm not a "farmer" per se but I grow some things in my backyard. Cilantro, oranges, coffee beans, kumquats, sweet potatoes and green onions. I also have a small beefarm that I harvest honey from.
It's pretty decent. I like growing food. Something about it makes you feel really good inside, it's almost like a drug. I used to eat all sorts of processed shit and bought all my vegetables from supermarkets, then sometime two years ago I switched and have been getting all my meats, cheeses and vegetables from local farmers' markets here in Florida. Haven't regretted it since.
Nathan Smith
We grow kumquats at our property too. Tasty little buggers.
Ryder Cruz
I'm thinking of doing this myself. Is it difficult to maintain? Costs? Good output?
Liam Perry
Mwahaha, learn to read a thread
Jackson Anderson
But you said that your farmers want to maximize profit and use everything which is available? So a higher population has to be negative on the output, right? Because they use land. And Germany has 20 times more people than New Zealand and they need 20 times more land just to life. And the soil is worse.... they even have parts of the alps... that's an environment where every single farmer from New Zealand wouldn't even think about doing something productive with it.
If you would remove the area of the Alps from Germany, they have nearly the same amount of land than New Zealand. But they don't have your "farming of scale" and they produce way more milk than you. They are more effective.
How is this possible, if your form of farming (which killed 45 million people in China) is superior?
Michael Reed
GO HERE
Ignore all the "pole shift" bullshit, it has PDFs on everything you will need. Farming, generators, sanitation, radio etc pssurvival.com/index_complete.htm
Also try to get a copy of CD3WD. It stopped a few years back but it should be able to give you what you need en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD3WD
>CD3WD was a project that focused on assisting in third world development by making technical documents and other relevant information easily available to all people. Created by Alex Weir in 2003,[1] the concept was to share useful DIY guides and technical information for free using CDs. The name CD3WD comes from "CD for the Third World Development". In later versions of the project the archive was distributed on DVD. The last version that is available online (2012 version) was a total of 6 DVDs (core set) and 32 DVDs of extra educational content.
>they produce way more milk than you. they are subsided
> if your form of farming (which killed 45 million people in China) is superior? once again NZ is a market economy with no government controls on farming and we have not had our own famines
Jack Perry
thinking of going into horticulture desu lads getting into hydroponics or some shit
Chase Gonzalez
>they are subsided As i said before, if your farmers use their resources to their full extent, then the land is the limit. Not the amount of workers.
And if they don't get government money, wouldn't this mean that they need to work and produce MORE to be able to life?
Just accept it that farmes in a country with such a low population density and such good soil like New Zealand just don't have to be as productive as European farmers in order to compete. I visited your country and i am sure that you could double your production, if you would use your land as effective as European farmers. Your farmers don't even use most of thair land.
Being a farmer in New Zealand is Easy Mode. You just have to produce one thing and you don't even care if the land is suitable for this one thing or not.... because if it doesn't work, you just use the rest of you big land and ignore this part. While in Europe farmers are using every square meter, even in the alps.
Blake Russell
It's actually one of the easiest things in the world to maintain if you live in the right place. Me, I'm in southern Florida, so the soil, sunlight and temperature ranges are really great here. They pretty much do all the work themselves, you just have to seed and water occasionally.
As for costs, none of this cost me more than $30 overall except the bee farm. The bee farm was the most expensive thing, but that's because I had to buy a suit and a whole setup with it, which was about $200 overall. But the bee farm is absolutely the easiest thing to maintain, you literally just let them fly around and do their thing, the queen pumps out tons of drones. Every month or so you can harvest enough honey to fill up a small jar.
Output wise, I'm not a subsistence farmer so I just grow these things to supplement some meals. I get good yields on everything except the coffee beans, which are a pain in the ass because they take forever to fruit. With the bees I got 26 pounds last year of fresh honey from one hive.
Owen Perez
Is this a meme? Can someone explain me this?
Jaxon Hill
Stupid motherfucker, you can't raise just cows. You need cow feed. And you can't give them just corn. They need a balanced diet. So you need at least corn and hay plus some other grains. Focusing on one type would work, but not specific animal or crop. Would you want a garden of nothing but fucking tomatoes? No, you wouldn't, you would get fucking sick of canned tomatoes.
Jaxon Hughes
m8 farmers specialize dairy farmers don't grow anything else except keeping the pasture green enough and making sure it is irrigated
Jaxson Ward
You irrigate a pasture? Have fun rounding those stupid fuckers up in a mud hole. I bet you backwards fuckers still use stanchions. You can't feed dairy cows only grass, they need a high energy diet if you want more than 10# cows.
Liam Scott
>You can't feed dairy cows only grass, just watch us mate
Leo Evans
I'll watch you wonder why your production is measured in ounces not pounds.
Easton Scott
You motherfuckers need to learn four field crop rotation
Jackson Williams
its measured in KGs mate
Dominic Barnes
Regardless, if you are really irrigating pastures and giving them nothing but grass then you suck at what you do. Fucking city people.
Jace Reed
You should listen to
Grayson Anderson
Whoops, other way around.
What is the average production off this magical grass only diet? What breed of cow?
Juan Price
good on ya
>there are people who think farms aren't cool
Elijah White
You tell him.
Brody Bailey
How fucked up do you have to be to not understand this is where you food comes from?
This is industrial farming.
Elijah Watson
>arguing with retards who don't know what grass fed beef is >arguing with retards who don't know about pastures
Landon Gutierrez
A field of oats or alfalfa is still grass, dumbass.
Thomas Fisher
>What is the average production off this magical grass only diet? What breed of cow? Frisians Cows with an average of 4,235 litres of milk per year or 377 KGs of milk solids
Jeremiah Williams
>tfw no farmer's daughter gf
Jackson Sanders
Beef and dairy have different nutritional requirements.
Corn is also technically in the grass family, but you don't fucking pasture cows on it.
You yourself are not a farmer are you? If you ask a farmer what his production is you usually get the daily. Unless you guys do things that differently, it sounds like a googled stat. For example, we have 1200 milking Holstein with ~90,000# a day production at around 100,000 sc.
Mason Wright
i'm not a farmer i'm a economist
Justin Myers
>Corn is also technically in the grass family, but you don't fucking pasture cows on it. you do pasture cows over a field of alfalfa or oats.
i unironically support that photo. we should force breed whites and deport the fucking niggers.
Nolan Brown
I have only ever seen that done when expanding a pasture permanently. Why would you do that, they would destroy the crop? It would be a waste of seed and time.
Blake Rogers
Pastures aren't wild or natural. If managed well they can be inexpensive.
Pastures don't just happen.
Jack Myers
>Too bad nobody cares about pajeet's opinion but only screech "poo in loo".
Bentley Miller
USA doesn't import poo in loo food.
So poo in loo poisoning themselves with raid is totally okay because it is an internal concern. Just like how gay rights activists don't care when muslims throw gays off tall buildings.
Austin Morris
>for example in industry a car maker does not also make trains They don't just make cars in most cases.
Isaac Campbell
I don't know about Australia but the Kiwis use astronomical amounts of fertiliser.
Colton Turner
what car manufacturing plant also makes things other than cars then
Jack Wright
Well I'll be damned, it's an intelligent poo in loo.
Jace Scott
>economist There are few labels more damning than that.
Evan Lee
>moving goalposts You said business, or "maker", not factory. That's like saying find me a farm that grows multiple crops in one field. Aside from specialty vehicles I'm actually struggling to think of an example of one that doesn't diversify manufacturing.
