Redpill me on Vietnam

Redpill me on Vietnam.

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here is a redpill. there was never a formal declaration of war from the US Congress. this makes the war an illegal conflict.
also, the event that kicked off the war, the Gulf of Tonkin incident was likely staged.

also, an insane amount of heroin was produced in Vietnam. Ever heard the theory that the CIA sells drugs to fund its black operations type stuff? well there ya go, I think they were selling drugs out of Vietnam, same with Afghanistan.

LBJ LIED!!! The Gulf of Tonkin incident was a false flag op.

There is no Vietnam. The entire country is an elaborate ruse. It doesn't exist whatsoever. Just a large body of water.

>censoring fuck

Pussy.

Also,

>taking a very butthurt british man's malformed opinion from a fucking comic book on the US and the Vietnam war as historical facts

Fag.

I believe you.

Didn't taliban ban poppies in the '99 and afghani heroin exports dipped pretty hard next year, 9/11 was year after that. pretty interesting sequence of events that was.

Literal redpill.

>TL;DR - LBJ created an clearly unwinnable war, but the joint Chiefs were too much asskissing pussies to tell him.

the vietcong built a large system of tunnels. some of these are now open for tourists and have been dug wider to fit fat westerners.

Where's this from?

watchmen you fucking faggot. go brush your teeth.

it's not the tourist who's too small
the chinklet is too small

Rude.

uhh totally simlpified.

I just took a senior level class on the Vietnam war. the conflict honestly began in the 1800's.

pretty complex.

this gook can probably verify this. trang sisters that killed themselves. chinese. fucking french. japs. chinese. they have been invaded forever.
so specify what you want to be redpilled about you little faggot.

what type of cancer are you?

What redpill do you want? When politicians run a war, we lose. It's literally the reason the military gets behind Trump's statement that we 'don't fight to win anymore...'

There isnt even much to redpill on, even bluepills understand that vietnam was dumb and was just american aggression.

Vietnam considers you to be western FYI.

please stop user you're hurting my feelings.

so?

United States fighting Russia and China with some primitive civilization as the pawns.

An example of why you never engage in war you don't intend to win and with anything less than overwhelming power.

youtube.com/watch?v=GGq_gRMl-x0

Sort of like how your asshole has been dug wider by Ahmed.

>the event that kicked off the war, the Gulf of Tonkin incident was likely staged.

the man who lied to start that incident was the father of one of the more popular pop stars of that era

at the start of the war a disproportionate number of casualties were either african of protestant, so many that people protested and eventually the numbers went down,

a friend told me, they were under orders to fire upon a position adjacent to a location held by US troops but who were divided into platoons based on race, so the Italian platoons were being ordered to fire upon the black platoons every day

ethnic cleansing American style

which was part of the purpose of the whole thing, that and profiteering on military sales, orders not to destroy any enemy facilities until they were operational, because otherwise they would not be paid for,

we had to let our guys risk death so people arming both sides of the conflict could profit and profit was the whole point of the thing

which was the main reason Kennedy was shot, he wanted to end the war quickly and it wouldn't cost as much, then all the people who invested in the war making a lot of money would have gone broke

and ethnic cleansing

America went to southeast asia to aid south vietnam's against north vietnam aggresion under the domino theory, that if one country fell to communist the neighboring countries would follow. Despite the popular representationas in the media of vietnam being a nightmare militarily speaking US BTFO soviet and chinese backed north vietnam. However at home the democrat senate managed to defund and later demobilize the operation, letting south vietnam fend north by themselves. Without US aid they quickly collapsed to the north who wa still chinese and soviet backed. Shortly after Laos and Cambodia fell to commies proven the domino theory correct.

another goal was protecting and developing the area for opium production, the golden triangle, gold for the money that China accepts for their opium, you can only buy opium with gold in Asia, triangle because it was a triangle shaped area of opium production, which eventually became a crescent

Saging for Obamagate

>I just took a senior level class on the Vietnam war. the conflict honestly began in the 1800's.
>pretty complex.
This pizza knows his shit.

Finally a spic with brains.

he faked his death and never played a chord of music or sang a note of verse

Quick rundown:
>some folks born made to wave flag
>said folks are red, white, also blue
>band plays hail to the chief
>aforementioned folks point cannon at you

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There IS a Vietnam.

We in the west could learn a thing or 2 from their nationalism.

The US came here to stop Communism. Then, the social revolution of the 1960s happened, combined with the emergence of TV news, and American public opinion quickly turned against the war.

The US was doing well in the war, then they pulled out due to pressure from their own citizens. They told the South Vietnamese government: "Hey, you're doing fine. If you need help, we'll come back and beat back the northern communists again". Three years later, the north was knocking on Saigon's door. The South needed help, but the US turned a deaf ear and the country was reunified under Communist rule. Also, Cambodia and Laos happened too.

40 years later, we're basically a capitalist country.

USA got fucked and rightfully so

So it was basically a giant, useless, horrific waste of time from our end and yours, too?

Jesuits.

French Legion was cornered on a Fort Dien Bien Phu positionned to cut enemy logistic lines. A clever move to stop chinese interference, we didn't expect the gook to carry artillery in mountain and thus get our troops trapped.

US refused to nuke Dien Bien Phu when we asked them because they wanted us to loose, like they wanted us to loose all our colonies to replace French influence by neo-colonialism investors.

They thought they could manage the rebellion when we couldn't.

Big mistake.

>medpack
>having an opinion on ANY war

Be a good boy now and go make some watches

Nationalism here is in decline. There have been riots in the South for the past 2 years, protesting the policies coming from Hanoi. The South hates the north, the north doesn't give a shit.

I love Vietnam, it's a great place to live. But not everyone is as gung-ho about the country as you seem to think.

Yea breddy much. Fucked up Laos and Cambodia though. And the 1970s and 80s were pretty rough for us too.

lol. Ho Chi Minh utlizied nationalist sentiment to push his communist agenda. but in all honesty he wouldve taken support for everyone. He actually asked the US for support a bunch of times before he took china and russia's shit.

if the us would've back him and his nationalistic sentiment it would've been better.

> LBJ gets America into a war for little reason
> Nixon gets all the blame for the disaster that it became

yeah. because french colonialism would never actually worked. but y'all failed because you underestimated the gook's big quads.

It was our best colony.

Come on back and visit, the country is beautiful. Plenty of Frenchmen live here, I've got a housemate from Toulouse and one from Nantes.

I lived for over 3 years around Hanoi: Dong Anh.

I have seen the differences between HMC and Hanoi.

You are right, but i goddamn love Hanoian people.

the United Staes was in Vietnam since Roosevelt. then eisenhower. then kennedy. then johnson. read your history.

gib bak l'Indochine et le Cochinchine

>burgers use false flag to justify intervention
>war is used to secure drug trade for the CIA and money for the MIC
>US follows their military tradition of being shit at war and leaves

I live in Hanoi too, it's completely superior to HCMC. I'd say it's in my top-3 favorite cities I've ever visited.

youtube.com/watch?v=eBwhKC2pvWg

we should meet up. I'm going back in 5 or 6 weeks.
restaurant Bia Minh in old quarter?

HEY HEY LBJ HOW MANY KIDS DID YOU KILL TODAY

My dad said this was something chanted a lot at the time.

Well, Vietnam is on my top-list of countries to visit once I'm wealthy enough, Ho Chi Minh City and Hanoi sure seem to be beautiful cities.

It's cool. If you come, make sure you leave the cities, that's my biggest piece of advice. Go to Sapa, go to Halong Bay, go to Hoi An, do the touristy shit. Don't worry about the big cities. HCMC is basically just a worse Bangkok.

The Jews helped the gommie gooks

americans died for cucked french fags and michelin rubber

>tfw you realize the jews ARE the commie gooks

true dat

Lol faggot !!

Eddie (((ADAMS)))

I am quite impressed by the gooktunnels.

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SINK
THE
CHINKS

How it started

>1911 (the year of the holy handgun of John Moses Browning), Ho Chi Minh applies to the French Colonial Administrative School
>His dad had been dismissed from a position so he wouldn't get a scholarship and couldn't afford it
>He decides to travel the world, ends up getting educated in France by Socialists 1919-1923. Formally petitions Woodrow Wilson to end French rule of Vietnam. Wilson says "fuck off."
>He travels the world and eventually goes to China, the arch-nemesis of every Southeast Asian nation
>Japan occupies Indochina (Vietnam, Cambodia, etc.) during WWII
>He contacts OSS (pre-CIA) during WWII and provides intel. His troops get trained by OSS
>After the war he asks Truman to support Vietnamese independence. Truman doesn't bother to respond
>He meets David Ben-Gurion and offers him a home in Vietnam in 1946 but the jew said "nah, we'll just bulldoze palestine"
>While Ho Chi Minh was away, the communist nationalists imprisoned and purged the other nationalists
>1945 sees the start of street violence against enemies of the communists
>Viet Minh collaborate with French to massacre other Vietnamese nationalists
>1950 Ho meets with Stalin and Mao, agree to be Chinese puppet state essentially
>1954 the war against the French begins

TL;DR: France would still be running Vietnam if they let this gook have a scholarship and become a junior level colonial administrator.

T:DR: If the US told France to stop being a bitch, Vietnam would have been a neutral independent state for a while until China took them over again like they always do.

Lived their , don't get massages not thailand , people are awesome and friendly , don't mind americans at all , Be Respectful !, it is a hard country to find goods so bring it with you . Food is delicious , mopeds are dangerous , Pho is tight , WOMEN ARE THE MOST GORGEOUS IN ASIA , but they will fuck you up so be polite again vietnam is not Thai land !

>le tourism department of Vietnam appears in Vietnam thread with a proxy

Also not publicly but THEY ALSO HATE THE CHINESE , I'm a hard core Trumper and Vietnam was good to me , Fuck the Government and the party because its the most corrupt and inefficent god awful mess to do business, But culture and society are amazingly rich and gracious people. Young culture is very cool too and interesting . Love the arts and everyone sings, instruments painting something. Deep people

>TFW ONE OF MY DIASPORA GRANDPARENTS FOUGHT IN THIS WAR
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Nick Fury podcast when?

Seems legit, I'll believe it.

Gravel roads , moonshine , tubing down the river but remembering to bring a trash bag for the empties and cigaret butts ,fishing licenses at walmart , hang a deer upside down and cut its throat to get the blood out of the body , American enough ?

P.S. The best kept secret you can smoke weed any fucking where you want that isn't operated by white westerners. Carful when buying it tho get a good trustworthy friend and he will know a guy . Coffee is amazing and even better with a fat spliff next to a buzzy AF road of mopeds in the morning in Hanoi around the Hoam Kiem lake .

military industrial complex fabricated a war, american military won said war, jewish media fabricated a loss and used it as a pretense to start a cultural war for their commie masters.

japs were occupying indochina, they knew they were losing, they appointed viet nationalists in many administrative posts to trigger a wave of nationalism, after that they surrendered to the allied forces, their plan was a success we know what happened next

Every american that died in vietnam was indirectly killed by a jap

>everybody and their grandma knows about Mỹ Lai
>hardly anyone knows about the massacre at Huế
>or the massacre at Đăk Sơn
>or the Highway of Terror
>or the rest of the very, VERY deliberate campaign of assassination and terror by the communists against the South Vietnamese
>mfw our leadership was too utterly retarded to stop any of this
>mfw when the American public forsook their own soldiers and the South Vietnamese
>mfw tôi đang học tiếng Việt, và muốn đi Việt Nam
>lovely people, just don't like their government too much

CBA making a new thread, can someone redpill me on Bhutan?

whole thing would have been over in 3 weeks if they had authorized the b-52s in '67

the whole war was fucking pointless, all you had to do was put a mk82 through uncle ho's roof a few times and they would have given up.

USA left when it normalized relations with China thereby strategically isolating Vietnam, not because of the protests.

They hate the Chinese, yet they're under China's thumb. Maybe they should calmly explain to Hawaii that between the US and China, the US isn't that bad.

this is good, and the reason why locals are made to colonial admin (in iraq, afghan, libya) america calls this spreading 'democracy'

I think up for debate is how much ho chi minh did all on his own, and what larger forces decided for the region + 3mil+ vietnamese were willing to die for this one guy

recently I've heard that Nike is the #1 employer in Vietnam (I think after the army and government).

In a way, does that mean the USA won in the end? B/c a colony making cheap items to make americans rich was probably the endgoal of the war anyway

"""""willing""""""

stfu dude why u tellin secrets?

It was all a pre neocon plot to protect the worlds largest supply of rubber,

however I would say fuck ups during the war were probably genuine, it had become a political tool, and it was the first of its kind America fought. It was bound to get messy.

yes exactly, poppy production dipped drastically and then skyrocketed exponentially after the war. there is video from Fox news's Geraldo Rivera showing sldiers guarding poppy fields, making sure it gets grown.

Yeah, they figured out that Marxism-Leninism is an utterly retarded ideology, and ditched it de facto. (It's still party line, though.)

Too bad it took the deaths of millions of people and decades of economic stagnation/famine to figure that out.

The bodies of dead soldiers were used to smuggle drugs out of the country

Outsourcing work means USA loses.

Congrats faggot. So did my old man. What's your point?

Oh, right, your relo got a Super Shiny, not just a regular shiny.

Also, anyone that's interested in an interesting read, have a look at the book "The Tiger Man of Vietnam".

It's a true story about an Australian Intelligence Officer, that was tapped by the CIA to train Montagnards as a hit and run unit.

He did his job that well that the Montagnards made him an honorary Chief, which pissed off the CIA. CIA then wanted him to use them as assassination teams in the Phoenix Program, Aussie Captain tells them to get fucked, CIA then tries to have him killed, especially after General Westmoreland went off at the CIA because an Aussie did a better job with the locals than the yanks did.

Also big speculation that Apocalypse Now was partially based on him, too. Awesome book to read though.

perhaps.

the upper classes always win when outsourcing occurs, that was why Reagan was so loved by the republicans I assume.

and when products are made cheaply, the average Wal-mart employee won't go on strike b/c they can still afford shoes, thereby pacifying the proletariate.

That is why cheap food through government subsidies to farmers is so important in stopping socialism

Vietnam was a war against communism, just like Korea. And in Korea, the US prevented half the country from turning into what is currently the biggest Hell on Earth.

I honestly don't understand how all the commie bastards can look at the video's of people scrambling out of the country, of the US navy ditching its million dollar aircraft into the ocean in order to take in more of those refugees, and think "they're just unreasonably afraid of communism, everything will be fine".

>"they're just unreasonably afraid of communism, everything will be fine".

I've literally had commies and their sympathizers tell me this.

And also, been fed garbage lines about North Vietnam being on the "right side of history."

It is unbelievable.

It was started based on a false flag. The Gulf of Tonka Incident.

It was used as a means of manufacturing, reducing white population (in movies there were blacks too to hide the fact that 98% of all deaths were white men) and to push the envelope for cronyism.

There's more too.

At the same time education systems were infiltrated by the first third wave feminist elitists. Most were Jewish and all were on government payroll.

Look up the list of everyone in congress circa 1960-1969 and see where they were being lobbied from.

Apparently actual Marxist Russian Jews helped pay for democrats which acted as war hawks in the lobbying scene.

Education was changed after this.

Media was changed after this too. Into state run government controlled husks.

Free speech was halted here too.

They turned great thinkers into hippies using mkultra think tanks to make socially unacceptable behavior the norm.

Vietnam and US governance was to WW1 banksters Jews collecting resources in France and Britain.

I could go on and on.

Women's suffrage was a means to get women to vote democratic before Vietnam war was started.

I probably posted too much as it is but please do your research on what I mentioned. Do not this knowledge slip past you or your families.

These people are not our government officials. They are not for the people.

As soon as NSA started tapping phones and searching user keyword logs it was over. Microsoft 10 is spyware for NSA.

should have ended years earlier but Nixon ruined a peace plan put in place during the election

>Redpill me on Vietnam.

The vietnam war was largely corporation influenced so western corporations (like ford and general motors) could get their hand on vietnamese rubber plantations.

just like Iraq is corporation influenced so western corporations (like shell and Exxon) can get their hands on oil.


yeah it's a swine eat swine world out there

Screencap this I have to go now. Hidden in this post is the truth. It's the last time you can find out the truth for yourselves. They still have power even here.

Yeah, communists and their socialist fellow travellers are insane. It's crazy how they just flatout ignore reality, but then demand to be treated with respect. The North Vietnamese communists were murderous, and even the worst of US collateral damage pales in comparison to the whole rounding up people and killing them for not being communist enough. The US had the Mail Lai massacre. The communists performed that as a matter of policy.

But the commies deny their own crimes, and act as if accidents on part of the US were policy. It's nuts.

It's all exemplified by that picture of the commie bastard being executed on the street. With all Western commies declaring it a war crime. Turns out the bastard had just murdered the families of police officers. Not the officers themselves, but their families! And that's the sort of scum these commies defend, while claiming to have the moral high ground.

I'm just done with them. Communism must be opposed at every turn, even in its "mild" socialist forms, especially as long as the socialists support communist idealism.

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dude. weeeeeeeed lmfao

I think the worst of all was this piece of shit in pic related.

>claimed American atrocities were deliberately planned by high command
>not a mention of VC/NVA atrocities, which were a deliberate campaign of terror
>met with Madame Binh, the top negotiator for the North Vietnamese delegation in Paris, but claimed he didn't discuss the negotiations
>he was still in the navy reserve when he spoke to her
>goes home and starts campaigning for the US to accept the North Vietnamese terms for peace
>said terms would have required the US to leave Vietnam entirely, and THEN releasing POWs would be discussed
>somehow not in jail
>somehow seen as heroic to the left

Forgot pic, was raging too much.

Ho Chi Minh was never committed to the whole communist thing
He originally wanted America's help to get independence from France
Woodrow Wilson tell him to fuck off
He then asks Soviets
Then America gets sour grapes and invades Vietnam