I was in Rome last week and this based taxi driver was giving us a tour of the city as we made our way to the hotel, as we passed the building where Mussolini made his speeches, the driver was all like "Anda thisis wherea the great leeder Mussolini spoka to the peepola! PREGO!! He wasa greata leeder, we hava never had a bettr leeder since him, God in heaven rest hisa soula!!"
Do modern Italians look fondly on Mussolini? Or was this driver just a low-key facsist? Mussolini was a pretty shit leader overall.
Christian Brooks
bump
Jackson Clark
yes older Italians like Mussolini because he actually gave a shit about the country and tried to improve it.
Ayden Barnes
In my family he's still looked up to, he did quite a lot of good things for the Italian population like making more jobs available and building railroads and stuff T. Guy with Italian mother living in the Netherlands
Colton Brooks
>Socialist doing something remotely good
Didn't he kill a bunch of farmers in the rural zones? More specificaly break their legs for whatever the fuck the reason, i guess to seize the means of production?
Tyler Reed
Wasn't he allied to HITLER!? Oy vey goyim, remember the...what did Mussolini do again?
Nathan Diaz
he goofed when he allied with hitler fascism can be good for the nation and is often times a great way to save a democracy in crisi
national socialism is just autistic cancer and hate spewing
Brody Taylor
That's the fun of the job. Every politician does that.
Austin Wright
Would you prefer love spewing you FAGGOT?
Parker Wright
Mussolini reincarnated in Poland, he is extremly right winged politic now :^)
Ayden Collins
Itsa me aMario! I cum to maka da pizza.
Elijah White
not really >pro Hitler because they were similar > Nazi's come to power and Mussolini decides they're dicks >pro fascist ambassador gets assassinated by pro Nazis >compares armies and realizes oh shit I better be Friends with these guys >gets drug into war and eventually gets occupied by the "Nazi allies" who then actually crack down on the Jews instead of pretending to like the Italians were doing since 1938
Asher Green
you deserve a hug.
Ian Long
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Nathan Hughes
Basically when he allied with hitler, hitler was like >"ok, benito, I'm going to take over Europe."
And Mussolini was like >"I want to invade shit too, I'm going to take over Africa!"
He invaded Ethiopia, and couldn't conquer it. Fucking ethiopia, a country filled with malnourished black people and sand, and Mussolini couldn't take it over, he then made hitler send his best generals like Rommel to aid him, and he still couldn't do it, mussolinis Africa campaign was a huge drain on the axis to the point he was more of a liability than anything, same with the nips. Germany would have been more successful during the war if it just didn't ally with anyone, everyone else just dragged it down.
Not that I like Nazis or hitler or anything, I really don't and I'm glad they lost, but you can't not be impressed by what one country vs. the world achieved.
Parker Morris
>T. Guy with Italian mother
Don't mind me, no need to turn on a light, I'll just sit here in the dark...
John Watson
He is pretty much universally loved by the common people south of Rome, and I'd say 50/50 north of that save for the cuck quadrilateral (Milan-Genoa-Bologna-Florence)
Camden Cox
Italians are probably the last sane people in Western Europe
Owen Rogers
You are fucking retarded. Italy conquered Ethiopia in seven months with minimal losses and before he was allied with Hitler. If anything, the war of aggression on Ethiopia is what caused Mussolini to ally with Hitler, since the League of Nations was against it and sanctioned Italy, leaving Germany as the only willing trade partner worth a damn
Jacob Parker
I would prefer emotions in general to get the fuck out of politics. Qualitative argumentation in politics leads only to mass butthurt, destruction, war and eventually collapse and decline.
Bring reason back to politics.
Julian Reyes
Why did he mention a spaghetti sauce out of nowhere?
Cooper Rodriguez
What was the Mussolini equivalent to "muh 6 gorrillion" and "remember Nanking!" though? Or was he just a regular "evil dictator" compared to Hitler and the Japs?
Brody Hernandez
Mussolini was based, but he was unlucky enough to have been born in Italy
Mason Brown
Benito wasn't even Anti-semetic and like Franco based Fascism/Nationalism not on race but on literal national pride.
I seriously think Hitler fucked the entire fascist movement in Europe.
Think of the world we could be living in now if Hitler didn't autistically obsess over Jews and drag Europe into hell.
Franco lived as a fascist after NOT aligning with Hitler till the 70's.
Mussolini was great before he made the mistake of working with the Nazis. I wish him and Franco would have worked something out pre-Hitler.
Ayden Evans
He tried at least
William Rogers
Franco had jewish blood.
I would say that Hitler made the mistake with allying with Mussolini, and not the other way
Hudson Roberts
Grandma said her parents talked about him often. Not sure if positively or badly, I should ask her again while I still have time. She's my only living grandparent now, once they're gone, you start to remember them more often on a daily basis. Fuck I'm tearing up sorry Sup Forums
Eli Green
Before the sanctions, Il Duce wanted to keep Germany out of Austria, and was thus allied to France and Britain by way of the Stresa Front.
Sanctioning them was a big mistake...
Liam Wright
He looks worryingly similar to Douglas Carswell.
Benjamin Wright
Oh so Coudreanu's beef with the chosen was just a coincidence
Tyler Cooper
Who cares if he had Jewish blood?
I don't autistically obsess over a single race.
Even if he did have Jewish blood doesn't it blow the entire "The Jews aren't loyal to anyone but themselves" argument out of the water?
He saved Spain from Marxism. Or supposed "Jewish Marxism" entirely, which contradicts the hypothesis of "tribal mentality" one way or the other further proving Hitler was a retard.
Isaac Gomez
At least he should have died peacefully.
Dylan Long
>Unlucky to be born in Italy >Brazil
top kek
Pretty much this
Luke Russell
That's what gave us whig philosophy which has lead to this cucked, declining mess.
Dominic Cruz
Not talking about (((them))). More along the lines of Hitler's hatred of Slavs (what with being a Slav myself)
Matthew Peterson
>think where we could be if everyone were Civic Nationalists like me We'd be in a very similar position where everything you valued and offered is being undermined by itself.
Asher Ward
There isn't one, he was just a dictator who invaded some African countries, he's considered super evil based solely on his ties to hitler, but on his own he was just a by the number dictator.
Alexander Martin
He would rek yer ass m8
Joshua Murphy
Well, we saw what race based nationalism gave us, the literal eternal destruction and palatability of fascism forever. Good luck, captain autism.
You've literally been reduced to some middle aged bitch who sold nuts at a ball park and a hipster faggot who lives in his moms condo as leaders.
William Adams
nice tits
Elijah Brooks
Saluto al Duce
Evan Rodriguez
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William Martin
Mussolini was a good leader until he joined ww2 with an inadequate army.
Angel Phillips
The silent majority of itafags miss him except Tuscanians communists.
Liam Thomas
My family loves him and I do to. He was sort of nat-soc. I'm pretty much full blown nat-soc but you'd never know it if you met me in real life (I never talk politics, always change subject when it's brought up)
Family are opera heads also. Our great composer Puccini got into some hot water near the end of his composition career because he supported him. of course, as I understand it most of the true citizens supported Mussolini so this made them admire Puccini even more.
But yeah a lot of people my age (I'm 24) don't know much about Mussolini. I've been to America and the youth over there are just like over here: insipid, ignorant, shallow, and stupid. So not much different in Italy. It's maybe even worse in Italy. But we could use a Mussolini
Matthew Wilson
>Slovenia and Croatia talking good of Mussolini Are you foibe dodgers?
Oliver Watson
teach me history, what did Mussolini do to slavshits?
Asher Taylor
We've seen what civic nationalism got us too; a complete void of meaning and purpose which will lead or has lead to our demise. There's little left to even call a nation or a people. Your nationalism is loud and obnoxious but shallow and without substance given the extreme division that remains evident.
Ryan Nguyen
More level-headed than Adolf, though less inspiring and without the "mythic" quality that the latter possessed.
His worst quality was a predisposition to paranoia and superstition. He told an advisor at one point that he worried Julius Evola would put a "jinx" on him. Lel
Bentley Ramirez
Like I said; Peanut slut and Spencer are all you idiots can produce.
Adam Nelson
we all could
Jose Hughes
Not that much, just forced Italianification and beating the shit out of their more uppity leaders, but this got the Slavs mad enough to genocide every Italian they could find in Istria and Dalmatia
Carter Moore
"God does not exist—religion in science is an absurdity, in practice an immorality and in men a disease."
He's not in heaven
Nathaniel Martin
>genocide every italian lmao, sorry mate but Dalmatians = Italians pretending to be Croat no genocide ever happened :^(
Matthew Lee
WE WUZ ROMANS N SHET
Benjamin Martinez
they can say how evil Mussolini was but the Italians love him because if he was in power now Italian earthquake victims would not be sleeping in tents while unvetted and illegal migrants sleep in hotels if it was war mongering for Italy to invade Ethiopia while Britain and France enjoyed the resources of Africa, India, China, and Indochina then consider me a warmonger too because that was only fair for Italy to do so to build the economy and infrastructure to the help the Italian people
Elijah Torres
Considering the people hung him on a fucking meat hook I think the consensus was that he was not liked very much
Mason Nelson
>pa*tisans >people
Bentley Edwards
Think of the world we could be living in now if Hitler had won. Mussolini cost Germany a lot more than Germany cost Italy, thanks to the Nazis having to constantly mop up the incompetence of the Italians. Odd that no one seemed to mind Spain or Italy or fascism in general right up until the Jew was called out. It's almost like Hitler showed exactly what a country could be without Jews and if it was nationalist, but (((someone))) had major issues with this. Pure coincidence? Please head back to plebbit, your autism spacing is more telling than a hook nose on a poor (((merchant))) who lives by simple means.
Dylan Thomas
common misconception he was killed by communists not the average Italian person communists hated mussolini
Connor Campbell
I've no idea who peanut slut is and I'm only familiar with Spencer from more interesting figures speaking on his podcasts etc in the past. I don't particularly care that you remain civic, in fact I don't think you have much choice in the matter given your history. American ethno-nationalists are deluded frankly. Having said that I'd also prefer if the rest of us didn't model ourselves after your unfortunate citcumstance. I'd also prefer that you left us to it and didn't continue to culturally and in many cases almost literally invade us.
But alas, we're all doomed to the same fate in the end. We'll sit by and watch obvious things continue to be forgotten and everything our ancestors crafted be turned in to a gross monstrosity that bears no resemblance. Some of us just a little sooner than others.
Now go back to being happy that your liberal candidate won.
Camden Martin
The elderly still remember him fondly. All my grandparents loved him
Nicholas Moore
Stealthy
Zachary Lopez
>Mil*nesi >people
David Torres
>Think of the world we'd live in if Hitler won
Yeah, but he didn't. Why? Because he was obsessed about (((them))) like you are.
Mussolini and Franco would have been a much more lucid and viable duo.
You'll just have to resort to day dreaming about your faggot, vegan eunuch Hitler like every other weak individual that needs a cult of personality to feel empowered.
Typical socialist faggot.
Brayden Martinez
I want to impregnate this duce
Andrew Barnes
Older people do. And there are a few conservatives that are at least his sympathizers (speaking generally of course). For everyone else though, there's kind of a mixed opinion.
I personally think he was shite and people that like him blow his "accomplishments" out of proportion.
Leo Gray
>Why? Because he was obsessed about (((them))) like you are. That's not why at all though. >Israeli education
Zachary Campbell
>needs a cult of personality Pretry rich coming from you lot given the state of your politics.
Logan Hill
Do you know what they're currently doing in the Mediterranean? Picking up refugee lifeboats and bringing them to europe
Michael Sanders
>musonlini was a great leader >if you disagreed, he would send his thugs to beat you to death
A great leader does not need to beat his opponents to death.
Caleb Bennett
>>Unlucky to be born in Italy >>Brazil >implying one thing implies the other holy shit toothpaste you deserve your refugees
Nathan White
ideally, yes, not in practice also commies aren't people so it's ok
Leo Watson
Americans who envisage the entirety of the US as it is now as an ethnostate are completely deluded; and you're correct, imo. For any kind of ideal state to form here, if it is possible at all given how bad things have gotten, the disintegration of the American union would have to take place first. This is why so many in these circles talk about "Balkanization." It is probably inevitable, hence why some even try to hasten the process along.
Ayden Torres
Irish "education". You just mixed the invasion of Ethiopia with WWII with whatever potato-induced allucinations plague your low IQ brain.
Joshua Moore
The fascist campaign of violence began in Bologna, November 21, 1920. When the social-democratic councilmen, victorious in the municipal elections, emerged from city hall to present the new mayor, they were met by gunfire in which 10 were killed and 100 wounded. The fascists followed up with "punitive expeditions" into the surrounding countryside, a stronghold of the "Red Leagues". Blackshirt "action squadrons" in vehicles supplied by big landowners, took over villages in lightning raids, beating and killing leftist peasants and labor leaders, wrecking radical headquarters, and terrorizing the populace. Emboldened by their easy successes, the fascists then launched large-scale attacks in the big cities.
Noah Stewart
Mussolini was the guy that invented the whole cult of personality thing that every other dictator copied Commies aren't people
Owen Edwards
If you believe every man to be a rational and intelligent being who can't stray or be led off the right path, sure. Bit Utopian though. It can easily do harm if said leader is deluded and not on the right path but a requirement of a great leader would be strength of conviction.
Gabriel Hughes
>Israeli education
Yeah,
>its the jews again >Autistic screeching intensifies REEEE
You're a curse and a plague on the fascist movement
Into the ovens with you
Joshua Sullivan
Good leader , some nordicist stormfags like to bash the guy but he coined the term fascism , hitler was a fanboy of him . and autist hitler ruined any oportunity of fascism being stablished in europe.
Blake Rivera
Absolute!
M A D M E N A D M E N
Lucas Jones
>Istria's population after the war literally halved >Dalmatian Italians go from forming around 20% of the population of Dalmatia to literally dissapearing
Luke Butler
You forgot the part where those ten people were killed by hand grenades thrown by the communists from inside the municipal palace
Luke Brown
I was just joking because I knew it would trigger you to be honest. >American education Is perfectly apt.
Owen Fisher
100% agree
Stormfaggots will continue with their race nonsense and destroy civic-fascism forever.
Jose Bell
There really wasn't won. Mussolini was AGAINST the holocaust and basically refused to participate until he was forced to by a bunch of german soldiers occupying his country.
Mussolini wasn't a particularly good leader, he was very average. Some of his ideas worked, others didn't, nut being a strongman dictator means that your average leader becomes some sort of evil horrible person.
Nevermind the fact that Mussolini was popular and the people generally were favorable to his rule until Italy was invaded by America. Then they turned on his ass quickly and gave him a nice public execution.
Chase Powell
What you think of as "civic nationalism" is not something Mussolini would have agreed with. The racial doctrine which the Italian fascists came to embrace - the traditional tripartite doctrine of body, spirit, and soul - was still a doctrine which allowed for racial differentiation and preference. It wasn't as extreme as with the German fascists, sure, but compared to Trumpian nationalism it might as well have been.
Furthermore, in Mussolini's time mass immigration to Europe from nonwhite countries had not started. With absolute certainty, I can tell you that the Italian fascists would have fought to the death to oppose the transformation of their country into a multiracial society in the spirit of the US, all considerations of "civic nationalism" aside.
tl;dr fuck off
Brandon Rogers
You hopeless moron. He was no "civic nationalist", he was a fascist. That's F-A-S-C-I-S-T.
Go praise Il Duce in front of Antifa and they'll flip shit the same as if you were Richard Spencer.
Every right winger on this board is down with the same program. Stop inventing conflicts where there are none.
Kayden Jackson
Is that an italian or a refugee?
Bentley Bell
Of course the allies were hypocrites.
I believe Hitler was in the wrong when he began his expansionism in Europe, but to pretend that Italy was so horrible for doing exactly what every other European power did was retarded.
Of course, the Allies also scream about the Holocaust, but we killed millions of citizens by the way of nukes, bombs, firebombs, starvation, and disease.
Cameron Reyes
the fact that race wasn't much of an issue at the beginning is more a reflection of it not being endangered at the time, not even remotely, so it was a non-issue
nowadays a person like Mussolini would hardly be a le civic nationalist with the third world invading Italy
Jayden White
>Think of the world we could be living in now if Hitler won* FTFY
Daniel Nguyen
great leader everyone apart "people" from Emilia and Toscana love him you can even pay respect to him on his tomb
Noah Kelly
fascism is a stupid ideology. leadership cult, extreme statism smothering everything, mandatory state school indoctrination, corporatistic merging of economics and politics, no gun rights, extreme bureaucracy and government jobs, financed by high taxes, politics consist of merely pandering to the mob with utopian dreams and hysterical emotionalism, ranting against strawmanned "bourgeoisie" like a marxist,...
overall 3/10
Robert Parker
Piss off, commie.
Henry Roberts
It's an Italian refugee.
Colton King
>going to the third world shithole known as Rome. Wew lad
Justin Kelly
Guy on the left is basically how I picture every Italian
Isaiah Miller
>communist Worse, a lolbertarian.
William Gutierrez
Better fascism than faggism, that is what we have today