Aight guys

Aight guys,
Redpill me on transgenderism.
Hard Mode:
>inb4 muh mental illness
I know it's a mental illness, but firstly, it's not one that really harms anyone except the person it afflicts, and secondly, gender swapping is the method by which science has determined to cure it. Years of surgeries and hormone therapy. What other options even are there?

And sure, most trannies a butterfaces, but post-op you really can't even tell half the time, and they're getting better at it.
What would you do if you ended up banging a tranny and didn't know until afterwards. Would you feel like you just wouldn't be able to unsee or un-know that he/she is a tranny, or would you just not give a fuck because decent pussy is decent pussy, even if it's engineered pussy, and that doesn't make you gay.

Are you willing to call trannies by the pronouns of the gender they're transitioning into, and why or why not?

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well, might be due to hormonal imbalance, some brain parts related to your identity and self perception are formed in the last 2 months before birth.

>I know it's a mental illness, but firstly, it's not one that really harms anyone except the person it afflicts
Come out to your family as trans and get the actual surgery and I'm sure they're going to be at least somewhat harmed/hurt emotionally.

>most trannies are butterfaces
Yeah, if you prefer a """woman""" that's got the body shape of a man, either a penis or a open wound, and a male voice.

>would you call them by their pronouns
No.

That fucking man face, you can't fool me buddy.

to understand transgenderism you must first take the bixpill

youtube.com/watch?v=EVfGZImxJFk#t=4

Why would they be?
And why should that stop anyone?
They weren't the ones who had to spend most of their lives living as a gender they don't feel matches them.
If their families wanted them to be happy, they would encourage the change, right?

>No.
>why or why not?

"ENCOURAGING HOMOSEXUALITY

"People will be given permission to be homosexual," that's the way it was stated. They won't have to hide it. In addition, elderly people will be encouraged to continue to have active sex lives into the very old ages, just as long as they can. Everyone will be given permission to have sex, to enjoy however they want. Anything goes. This is the way it was put. In addition, I remember thinking, "How arrogant for this individual, or whoever he represents, to feel that they can give or withhold permission for people to do things!" But that was the terminology that was used."

I dont give a flying fuck
If youre family doesnt accept you they dont really love you

It costs zero dollars to not be an edgy tool and use the right pronouns

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Just fucking kill yourself OP, you'd be doing the board a favor. People need to learn to start reporting these threads so they'll be deleted.

trans r fuck toys
can't procreate
luxury fetish items

SRS results are atrocious.

>What would you do if you ended up banging a tranny and didn't know until afterwards.

Murder-suicide.

In a libertarian world transgenderism should be consider ok.

TL;DR Stop trying to promote faggotry

Oh, right.

No, because they'll never be an actual woman or man. To delve into the ideology of a shitlib. It's actually sexist to assume that to be a woman you need to wear a dress. They obviously don't see they double think because they're pozzed. But really it's about the fact they're just pretending to be something they're not because they're mentally unfit.

>Would you feel like you just wouldn't be able to unsee or un-know that he/she is a tranny, or would you just not give a fuck because decent pussy is decent pussy, even if it's engineered pussy, and that doesn't make you gay.

OP confirmed for never having seen a vagina in real life.

I fucking hate bigots

only some compensate by acting hyper-feminine
most just want to wear cute clothes and take hormones that make them feel better about their bodies

>not able to reproduce
>the definition of life dictates the ability to reproduce
Trans are literally the undead.

Well, I mean, by that logic, nothing is indicative of being a "woman" or "man", so you can really just call yourself whatever you want and expect people to acccept it.

Also, tell me something, what is an "actual woman or man" in your opinion.

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>Are you willing to call trannies by the pronouns of the gender they're transitioning into, and why or why not?

No, because I refuse to support their special snowflake status but nor would I go out of my way to hurt or kill or persecute someone for being a tranny.

Most trans people will just avoid you then

Surround yourself with people who love you and throw out the bigots uwu

She must really like eggbake

Holy shit dude.

Is it broken?

Not implying.
Asking, user.

>but firstly, it's not one that really harms anyone except the person it afflicts

That is not true. Liberals are pushing transgenderism very hard on children. Children end up coming to the conclusion that their identity and social problems are the result of being born with the wrong body. Children are never given any opportunity to investigate other explanations for their growing pains:

Don't enjoy sports like other boys? You must be a girl then.
Can't deal with the bullies? You must be a girl then.
Do you like drawing and art? You must be a girl then.

This transgender explanation puts a lot of pressure on children because they know they must undergo hormone therapy ASAP before puberty starts. They are forced to make extreme life changing decisions at the age of 9 - 12.

>Well, I mean, by that logic, nothing is indicative of being a "woman" or "man", so you can really just call yourself whatever you want and expect people to acccept it.

You're trying to make a joke but you're not making a joke at all and it's fucking depressing.

>Not implying.
Nigger, that's all you've done in that OP. I can't even argue with you your world view is so warped.

No and you're being retarded, are old people undead too then? Not to mention there's a difference between life in the abstract and living.

how would you not know you're fucking a dude tf?

No, what I meant was that, by feminist logic, external gender signifies are meaningless, and all that matters is self-identification. So it's not wearing a dress that makes someone a woman, in their minds, it's thinking that they are a woman, and you really can't argue against that.
They have this weird, "I think, therefore I am" mentality and basically defeats what the poster before me said.

That's not the fault of transgenderism though. As far as I can tell, the liberals are about not pushing any gender or identity on a child merely based on behavioral traits. What you're describing is stupid shit that parents, namely dads, from the 50's would do whenever their sons didn't wanna play football.
Incessantly calling someone a "little girl" or a "pussy".

Post-Op.
Post-very convincing op, for hypothetical's sake.

The truth is women just have it easier in society and woman consume more than they produce while men produce more than they consume. If every man decided to swap and become a useless woman, society would literally crumble. A woman's ONLY value is the ability to bear children.

You've confirmed to me you're opinion doesn't mean shit lol

>As far as I can tell, the liberals are about not pushing any gender or identity on a child merely based on behavioral traits.
Overwhelming majority of teachers are liberal. The media is liberal. Social media is liberal. Children are constantly bombarded with transgenderism. Because it is so mainstream, transgenderism is too easy (and dangerous) of an excuse for children to rationalize their identity and social problems.

Some children choose to be tomboys, fedora lords, attack their bullies, etc... None of these choices have serious long term consequences. Some children choose to do drugs. Some children choose to undergo hormone therapy. These choices have long term consequences.

>What you're describing is stupid shit that parents, namely dads, from the 50's would do whenever their sons didn't wanna play football.
Did you have dad problems?

>Most trans people will just avoid you then

Sounds good to me since I would be actively avoiding them otherwise.

Good thing they aren't my opinions then, they are statistical facts.

That post has absolutely no understanding of how this works. I literally fought myself to exhaustion and the verge of suicide trying to force myself to 'be a man'. I couldn't. My brain, whatever the fuck is wrong with it, is female. Even after I came out to everyone as a tranny, everybody who knew me admitted they knew there was something wrong with me and most of them thought I might be gay. This was despite my best efforts for years to be a straight man. I'm apparently incapable of even pretending to be a guy. This is some deep neurological disorder shit that can't be fought against or contained. Its be who you are or kill yourself. I'm aware Sup Forums prefers the latter.

As a tranny, I hate the direction liberals are taking this. This is a serious condition and they've hijacked it to be some trendy pride parade circle jerk. It's a living hell.

Depends on the surgeon. Dr. Suporn in Thailand is the best in the world and his vaginas look indistinguishable.

I rarely ever wear dresses. You're sorely lacking in any level of knowledge on the subject if you think that's how this works.

This is currently the working theory among researchers and experts in the field.

I have a MTF transgender friend and I use her pronouns.

It isn't a big deal. Who the fuck cares? She's unhappy otherwise; it's the least I can do

I do have a pretty controversial opinion though: we should just do away with gender entirely. It's just a nonterm at this point. Gender is just a lazy way of bundling a variety of characteristics (e.g. femininity is linked to caring, prudence, etc and masculinity is linked to action, strength, etc.) I brought this up with a radical leftist girl I know and her first response was "gender is just how you identify", and so I asked what femininity meant to her, since she identifies as a woman.

She didn't know. It's just stupid. I think we should just move past this already. An obvious hurdle is pronouns but I suppose you can always just associate pronouns with sexual organs instead of gender, but I gather that still poses problems...

Here's a reason why they're bad.

And no, i wont call a tranny by their "preferred pronouns". They promote this stupid "more than 1 gender" bullshit which just fuels Leftism as a whole.

Nobody can fool you gringo.

If your family doesn't try to stop you from mutilating yourself, they don't really love you.

ive heard this a couple times by now.

would be nice if some neurologist could confirm or disprove this.

you shouldn't normalize this sort of behaviour.
all fags and queers should be treated with electricity.
keep normalizing this degeneracy and then ask yourselves why more and more kids "turn out" queer.
sage

Drag Queens aren't transgenders

no because I could also pretend to be something I am not and you have to accept it by calling me an attack helicopter.

>quality leaf-post

it hurts people (themselves -- see their EXTREMELY HIGH co-morbidity rates) and, more importantly, IT HURTS SOCIETY. It should be shamed so that as few people as possible fall into its trap to keep our birthrate high (or at least at replacement)

Oh god the attack helicopter defense.

ITS INFALLIBLE

But there are two genders.

Because leftists are retarded. Gender = sex. Male or female. Man or woman. Boy or girl. Humans, even young children are aware of what they are. It's just in our nature to understand male and female. With trannies, something went wrong and we perceive ourselves as being the opposite sex we were born.

what if you treated them with test instead of estrogen?

i think this warrants some research. are they just over-represented in the media, or are there actually more people with gender dysphoria now than before? if so, why?

i cant believe this is the world we live in. mass delusion is fucking killing civilization.

Did you know that the trans suicide rate is 40% in non accepting families, and only 8% in accepting non bigoted ones?

Who's really in the wrong?

And even if it is delusion (which its not) what if i fuckin like my delusion? Stay tf out of my buisness and call me my (now legal) name

Paul Dirac was mentally ill and useful

Transgenders are just fucking mentally ill and create more problems than they are worth. Fuck faggots too.

It's a mental illness or sexual fetish.

Its a mixture of over representation in the media, mass promotion of it as fun and trendy by the liberals and because society is becoming less violently opposed to it, the real ones like myself are less afraid to exist.

Pumping testosterone into a male-to-female tranny won't stop our brains from thinking its female. That's not gonna work. It never did.

Most trannies who commit suicide don't do it for lulz and we don't do it out of regret for transitioning. Many do it because their families have disowned them. Their friends have abandoned them. They have higher rates of unemployment due to discrimination and therefore increased rates of homelessness and crime victimization. Many are forced to illegal forms of employment to survive, like prostitution, resulting in higher rates of STDs/HIV and further crime victimization. You really need to wonder why they off themselves?

Well, if indeed it is delusion, no one is inclined to feed into your stupidity, especially if they don't share your delusion.
You don't have a right to be deluded.
Also, mental illness and delusion share a lot of commonalities, mate.

people can do what they want, and i'll call them what they want to be called.

more importantly though, why? why are people suddenly going to great lengths to look like a different gender?

If a persons mind can't cope with reality, we call that a mental disorder.

>Science

>Cure

No.

>it's not one that really harms anyone

Tell that to the guy who got his face split open with an axe in the 7-11 next to my place by a Tranny reacting badly to his hormone therapy.

Tell that to society when it's being told to disregard objective reality and facts in favor of emotional truths and keeping the peace.

>What other options even are there?

Just being a regular faggot or cross dresser? Or just getting the surgery and and being a tranny? No one ever complained about it before.

What they're complaining about is being asked to (by force in nations like Canada) to deny science and facts and treat the mentally ill faggot in a dress as if it is an actual woman.

You want to get implants and put on a skirt and lipstick? Be my guest.

You want to piss next to my daughter or race in the female 100m dash? Fuck off.

>What would you do if you ended up banging a tranny and didn't know until afterwards.

Would be kind of hard not to know during.

Besides, there's plenty of trannies I'd fuck. Like pic related.

>Are you willing to call trannies by the pronouns of the gender they're transitioning into, and why or why not?

I'm not going to lie unless I get something out of it.

>but post-op you really can't even tell half the time
This is a problem for me.
If I hooked up with a chick who use to be a dude, becoming one flesh with another dude is an abomination.

>Pumping testosterone into a male-to-female tranny won't stop our brains from thinking its female

citation needed. are you transgender?

>we don't do it out of regret for transitioning
I've always been skeptical of the often-spouted fact that transgenders kill themselves after transitioning; it seems, as you've said, that there are way too many variable to account for.

Also, in your experience, do you find it difficult to form a genuine romantic bond with another individual?

>not be edgy
>use the right pronouns

>Tell that to the guy who got his face split open with an axe in the 7-11 next to my place by a Tranny reacting badly to his hormone therapy.

When has that ever happened?

>Tell that to society when it's being told to disregard objective reality and facts in favor of emotional truths and keeping the peace.

can you elaborate on this desu? for redpill purposes. thank

Hi Joe.

I don't think that's how hormones work dude.
Hormones effect the body, not the brain.
biology.about.com/od/molecularbiology/ss/hormones.htm

Less than 0.4% of the US population is transgender. That is a fucking round off error, a fucking margin of error. A better question for OP would be "why the fuck are we talking about these people".

Fuck off transfags

The suicide rate literally stays the same after gender swap surgery sooo no it is not the cure.

literally 1 google away brit

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>Pumping testosterone into a male-to-female tranny won't stop our brains from thinking its female.

HMMM...

>Neurons observed in action
>Axons confirmed crossed

It is a neutering mental illness.

Yeah and maybe my schizo uncle should have his ears removed because the government is sending him signals.

We shouldn't enable people's mental disorders.

>All we're asking is that we aren't persecuted

>All we're asking for is that we can openly encourage this behavior

>All we're asking for is dominant representation in the media and government

>All we're asking for is to be married and treated like normal heterosexual spouses and that anyone who questions this arrangement is jailed

>All we're asking for is the right to have our balls chopped off and for people to be legally forced to pretend we're women

>All we're asking for is that you allow two sexual degenerates to adopt a small boy and pump him full of damaging hormones and teach him to be a sexual degenerate and for you to refer to him as a woman and that we can chop his dick off the minute he finishes school

>*canadian bonus round* - All we're asking for is the right to fuck dogs

>All we're asking for is the right to adopt children and engage in non-sexual romances with them

>All we're asking for is to be able to adopt and sodomize little boys

Anyway, reminds me of;

>Immigration will be so controlled as to not even notice it's presence. Don't scaremonger.

cut to

>Whites must be replaced by more vigorous populations from the developing world

>what is a menstrual cycle

have you ever been with a girl, burger君?

People always bring these two up, and I still think it's fake.

Bella Thorne's looking pretty rough these days.

Can you imagine telling yourself a lie for years, pumping yourself up with hormones of the opposite sex until your mind is extremely imbalanced. Mutilating/castrating yourself and one day you finally have a moment of clarity and realize what you've done to yourself can never be reversed

I'd kill myself too. Of course they regret what they've done

Cost zero dollars not to be an edgy tool and demand everyone use the incorrect pronouns just because you're going through a particularly embarrassing edgy rebellious phase.

what the literal fuck...

>MUH BOI PUSSY DON'T HURT ANYONE!

Personally I don't think any man (or woman) should serve a day in jail if they think they are about to have sex with the opposite gender and it's revealed it's the same sex and that leads them to brutally assault/murder that person for lying to them like that.

I mean most people believe rapists should be killed on sight. Same goes for trannies if they do not self disclose up front and admit what sex they were born to.

xx or xy chromosomes. Is this so hard?

Are you sure that axe tranny wasn't just a manly Muslim bitch going Allahu Ackbar mode for peace and tolerance?

Yes, I'm transgender.

Because we already have entirely normal levels of testosterone in our systems before hormone treatment. It's not like trannies are born full of estrogen and low test. In physical aspects, we're male with normal male function, including testosterone production. I've also tried anti-psychotics, anti-depressants and anti-anxiety cocktails from professional psychiatric doctors. You can't cure this shit. It's permanent. It's a neurological disorder, not some extreme hormone imbalance that makes dudes turn into faggots.

>I look like a female therefore I am one.

There is a reason that less than 0.4% of the population identifies as transgender. It's because it is a mental illness.

LMAO everyone here cant cope with the fact that trans people actually exist and require rights like all other humans. (Right now our main issues are hate crimes and discrimination)Sorry you cant cope with reality

Over here we call that a mental disorder

Willam is not a tranny. Drag Queens don't take hormones. They dress up because they get paid to.

THIS

They're not human, they're mutants.
Burn mutants, emperor protects.

can you see chromosomes dude?
Do you even know what role chromosomes even play in biology?

theres pretty much zero hate crimes and discrimination tho

Have you tried pimozide?

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>LMAO everyone here cant cope with the fact that pedophiles actually exist and require rights like all other humans. (Right now our main issues are hate crimes and discrimination)Sorry you cant cope with reality

>Over here we call that a mental disorder

And this is how that slippery slope starts. In 10 or 15 years pedophilia will become a "dysphoria" and there will be no prison time for child rapists.