TRUMP DISMANTLING LISTENING PROGRAM ABUSES

Listen up (in b4 fuck off larper)

I'm not in any way a 'high up' and I'm not claiming to be like FBIanon, etc etc. But I do hear shit from the position I happen to be in.

There is a major buzz in here because Trump calling Obama out for the wiretaps is Trump's first step in dismantling the NSA utilizing every person's phone calls for miscellaneous purposes beyond preventing terror attacks or counter intelligence operations.

Obama 'specifically wiretapping Trump' didn't happen exactly that way. Trump WAS wiretapped... because EVERYONE is wiretapped. That's the issue. When this program was first rolled out there were fairly stringent guidelines and the FISA judges were stricter, etc. This data was exclusively used for counter terrorism/counter espionage and no human ever actually listened to a collected data unless a warrant was issued.

SINCE SNOWDEN, that changed. The political leadership decided to leverage this for whatever purpose they have at the moment, and that's what the Obama admin did by pulling Trump's collected data and reviewing/listening.

Think of it less as an active person listening to current phone calls and rather a room full of lawyers and political hacks listening to recordings of older phone calls that already happened. Obviously they didn't find jack squat.

Trump already knew about this shortly after he became POTUS, but he's on the warpath with Hussein Obama and is trying to destroy any goodwill people who buy the 'scandal free' meme have towards him.

Trump is taking the first steps in dismantling political use of the NSA and other agency surveillance systems. He isn't trying to dismantle their use for their intended purposes, but to drain the swamp of the actual abuses.

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breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/03/mark-levin-obama-used-police-state-tactics-undermine-trump/
cbsnews.com/news/on-yasser-arafat-polonium-and-the-possibility-of-poisoning/
nytimes.com/2009/04/16/us/16nsa.html
pcworld.com/article/2050100/nsa-admits-employees-spied-on-loved-ones.html
northcrane.com/2017/03/04/obamas-wiretaps-on-trump-tower-were-conducted-by-british-intelligence-in-an-effort-to-circumvent-u-s-surveillance-law-courts/
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I hope you're right, but Trump seems pro-NSA to me.

There's so much fucking work to be done in actually draining the swamp. But kudos to Trump for being under budget and ahead of schedule. All these snakes who hate Trump and America need to be sent to gitmo or to a firing squad.

Trump seems pro-NSA pro-tapping.

But he can garner a shitton of libfag goodwill if he promises to end the warrantless surveillance state we're now in.

His base already wants an end to it anyway.

At what points did Obama obtain a FISA warrant for Trump? Was any FISA application turned down? Did Obama go above and beyond anything contemplated by any VISA warrant that was issued.

Really, it seems as though there are two governments operating in DC: one led by Obama and one led by Trump.

It seems to me that Obama, by not just riding off into the sunset, is really subverting the peaceful change of government upon which our system rests and for which we pride ourselves.

Really, he's acting like some third world dictator who has been deposed and is now trying to regain power.

When and how does it all stop?

You have to be a libfag to oppose warrantless surveillance?

Remember, he seems pro-Israel, while making Israel's position actually weaker.

Trump is pro security, but fundamentally against using a government body for personal financial/political gain. MAGA

where we're going we don't need warrants

breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/03/mark-levin-obama-used-police-state-tactics-undermine-trump/

Read that article.
>inb4 breitbart

>It seems to me that Obama, by not just riding off into the sunset, is really subverting the peaceful change of government upon which our system rests and for which we pride ourselves.
>Really, he's acting like some third world dictator who has been deposed and is now trying to regain power.
>When and how does it all stop?

This. It needs to be stopped with jailtime.

>Obama
>Scandal free
I mean besides forcing people into health care, against their will, which is totally unconstitutional - he was also responsible for giving the go-ahead on hundreds of drone strikes that killed innocent civilians. I mean, that's part of the reason why ISIS and other terrorist organizations have so much support today and why so many liberals feel bad for all these displaced refugees. Obama could have stopped the drone strikes but it was under his administration that they increased and got less accurate.

What need to happen? Can it be done on an EO basis? Will he need legislative cooperation? Is his goal to create a popular groundswell that puts pressure to get this done?

>When and how does it all stop?
When mossad slips the nigger a polonium sandwich Arafat style

cbsnews.com/news/on-yasser-arafat-polonium-and-the-possibility-of-poisoning/

>where we're going we don't need warrants

>because EVERYONE is wiretapped.

Indeed this is the fucking issue. And 'they' have the ability to 'google up' anyone's phone conversations for whatever nefarious purposes they wish.

>Trump is taking the first steps in dismantling political use of the NSA and other agency surveillance systems. He isn't trying to dismantle their use for their intended purposes, but to drain the swamp of the actual abuses.

Just this would make him the greatest president this last century in people's eyes.

>phone conversations
and
>emails
>faxes
>skypes
>iphone data
>etc etc etc

Petraeus stated publicly, if an individual has a dishwasher in their house 'they' can use it to eavesdrop on that household.

Finally the police state can be dismantled.

>if an individual has a dishwasher in their house 'they' can use it to eavesdrop on that household
Shit, the kikes have gotten to my gf?!?

no idea my friend. I'm just a basic admin work guy who happens to have my desk in a physically convenient location.

>Trump is taking the first steps in dismantling political use of the NSA and other agency surveillance systems. He isn't trying to dismantle their use for their intended purposes, but to drain the swamp of the actual abuses.

I for one, completely support this effort.
How can I help OP?

If digits Obama goes to jail

this is a cuck move.

Snowden was the catalyst that made this data be used for political rather than solely national security issues.

Also he stole tons of surveillance practices data and gave it to foreign governments. The stuff he released to the media was a fraction of what he actually took and distributed.

Snowen's a traitor desu! Sorry! A better hero is Assange who genuinely just releases stuff leaked TO him by others and isn't trying to profiteer (besides his wikileaks swag shop and donations etc)

only libcucks with something to hide wants it to end. I enjoy feeling safe from muslim attacks.

anti-semetism is a strctly leftist idealogy. Trump has proclaimed himself the least anti-semetic person ever.

Well Trump has repeatedly said seemingly crazy shit only to be vindicated later over and over again now. I'm just gonna stop doubting the dude and put my hands up. Enjoy the ride.

TL;DR Courts will be convened

Good goy, the government is just trying to keep you safe by looking through your nudes.

Obama: Stop us if you can.

Trump: Challenge accepted.

Trump cant let Obama normalize the idea of former Presidents meddling behind the scenes with personnel serving a current President. Trump has to stop Obama, not only from wiretapping, but everything he is doing, or it will become the norm. It will end the nation.

They're looking through your nudes now BECAUSE of Snowden. Do you get it? This data collection wasn't abused until every other asshole in the federal bureaucracy became aware of it and weaseled their way into having access to it.

Post some sort of proof you aren't a larping faggot.

It's some comfort to know that's the intention, it meshes with his attitude toward the leaks as well. Can't imagine the NSA will be happy about having any degree of power stripped away, I wonder how much "house cleaning" will need to be done.

Bump for justice.

>They're looking through your nudes now BECAUSE of Snowden.

Holy shit, this was so stupid I did a doubletake.

God Look at how amazing trump is. how did he get his name to appear under him like that?

The issue isn't neutering the NSA it's reforming the way the collected data is able to be accessed and by whom.

The data collection programs should continue and everyone in the office assumes that's what the administration supports.

hes saying that until Snowden made the info public, the vast majority of public employees did not know they had the capability. Now that they know they actively find ways to get their noses in the nosy-pie. Makes sense and I had never thought of it like that before.

tl;dr
NSA could expose themselves having everyone wiretapped, or let Obama hang.
>Shadow government wont resuce Obama
>Obama is fucked 100%

Right, they needed Snowden to be given *unfettered power* and decide "oh gee I can abuse this? I didn't know! Thanks Snowden!

If the NSA truly monitored terrorist activity instead of collecting all our data then I would have no problem with it.They need to be destroyed.

>how did he get his name to appear under him like that?
Triumph of (the) will

Yeah yeah I get it privacy and all. The fact is the data started getting accessed 100 fold after Snowden's media releases and that's when political and personal abuses started happening from it (people blackmailing over affairs, etc)

That shit didn't happen prior to him. He also sold data that he didn't release to the media to foreign governments. I don't know what else to tell you, you fell for a meme if you think he's any kind of hero or anything other than a traitor. He knew what he was doing, he specifically sought out the data he DID take, he didn't just run across it and be shocked.

Hm some kind of balance needs to be struck between oversight of the intelligence community and limits on what elected officials can actually make them do. I imagine they should function like high-level consults, providing information at their own discretion, but then how do you keep them from overstepping their power if they essentially determine their own capabilities?

Funny how even high levels of government still act like entitled children

Thats not what Im saying and i doubt the poster meant that either. Of course the things Snowden revealed were already being abused. Thats why he went public. Revisit the timeline and stories. He saw the abuse and complained but got no help. The thing I said was at that time the abuse was more limited because fewer people knew about it. Now every agency knows and those employees look for ways to get in on the information being collected. It means theres more abuses now. I still think Snowden did the right thing. Its not his fault we the people allow a secret court to exist and super surveillance to continue.

Sure would be terrible if someone was to take 10,000 pictures of his cock and then run searches for "how to build a bomb" and "best way to infiltrate Ft Meade".

Actual NSA here, just FYI, we don't mass surveil Americans, we individually target and these are RARE cases for things like human and drug trafficking that have solid evidence behind them (things involving foreigners or terrorism exclusively- the FBI is more domestic but has the same rules in place regarding targeting, meaning they need knowledge that bad guy is doing bad shit for real [99% of you guys and everyone have literally nothing to worry about because we don't care about you in an investigation sense]) We extend these protections to allied countries and countries that allow us to operate in their territory. We also target for a purpose always, so we're not conducting mass surveillance really anywhere, it would be a waste of time to do so. Remembering that these agencies are headed by appointees of the president and are comprised of contractors (nerds) should help calm you down that we're doing the best we can to keep America and others worldwide safe while trying to respect your privacy.

I can't say the same about respecting privacy for your local police forces though, they are as unhinged as any, way more so than we are collecting all your shit into databases and storing them for years and feeding that info into AI that learns about you and categorizes you on a threat scale, all while maintaining secrecy from outsiders (this is the mass surveillance you should be afraid of). Agencies deal with organizational threats, your policemen deal with YOU, and you, and you, and you, and love the idea of saving time (because it's a day job by low skill workers that are accountable only to a paycheck [like how policemen get sent on paid vacation when controversy arises, if WE fuck up even a little bit, you can be DAMN sure we're facing investigations and jail time]) even if it means centralized threat matrices. They don't need a purpose for collection, they don't need evidence, they can do whatever they want. You can find info on this shit online.

if he actually did this, I would get the biggest libertarian boner ever.

> Of course the things Snowden revealed were already being abused. Thats why he went public.

No. Snowden specifically went after the data he stole. He specifically sought out the job he had to gain access to that specific data. There was no 'shocking revelation' etc. He knew what he wanted and he sought it out.

The rest of what you say is correct aside from saying Snowden made info public because he discovered abuse.

>threat matrices
Ah LARP threads, the heart and soul of Sup Forums

But in all seriousness, NSA Poster #1 is saying the agency itself doesn't abuse these powers inherently - rather, Snowden "broke the seal" on elected officials using these capabilities for their own pet projects. I do not know what kind of mechanisms are in place to prevent this, but if true, it would certainly explain why surveillance was accessed on Flynn without any reason for investigation. No one seemed to seriously question the legality of it in the first place. If Obama or one of his cronies could get their NSA buddy to provide recordings on me with no threat matrix, no oversight, and no culpability, and no accountability that's a horribly dangerous precedent. Is there anything that stops them from doing this?

Let me state it another way.

Snowden's primary goal was the sale of information to foreign governments.

He used the reveal of a macro view of methods/practices on data collection to the media in order to garner public support and prevent consequences for his actions. It was his cover. Snowden would be dead right now if it wouldn't make him a martyr.

Was he doing it on his own? Or was he the "bag man" for somebody else looking to sell it themselves?

Maybe he worked for Hillary.

Can't tell if this is facetious because I wouldn't doubt it one bit.

are you saying that snowden isn't the hero that we needed

make it cool that obama used his secret government surveillance powers to listen in on trump and get liberals to spread this story like wildfire

r/Donald -- You wouldn't have lasted a day on 2012 Sup Forums. You have to go back.

Keep eyes and ears on this one VERY carefully, we need to know if someone tries to move assets or information illegally.

Slippy sneks.

Yea, the same guy who dismissed surveillance by saying you should use a courier if you don't want your communications spied on gives a shit about dismantling programs he will use to define his presidency.

Fuck off LARPer.

Yeah I wish the 3rd world didn't ruin pol with cheap shills

kek

>That shit didn't happen prior to him
NSA was made as a blackmailing agency. And you believe it didn't happen prior to him? What's the logic even?

Dont know his motives just know what he did do.

ughh you really are new aren't you. Please stop being a fucking bootlicking faggot.

How about the government just puts listening devices in every room of your home and a GPS tracker in your car so they know where you are at all times. I mean you don't have anything to hide so why should you care if they invade your privacy?

Newsflash faggot, they are already doing those things. Any time you have your cellphone on you the feds are able to listen to your conversations and track your location.

The left made the mistake of giving the federal government more and more power under obama without ever considering the possibility that said power would end up in the hands of somebody they didn't like.

You are no better than a leftist you stupid fucking faggot.

Getting leverage in counter espionage operations is not at all the same as picking an ideological battle using nsa data within our own nation. claiming it is is the exact justification the people abusing the system tell themselves

Praise digits

They were turned down in June or July, then it supposedly went through in October

It's more akin to a log is kept and can be accessed later, rather than someone actively listening in all the time. If that log has the proper protections then liberty isnt being infringed upon. the protections have failed.

Some of you guys are alright...

What? Bye shill

average person didn't even need to concern themselves with hearing about it.

times change.

I am fully aware of how PRISM, XKeyscore etc work faggot.

There is a thing called meta-data in which supposedly everyone is in and as soon as "LETS BOMB THE FIRST AVENUE WITH X CHEMICALS [spoke in Arabic]" the system gives an alert.

Now there is another way to use the information mining if there is a current investigation and the info is related to an Y subject.

BOTH which didn't happen. Trump said it clear Obama ORDER to wiretap him, no for an investigation but to listening his campaign as espionage.

Obama could have asked an institution to do it LEGALLY as in an investigation, but the NIGGER taught an direct order to the IC was enough because if Hillary won the order would never come into light.

>TL DR OP is a faggot, Trump can arrest Obama b/c he committed a crime and conspiracy

trump speaks in hyperbole. there is no proof we;ve soon that obama ordered it, but there is proof that the NSA collected it and then Obama enabled everyone to listen.
Unless there is a new development?

ayy

...

>But he can garner a shitton of libfag goodwill
Nah, he could end all wars and personally give out free ponies to underprivileged minorities for the rest of both terms and he would never win a tiny bit of libfag goodwill.

>Obama 'specifically wiretapping Trump' didn't happen exactly that way. Trump WAS wiretapped... because EVERYONE is wiretapped.

this was well known since binney, the neocon / neolib argument was that regardless of whether everyone is tapped, it doesnt matter unless a person looks at it (which is bullshit).

even so, the fact that the taps clearly WERE looked at (hense the involvement of fisa) even after he was cleared is a problem, it literally is watergate 2.0.

>breitbart
no thanks. Don't take state media seriously

Then why do you mislead people that a G-Man is watching their porn streaming?

There is no way the order came from other place than the white house. We are talking about WATERGATE 2.0 no one is too stupid to use his office for it, no one wants to rot in jail.

The reason why no one knew was because Obama didn't did a "regular procedure" to wire-tap him. If he did say, hey [insert institution] we think Russians are working with Trump can you investigate and report his activities to me?

In that case, Republicans assets, specially in October when after he won the primaries, would blow and leak the "order" to other figures who in that time could do an scandal. And Trump, as we know it, could rampage Washington for it.

To avoid leaks and Republican assets in the line, the order came as in a black operation. The ones the military and White House can do, because the people involved (IC) can't do shit or talk without going to jail. But the order can only be done with a big name or high office as responsible. In this case, pointed by Trump, Obama.

>BECAUSE of Snowden.

This dumb ass shill attempting to blame Snowden for the evil in total surviellance.


nytimes.com/2009/04/16/us/16nsa.html
>Officials Say U.S. Wiretaps Exceeded Law

pcworld.com/article/2050100/nsa-admits-employees-spied-on-loved-ones.html
>NSA admits employees spied on husbands, boyfriends, and girlfriends

Obama ordered the Trump data given to him, data that was already collected as standard practice not just of Trump but all over. The issue is accessing that data, which is supposed to be protected and accessed for counter terrorism and counter espionage.

Maybe you can put two and two together and see why they're pushing "MUH RUSSIA" so hard now, because they'll use it as an excuse as to "oh we were just doing standard counter espionage because Trumps russia ties"

when in reality it was a hunt for damaging info of any kind.

Nope.

He found out the power that president has and that it was used against him.
>will keep that power

to shut the fangirls up, he's gonna say what they want to hear
>he won't do shit


Trump fangirls & Trump haters are the same. Easily fooled into believing what they want to believe

When the proven russian infiltrator builds a wall, I'll concede...but
>he's not a russian whatever
>he won't build a fucking wall
>both sides are retarded and believe bullshit because 'their side' said it

And now we know why the Obama Administration tried so hard to accept/enable violent minority protesting and the systemic delegitimization of law enforcement.
>If we fuck with Obama too much, #BLM will chimp out big and start a race war.

Exactly. Like said before the only reason Obama did a very stupid move is the over confidence Hillary was the next president.- In his mind all this operations were about to be buried for ever.

>TRUMP DISMANTLING LISTENING PROGRAM ABUSES

When I read that I can't tell if if he's trying to end wrongful listening, or if he's trying to end the "abuses" that produce evidence of wrongful lsitening

I'm not sure what you're implying, I'm an American from Dixie.

Suddenly my amazon Echo seems so much less cool

Tell a friend, FBI user will be doing poly CI interviews with employees having access to certain SAPs. Leakers should be very afraid.

I think we underestimated Trump. Either the guy prepared the last decades to re-take the government from the establishment networks or he is being aided by the best of the best.

northcrane.com/2017/03/04/obamas-wiretaps-on-trump-tower-were-conducted-by-british-intelligence-in-an-effort-to-circumvent-u-s-surveillance-law-courts/

""The US government has paid at least £100m to the UK spy agency GCHQ over the last three years to secure access to and influence over Britain's intelligence gathering programmes.

The top secret payments are set out in documents which make clear that the Americans expect a return on the investment, and that GCHQ has to work hard to meet their demands. "GCHQ must pull its weight and be seen to pull its weight," a GCHQ strategy briefing said.

The funding underlines the closeness of the relationship between GCHQ and its US equivalent, the National Security Agency. But it will raise fears about the hold Washington has over the UK's biggest and most important intelligence agency, and whether Britain's dependency on the NSA has become too great."

I know what 5 eyes is, brah.

This has been a problem for a long time.

hiring foreign governments, or tolerating any foreign government to abridge americans' constitutional rights should be a hanging offense.
Its a violation of their oath of office, and intends to circumvent the constitution.

its sickening.

Because they are fully capable of it. You're acting as if the NSA has never live tracked an asset using the same tools that make PRISM possible.

If you were actually an insider who knew this much about the NSA, why would you be posting here where you're 100% sure to be monitored?

Checkmate atheists.

btw, this is not the only way that the surveilance state purposefully intends to circumvent the constitution. There are many.

You need only look into anyone advocating "public private partnership" to find someone to hang.