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Great. Now watch as SV moves to India.

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Thank fucking god.

Good luck convincing the software leads, that actually keep an eye on the poo code monkeys, to relocate to India.

They won't even leave California.

So true. White people don't have jack on superior Aryan Indians.

70% of them are fucking Pajeets?

Windows 11 might be decent after all

Code monkeys can be easily replaced

Poo in loos are excellent at maintaining SV for low prices after whites and chinamen already built everything, but they're not capable of making anything new. So I doubt that would happen and if it did I expect it to fail spectacularly.

>70% poo in loo

God damn.

Lol they'd have to first learn how to use the designated shitting streets

I work in a major SV company. I'm like one of ten white people in my building. There are like ten Asians and the rest are Indian.

Where will we find grunt programmers that copy pasta code together? Oh that's right, everywhere.

These aren't codemonkeys. They low level software engineers that work 120k jobs for 60k/year and the economy has flourished because of it. Engineers are fucking overpaid in this country as it is.

They're not going to lose all their white programmers just for some poo in loos.

How is this not socialism? You're stifling the free market, here. If, I, a business owner wishes to reduce their labor costs and earn more money I should be able to. Why do you, using the government as a tool, pillage my potential gains? Why do YOU have a right to extorting me via forcing me to hire dumb Americans vs. smart foreigners who will work for less. I don't want to hire Americans who don't take learning seriously, graduate from glorified high schools called colleges, and demand tons of money. Socialism, not even once.

Poos & gooks can only copy, not create.

true Aryans are actually Persian

that´s at least where the word comes from

and yet you hardly notice them compared to other groups

really makes you think

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>muh free market
Keep your neoliberal pseudo-communist bullshit away from America.

Old America (up to 1920) was the most libertarian nation to ever exist, and very protectionist.

It's called demographics. These brown people will give you a socialist utopia if they become the majority.

If you do have the right to do this, don't I also have a reciprocal right to subsidies for hiring Americans? Look at any standard test scores, even if you exclude blacks and Hispanics, white Americans are generally pretty dumb. Asian students treat their education like a full time job, and the effort shows. Americans just...well they don't take it seriously and act like snowflakes when no one will hire them.

>i need muh underpaid intern slaves

so, why are liberals all about enslaving foreigners?

Yes. I do a lot of work with Microsoft/Amazon which almost exclusively employ pajeets.

No Jr. level software engineer is making 120k. You're a fucking idiot if you think that. They're at most making 50k to 60k. These pajeets are largely making around 40k or less.

And no, jr. level software engineers can be replaced easily. Jr. level doesn't mean you haven't been around long enough to make connections. It means you know nothing and you need to be hand-held for atleast 1 to 2 years.

Thank fuck.

Right, the world today is exactly as it was in the 1920s. That's great. I'm convinced! See how long your firm lasts when have more labor costs, produce a worse product, and have to hire from a pool of idiots.

who cares? what major advancement has there been since ~2010 with the rise of smart phones (which were nothing but a cell phone and palm pilot rolled into one)?

pretty much everything in the past 7 years or so has just been slapping two existing technologies together, i.e. smart refrigerator/toaster/lamp/thermostat, or getting meager boosts in performance.

not to mention that fob curry niggers, if you ever met any, aren't innovators. they are cheap, sub par labor. their universities are dog shit, and all the curry niggers i met that were educated in india perform far worse than their US educated equivalents. worse yet, once they get management positions they hire more curry niggers.

Visas dont come cheap, you do not use them for interns. You use them for people in another countries branch who are good at their jobs. You pay them less to cover the visa cost

You're missing the whole point. What you're saying is that markets should be controlled by the government. That's the definition of socialism. If you'd argue that the government should tell me who I can and cannot hire, then why not argue for single-payer, or some other dumb socialist idea.

Cool then all of the debilitating traffic in my neighborhood will go away (south fremont). Housing prices will begin to fall, making it affordable.The schools will be less asian/indian so my child will feel less alienated. The stateless orientals will leave for wherever the money is, and I can have a community again.

I am employed by a tech company, and if them leaving means I have to go into manual labor or some other industry, I'd do it tomorrow if they left.

They pump and dump their employees. Being promoted pass entry level dev. Is hell in those companies.

They know that the entry level devs are the burger flippers of the software industry

All Pajeets and Chinks can do is copy. Maybe now you guys can actually higher people with actual talent

And now you can save all that visa money and hire an American worker and give them a salary they would command for their work.

I don't see the problem with that.

>dumb Americans vs. smart foreigners
kill yourself, curry nigger.

so it isn't because the indians and chinese are particularly smart, right?
it's because they don't mind working for slave wages in unsafe conditions, right?

Actually, if you apply for visas in bulk and you're short-changing your entry level employee by atleast 7k, you'll make your money back in 2 years or less. Entry level for US citizens goes from 50k to 65k. That's a lot of wiggle room to import pajeets and still make a profit.

Americans generally don't have that talent. Importing cheaper workers allows firms to get the best employees for the best cost. This, in turns, allows them to be competitive. Anything else would stifle innovation because, on average, Americans produce a lot of trash for every one genius. This is tantamount to trying to legislate full employment. The USSR had full employment, and look how wonderful that was!

If your job is at risk you either need to (1) work for less or (2) actually go out and learn something that's valuable, not just cry to Uncle Sam other people are smarter than you.

India color of poo. Just like it should be

then fuck off to whatever country lets you hire whoever you want. problem solved.

Are you really defending the practice of using foreigners instead of actual Americans? You're really pathetic

fuck you

Shiticon Valley

Actually it does. I have no idea when they started arriving or how quickly. They really are the aryans of sandnegroes.

Why subsidize mediocrity? This is the same line that liberals use with single-payer. ''Look, we can't make it on our own so help us!'' This is what the American workforce believes, all while screaming against socialism. You can't have it both ways. Stop acting like you're entitled to a firms money.

The talent pool is lacking no matter where you look.
The only positive I'll say about American entry level devs is that they at least speak the language and have decent enough reading comprehension skills.

Hiring Indians makes your sprints short as fuck because you constantly need to make sure they're not confused over simple shit.

Trump will keep all his promises

Don't worry m8, it will only affect those losers in California.

They're moving to near Portland, on the Washington side of the river.

I fucking hate you libertarians so fucking much.

Not everything revolves around economic efficiency you stupid faggot, this is a country not a goddamn shopping mall.

Your parents don't send pajeet down the street to university because he got better marks than you in high school. Your country doesn't abandon you for easily exploitable pajeets because they'll do it for cheaper or have more degrees (that are from shit uni's).

also pic related

this right here was why I sided with trump.

>Americans generally don't have that talent. Importing cheaper workers allows firms to get the best employees for the best cost.
fuck off, shill.

you would need to have absolutely 0 real world experience to believe truly believe that.

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>Muh economy
Or you could care for your people

I'm defending the practice of fostering competitive industry. If a country has no competitive industry, it's totally fucked. If X firm makes Y product, but competes with Z firm who makes a better Y product for less, and thus passes that savings onto the consumer, then X is fucked. Utterly fucked. This isn't hard to understand. Markets work best without government interference.

Why not just institute basic income if your goal to just funnel money into the pockets of undeserving, unproductive, entitled Americans? Wouldn't that just do the same thing? The whole point here is you want Americans to be considered first for hiring, but why even bother having them work if they're going to sink firms? Just give them money to live and build their dumb socialist universities.

there are ethical concerns that come along with supporting countries like India and China where basic human rights are trampled.

you do not have a right to exploit workers simply because their shitty government is indifferent.

if you don't have ethics or morals fine. enjoy an eternity living in a lake of fire when you die. but outsourcing labor to places that abuse humans in a daily basis is wrong, and you know it.

Entry level devs are pretty woeful nowhere they come from. The retention rate for entry level is fucking pathetic through the industry. They come in expecting someone to hold their hand and train them. Which will never happen.

However American entry level devs at least have used a computer before coming to the job site.

I'm not a libertarian, I'm a republican. This is the platform of the GOP. Why do you think we're called the pro-business party? Because basic economic logic doesn't escape us like it does those who support this contrived entitlement program of ''HIRE AMERICANS EVEN IF THEY'RE DUMB!''

I don't get it, what's happening?

>Why not just institute basic income if your goal to just funnel money into the pockets of undeserving, unproductive, entitled Americans? Wouldn't that just do the same thing? The whole point here is you want Americans to be considered first for hiring, but why even bother having them work if they're going to sink firms? Just give them money to live and build their dumb socialist universities.
Easy, because you can't win elections without providing your voters with jobs. That's the only fucking thing that matters in America. It doesn't matter if losers that wouldn't vote for him are no suffering as long as Trump's supporters are employed and have a good wage.

As someone in tech, there IS a shortage. Most American engineers are mediocre at best. All the top tier go to work for Google, Facebook, and Apple. That leaves all the other tech companies with the dregs who still demand $150K starting salaries just because they got an EE/CS degree.

What? Like offering them a good education, a pollution-free environment? Healthcare? A chance in life to rise above the status of their parents? What the fuck do you think I am, a socialist?

You mad, globalist shill? Sorry that our collective national interests don't align with your personal interests. The market will adapt, sorry that it's not in your favor this time.

And that is bad why?

Cheaper software very rarely = better software.
Just as more code rarely = better code.

A lot of issues we see on software stability, efficiency, and security are linked to the fact before the people working on these teams are incompetent. Their leads may be incredibly smart, but they can't micromanage every implementation that goes on underneath them.

Globalist kikes and Pajeets BTFO

The problem being there won't be any firms hiring if they aren't competitive. The way a firm stays competitive, and this is really basic even an American should understand it, is deliver a better product for less.

An average engineer is not worth $150K. I would rather pay Sujal $80K knowing he will work his ass off.

Good riddance. We can out produce and out compete them if they move.

That implies there are foreign competitors with an equivalent skillset.

That's just not true at this time.

this,
>Pajeets in charge of coding

And that is where the next solution comes from: Devaluing the US dollar or becoming protectionist.
You are thinking from the pov of a company boss. They only make up a small minority of the US population.

Except, it's you...the public, who will suffer when the economy slows down and America can't innovate. I hope you're open to living in a trailer and getting food stamps. But, hey, you might not have insurance but MUH GUNS.

How can a country have fallen so far?

So, you're assuming something here. Cheaper software can bring in more money if it sells more copies than the better, but more expensive software. Why sell greatness when average will sell far, far more?

oh fuck you its semantics you dumb enlightenment faggot, republicanism or neoliberalism is rooted in libertarian ideology. fucking neck yourself if you can't even make that distinction you stupid cuck faggot.

So what if economic efficiency says so? Maybe we should take time and work on ourselves because we're 'dumb' as you say.

This never ending quest for MUH GDP GROWTH and MUH 'CONOMY is toxic to any society or people.

Again this is not a shopping mall, it is a country, a nation, and a family. Look at Japan, they're doing pretty bad right now, but they admit that they would rather work on themselves than take the easy way out by importing foreigners for quick economic gain and growth.

You capitalist pigs need to be physically restrained or removed before you continue to destroy groups of people and nations in the name of shekels. Kike.

>Markets work best without government interference
H1-b visas aren't government interference how?

Besides the fact the Americans aren't considered for hiring because companies are allowed to import poor foreigners to work for less. If a field is competitive and profitable it will succeed no matter what the people making the product demand to be paid.

Artificially lowering the price of things does nothing but destroy an economy in the long run.

Working your ass off doesn't mean you'll get a solid piece of software.

There's likely a good reason why someone demanding 150k is required and why the guy offering 80k will likely leave you 230k in whole after everything is said and done.

they mind it. but what are they gonna do?

Americans have been brainwashed into thinking globalism is fine, and that it doesn't matter that Chinese children go blind assembling iphones as long as trans genders get their own bathroom.

we have enabled China to exploit billions of people just to barely compete with our GDP. surprised more politicians don't make this argument.

future generations will see our ambivalence towards workers' rights in Asia while still consuming the goods they produce as barbaric. same with factory farming

>regulating immigration is socialism
Christ, I actually hate libertarians more than leftists.

Like I said, I'm a republican and I will defend the job creators of this country. That's as American as apple pie. Can you believe what these ''Americans'' are saying, crying about how they're entitled to a quality lifestyle by accident of birth? This is like sick people demanding doctors take care of them or poorer children demanding that tax money be taken from our innovates and put to silly uses like education.

the whole H1B pyramid scam was devised by globalists as part of their race replacement scheme, it has nothing to do with worker shortage, skills shortage, or other smoke screen excuses

it is a corporate migrant smuggling scheme, as implemented with the migrant refugee scheme
Reminder that the "skilled labor shortage" is a sham.

youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU

That's reality though. Small firms can't afford American top talent, so they use H1B guys.

I work for a company that is very similar to Symantec in size, but makes a lot more money.

I agree there is competition with google and apple who are down the street, but we realized we're better off hiring college students and natives rather than poo's who can barely speak the language or understand the culture.

We can get more by fostering and teaching these people than by getting an under performing indian. The trend is now changing towards college students.

But even if our domestic population is 'shit' then, yes we will take a hit, but when and where does this easy cop out of importing foreigners stop?

Pretty much lol

Infosys Pajeet tears

Average software is incompatible, crashes constantly, has security vulnerabilities, doesn't adapt to user needs, etc.

That's just not how the software industry works. You literally get what you pay for. Getting a competent engineer on the cheap doesn't exist.

But the long term cost of importing these foreigners to replace Americans in unfathomable.

Then every politiician in our history was a socialist and we've always been socialistsZ

All people are egoistic as fuck m8, nothing weird or wrong about that. If I had to let a baby starve so I could live, I would do it unless it was directly related to me.
Small tech companies don't even need people working in America, they can outsource that shit over the internet.

If you dont have money to poach top talent, train it, grow it.
If you cant even do that, you cant afford to run a business
HB1s decimated Americans, its a sell out visa
Killary wanted to raise the cap too

Most visas to go big companies though. They prefer visa holders because they have less bargaining power.

>equated cheaper workers to best employees in the same sentence.

As long as there are quality guys in charge, the Pajeets make good workhorses. I work with a lot of them. Some of my American colleagues can be real prima donnas.

If they couldn't use h1-b guys they would still survive, or fail and be replaced by something that can.

Americans have to be brainwashed because they lack the critical thinking skills to grasp basic economic realities of the 21st century. This isn't an American century. America is a country of 300 million people, half of whom are likely too dumb to be trusted with a toaster. India and China have billions, so of course they're going to produce better talent by statistical chance alone. America NEEDS those talented individuals to drive us forward, to become our doctors, etc. This is about putting America first. This is why advocating for immigration restriction is socialism. If you want to adopt socialist policies like job entitlement, healthcare for all, don't expect this country to be around long at all. From the founding America has been about getting the cheapest labor (see: slavery) and using it to fuel our economy. Now, the slaves are white as well as black, but it's the same America.

this is literally what the San Francisco Giants did before they became 3x world series winners

They fostered their farm players instead of going out and trying to poach big talent or getting cheap dominicans

If that was really an option, it would have happened over a decade ago

Outsourcing is bad optics, though. Many companies go for "insourcing" AKA importing Indians

>free market
lol who gives a fuck

100% free market =/= maximum happiness

My firm hires out of college at 90k and we're not on the coasts. Granted, most of them are morons but it's the only way to attract top talent.

Pay well, but always be ready to fire quickly. Cream rises to the top.

And that is where you have gone and contradicted yourself. See, makin average cheap shit just to sell is a huge brake on innovation. Especially if, as is the case nowadays, all major companies do this. You're ready to sell the future of your country for pennies.