Unhackable Cars

What kinds of cars would be "safe" from remote control/hacking, Sup Forums? What year, as a general rule, would be a reliable cutoff? Feeling sketched out.

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I don't think my 2005 manual Nissan Sentra is hackable.

Anything 1995 or later has OBD. Obviously though anything with throttle-by-wire is more hackable though I would suppose.

I'm sure anything made before ECM's would probably be safe from most problems.

Most, not all.

~1990

Make sure it doesn't have ABS. ABS could be compromised by implanting a wireless device in the wiring harness

They'll just crash other cars into you. These savages have no care or respect for human life.

Anything old enough to not have electronic driving aids.

The best redpill car is an old mercedes diesel

>Built to a very high standard
>EMP proof
>No computers
>Can use any type of oil as fuel
>Good ground clearance and turning radius
>Dead sexy

Fine.

This is /ourcar/. A 1988 Toyota Tercel 4wd wagon.

To be truly unhackable you need one with a cam timing system.

all integrated circuits are compromised.

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Anything without drive by wire or some kind of network connection like Bluetooth.

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It's true
All of it

How easy would it be to remotely manipulate home appliances like ovens or water heaters to cause problems/explosions?

Does it have pedals?

ironically the safest car would be a brand new tesla. just drive around on autopilot 24/7, constantly go on about how you love autopilot, and if you crash watch as the media goes into a fit. tesla will take the log chip out of your car, find the disruption, and boom. 6 million shekel lawsuit against the NSA.

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any car with its own internal network and throttle by wire and electric variable steering seems like it would have potential
add in any car that has any kind of onstar type system or build in wifi or stuff like that

a car with a closed network and no way to send/recieve data should be ok unless someone gets physical access to it, onstar/wifi/bluetooth/whatever cars you never know

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Christ. Is it just me or am I seriously becoming a tinfoil hat type guy? Every conspiracy is coming true. Alex Jones was right. This nation is collapsing. We are living in the most historical time in history.

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you are living in shadowrun, soon you will be able to hack the traffic lights

>wireless device in the wiring harness
What do you mean by this?
I'm sure my 1990 Jap is absolutely unhackable.

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Anything with a carburetor

Faggot the CIA already can do that. They're going to kill us all.

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kill yourself

Before the 2016 election season, I had pretty much hung up my tinfoil hat altogether.

I'm back to wearing it 24/7. The paranoia seems objectively rational now.

>The best redpill car is an old mercedes diesel
I can honestly say that of all my cars over the years, my 85' 300d was the best. Idiot proof simple, and built to last. Also had an 83' 300SD, which is just a larger version....pretty much the same idea. Brutally simple. EVERYTHING ran off of vacuum.

My 83' had 280k when the odometer shit out over a decade prior to being sold as scrap. I estimated it to have well over 350k on it when the engine lost enough compression.
Planning on getting another project car after my taxes get back from the auditor.

>diesel
>Can use any type of oil as fuel

fuck you

HE MEANS SPLICING A CELLULAR CONTROLLED DEVICE INTO THE SIGNAL WIRES OF YOUR CAR

BUT IT WOULD LIKELY REQUIRE OVERWRITING THE FIRMWARE OF THE ABS CONTROL MODULE, WHICH IS EASY ENOUGH IF YOU HAVE THE MANUFACTURERS TECHNICAL DOCUMENTATION

nigga, I have an old w210 its turning radius is like of a Tank

and this fucker is at 300k km and not one problem except rusting like progeria

Old Ford Mustangs, and they can't be turned off the road anyway.

My 1971 cafe racer doesn't even need a fucking battery to run. The little 6v is only used for the headlight and tail light (turn signals not required by law in my state), so in theory I could eliminate the whole electrical system and just use stick-on LEDs.

Remember, if you really want to be safe, take the battery out of your phone or just do what I'm doing: leave it at home. Landline 2.0.

Why? Let's say you're cruising down the street in your sweet Pantera and you've got your phone on you. Somebody at the CIA doesn't like the fact that you banged his highschool crush, so he just has a 2019 Escalade smash into you from across the highway. Tragic drunk-driving accident.

No phones anymore, guys. We don't need Candy Crush Saga out in public anyway.

I mean CIA niggers could attach a simple device to manipulate signals to the ABS system in your car that operates over the cellular network.

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Basically yes.

>This is /ourcar/. A 1988 Toyota Tercel 4wd wagon.
I got one from 1983, fucking awesome car. Decent mileage, small but with lots of space to back your shit, extra low gear for hauling shit that should basically be impossible to haul with a car that size and with that weak engine.

And the mobility is great. Been driving in 2 feet deep snow on logging road and up from a ditch in the middle of winter when some other driver basically forced me of the road. Just made a big turn out into a field and floored it to get over the shoulder.

To bad it is made with some shit metal that is extremely susceptible to rust.

I've run mine off motor oil and vegetable oil before

Same here, I read all the conspiracies and thought they were mostly exaggerated and just paranoia but this shit has gotten extreme, everything that has come out. I can't believe some of it still it seems so unreal and fake but it's true. Times have gotten scary man.

anything carburated

w210 isn't what i'm talking about faggot

way too new

way too many computers

way too pigfat and ugly

w123 turns on a time by the way

shoestring express is unhackable and you'll get some exercise you fat fuck. God forbid you have to walk 5 minutes down the road to get a whopper with cheese.

I unironically own one of these.

Point ignition, pto winch, mudders. Feels good man!

I also had owned a couple of ct90s. Those would fit the bill too (look for ct110s though)

isnt that like... bad for the car ?

i've driven that shit once, my uncle asked me to drive it a bit since it's been in the garage for like a year.
the motherfucker literally set on fire i have never been more scared in my life

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Remember when independent hackers found a way to pwn the uConnect systems in all modern Chrysler/Dodges and remotely disable them, etc?

wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/

It's not a bug, it's a feature. They just found it a bit early. :3

Is my car hackable?

>the motherfucker literally set on fire i have never been more scared in my life

>he voluntarily got into a Yugo
you might as well speed up the process and jump off a cliff

ahh shit nigga meant w124

That's just the firewall

Unhackable

how long till the CIA starts hacking xenodata from our mitochondria?

WITH A MACHETE

Yeah, but said device would be found in the wreckage. That's the scary beauty of this kind of exploit: it's a root-level exploit of what's already supposed to be in the car, and there's no telltale signs of tampering like the metaphorical cut brake line.

>What kinds of cars would be "safe" from remote control/hacking, Sup Forums?

Old cars. Why the fuck is this even a thread?

>Can use any type of oil as fuel
The old mercedes straight 5cyl diesels can literally run on straight veggie oil. Some mix used motor oil as well.....If you have good compression you can burn just about any oil as a backup. Id not do it on the regular, but diesel was not available at just any gas station until the past 5 years when it popped up everywhere.

I have friends who run theirs from used kitchen oil.

Well an emp would shutdown any type of electronic/computer based ignition. So any car/bike that incorporates tech like this is susceptible.

Are bikes hackable? I have a Honda 1995 XR600R and I love it so much, will they still be able to suicide me?

$100 1993 Ford escort masterrace. Only 90,000 miles on it when I bought it from my elderly neighbor

dying to own a 73 corolla levin
unhackable

Not every single one of them through, the Ford Pinto is still a bomb on wheels, for example.

Bicycle seems pretty safe, in my city we have lots of rail to trail bike paths along the old train lines that rarely cross roads, and if you have a mountain bike you don't need a trail at all.

Realistically it's not something we need to worry about yet though, no one is going to risk exposing remote hijacking capabilities to kill shitposters like us. Fun topic though op.

I love the CT90/110 but am a hardcore kawasaki G-series fan. Same size and minibike fun factor, but a two stroke.

Is a 99 taco hackable?

>he doesn't already drive an unhackable machine

Is my car hackable?

Got a 93 toyota pickup and i think its pretty safe from remote hacking. Its got no power steering and it is manual transmission

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has probably servo so yes

see If you're riding your bike with your phone on you, you might as well have a target on your head. Even if they can't hack the bike, they can hack everybody around the bike.

NICE 7S BUT NO FAT CHICKS

yes

Why do you care? If your car isn't hackable, (((they))) will just crash an army truck into your car. If you survive that, they'll crash one into your ambulance. Ask Patton.

Sauce me senpai

user do a bit of research on biodiesel and how to manufacture it. You could literally make the shit in your kitchen. It's amazing. Arguably one of the best reasons to own a diesel.

Kek

>Well an emp would shutdown any type of electronic/computer based ignition. So any car/bike that incorporates tech like this is susceptible.
It might happen but every new car won't be shit, the metal body of the car might act like a Faraday cage and protect the computers and shit.

But OP is asking which car that can be hacked, like some one taking control of your steering and ramming you into another car. Like that thing that happened to Putins driver

If you don't have a retro fetish I highly recommend not driving old cars. Modern cars are "hackable" sure, but you won't be hacked. As someone working in the car industry I can guarantee you that it's way too much effort to somehow hack it. Even police can't do it (yet). On the other side you don't die easily just because you crash your car with 50km/h. With an 80s/90s car the chance of surviving is very much lower.

Talk shit about all those unnecessary gadgets in modern cars and their ugly design but you can't deny that they are much much more safe today.

>pic related number of dead people by car accidents

You mean remote hacking ? Only models with internet connection could be hacked. Basically anything after 2012. I have a model that has connection tontheninternetnI have a dedicated sim card for the car. Technically someone could hack in and remotly drive me of a bridge. As everything is controlled via the Computer including the steering wheel and the gas.

This is still best car.

Not really.
You won't produce as much power because alternative oils are not as energy dense as diesel.
A neighbor of mine runs an old Mercedes diesel off of used fry oil from his Jack in the Box franchise.
His exhaust smells like lunch.

Maybe if you are a cartoon.

Worked on an engine from one of those today at work, its more like a fucking motorcycle engine than a cars, tiny little thing.

Still I suppose it gets the job done

Can I wrap a servo in tinfoil?

basically anything carbureted & with a points ignition system

>he doesnt 924

Found a 5 year old pict of my 85'. I lost it to a deer strike.

The car certainly saved my life, because it was a sudden thing, and had I swerved Id have been over a small embankment and into a water reservoir.

I'd say anything that has a manual transmission is still OK to drive in this era. If they fuck with the ECU, you can always push in the clutch, hit the e-brake and turn the ignition off.

I'd say a very bad car to drive is something that's got a really complex infotainment system with an automatic transmission that's electronically controlled. Hack into the infotainment, hack into the PCM, set the throttle to 100% (all throttles are drive by wire these days) and lock the electronic tranny into D. Enjoy your ride!

I'd say the absolute worst car to drive would be a Tesla. Those things have way WAY too much computers in them for no other reason than to have them for glamor. AVOID.

Ideal would be something from the 60s or 70s. Everything was mechanical back then. Cable throttle, carburetion, hydraulically controlled shifting on the tranny. Good luck finding one from that era that's still running or not a collector car though.

Still driving my 1988 Peugeot 405. 378000 km and still going strong. Starts almost instantly, every time.

look, a 2-stroke
that's what she said about the owner

Just got myself a 1980 RX-7, pretty satisfied so far. I think the russians might be trying to cast slavic voodoo on it though in an attempt to hack it.

Well shutdown vs hacking I get it, but in the end if you can't go where you want when you want it's the same damn thing to me. I think you can even focus the pulse to target individual vehicles.

Lol it needs to linked to a reciever to "hack it". Canbus 2006 or later with a Sat nav system would work because the cars sensors can be read to gauge position speed etc.

On star, for info+ etc, super easy with the NSA tool kit.

Avoid anything with drive by wire, electronic ebrake, or electric power steering and you are good to go.

Easily hacked by rust, desu.

Magneto ignition revival! :D

I don't own anything made before 1979. It's nice to be able to do 100% of the work on your own vehicle and keep it running indefinitely.

As someone working in the information security industry, let me tell you it isn't "too much effort" to hack a car. See: wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/

>isnt that like... bad for the car ?

the biggest issue burning veggie oil is people tend to get used veggie oil from fryers like McDs or where ever and unless you strain it well you'll clog your fuel filter faster than normal
if the oil is really dirty you'll plug it quick
removing the filter can lead to plugged injectors
also a lot of used veggie oil has collected water from the frozen shit thrown in it so that should be drained off the top
also in really cold areas used veggie oil gets really thick and pretty unusable unless you have a heater setup in the oil tank to keep it flowing

i've seen an older merc that was converted to veggie oil and i shit you not, standing behind it while it was running smelled like McD's french fries

If they want to kill you they will just take control over your steering and make a full turn into oncoming traffic, over a cliff or into a tree when you're going 70+ mph yourself. You won't have time to push the clutch or anything.

Any car that has drive by wire steering is a big no.

2008 Toyota Yaris master race. 35-40 mpg, manual transmission, and no satellite/internet/gps uplink.

I feel like you guys want to get me killed.
I have never seen anyone do that in my entire life.