Why did America lose in Vietnam?

Why did America lose in Vietnam?

Serous answers only please.

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We tried to fight a war for war's sake, while the Vietnamese were protecting their sanctity of life from invaders.

user boards are not the best place to ask such questions. I am sure that Quora will have much better answers.

But, here is an attempt: It would be surprising if they had won.

The reality of the Cold War era and of today is that small armed groups can indefinitely keep on causing harm. This means that the battle is asymmetrically costly for the invader.

Don't get me wrong, American Navy is the largest armed forces in the world, and if they wanted to walk from one end of Vietnam to the other, they could do that any day of the week. But the problem is what comes after - ground troops of the invader will keep incurring loss of human life and resources constantly.

So USSR entering Afghanistan, USA entering Iraq, USA entering Vietnam all proved to be defeats - it is not purely a USA phenomenon.

Also keep in mind that the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan was followed by a disastrous fracture of the USSR in less than 10 years. That was one of the two superpowers of the Cold War era. If the comparison holds to the other superpower and the Iraq War, this gives USA less than ten years before fracturing.

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Our cocks were too big to fit in those little manlet tunnels they used, so we couldn't chase them.

We 'lost' because we based our war off of body counts and not territories. But hey, it got a SHIT ton of gooks killed... but the end-goal wasn't met either way.

So who really did win Vietnam? It seems both sides lost tbqhwyf.

advances in recording and broadcasting tech gave the public a gruesome image of the war which turned them against the effort

>We tried to fight a war for wars sake
Nah, we were fighting those damned commies and spreading freedom. That's why we lost, we were trying to win hearts and minds instead of trying to win a war.

You ever been to Hanoi? You can buy a McDonalds, some coke, and a hooker and take all three back to a five start hotel. For dollars.

Ideologically we destroyed those stupid gooks. Viet communism is deader than an atheists social calender.

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It's because of the hippies desu

The Vietcong did a huge offensive against all the major South Vietnamese cities that was a military disaster for them. They were effectively knocked out of the war and the North Vietnamese Army proper had to fill in for them

However it was a political/propaganda victory for the commies, because after that everyone here started to be against the war, and the commies decided to press on hoping that we'd get tired and leave

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tet_Offensive

guerrilla warfare works.

look at every such conflict since

they were winning and then the public turned against the army and became commie lover

tl;dr: fuk hippies

CIA niggers wanted to establish a drug trade and once they succeeded we left

too many liberals crying back home

They were pussies

>inb4 but user you can't nuke an entire country just because you're butt hurt over having your butt kicked by a few commie farmer gooks

That's exactly what you can do

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The USSR was on much shakier footing than the US has ever been. Russians are not Anglos. Vietnam was just a political defeat, since nearly every engagement was a tactical victory for the US. There's a reason their death count is in the millions while ours is in the tens of thousands.

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adding on to this answer, the southern Vietnamese forces/gov were really really fucking corrupt and inept, they were propped up by the US artificially for a long time when the North should have beaten them a long time ago.

Idk why people meme that America lost. The K/D ratio was like 10/1.

The same reason Britain failed to defeat the U.S. in our revolution.

Big dicked military flopping it around in some boonies owned by rednecks who are getting armed and funded by rival militaries tend to get fucked up by said rednecks because the rednecks know the area better, and there's rarely any morale once you're the size of 18th century Britain or mid 20th century America to keep going.

The news.
Seriously, we would've won had the news done the same job they did in WWII.

The PTB failed to consider the impact the television would have on the Public. Nor did they realise the extent to which the American media was infiltrated with actual communists.

Essentially it was a war that the media and the American people lost. In the war itself we were winning. If you look at American casualties versus Vietnamese casualties it was a complete blowout in that regard, something like 200,000 allied deaths vs over one million Vietnamese deaths. Only 58,000 of those deaths were American soldiers.

But it was a very unpopular war back at home. There were massive protests and the media constantly blasted the government over the war. Eventually the government was forced to pull out of the war not only because of pressure by the American people but also because it was ultimately a pointless war that we had no business in being involved in.

Lack of political will in terms of both prosecuting the war to fullest and continuing it as well as south Vietnamese incomptence

Militarily, it was a victory all across the board. The war was a political loss.

1. North Vietnamese and Viet Kong had a fallback zone in Loas & Cambodia into which they could retreat and recuperate and the US was mostly unable to chase after them into these countries ensuring an never ending flow of combatants and supplies.

2. Guerilla warfare

3. Morale problems and lack of support on the home front.

4. Unclear goals to begin with.

>Serous answers only please.

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The hippie movement was in full swing, the population was war-weary after WW2, then Korean War, and then another war.
Not to mention the draft, getting sent overseas to some gook jungle to fight against commies doesn't sound very patriotic right? The average age of those sent was just 19 years old.
Then you have the media focusing on the brutality and intensity of the conflict, the use of Agent Orange and napalm, etc, etc.
As for the military part, despite the US achieving tactical victories overall, it turns out occupying and pacifying the local population is much harder and resource intensive than thought, experience which would prove invaluable during Iraq and Afghanistan.

A combination of all these factors led to the US pulling out, and the Vietnam War declared a failure.

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When you start a war to justify dropping white phosphorus on communists while listening to Ceedence Clearwater Revival

1. didn't use full offensive from the start
2. decided it was going to be an easy battle
3. sent in basic troops and basic support with basic supplies

Because the American soldiers weren't immunized in third world diseases, so they contracted Yellow Fever which made them weak in the knees.

Also, the Vietnamese had very high morale because they were fighting to secure the existence of their people and a future for Vietnamese children.

the goal was never to win vietnam. the usa could have easily taken the north, but what then? if the usa did take control over the entirety of vietnam there's a very real possibility that this could ignite ww3 and get china and then the soviets to declare war on us

>Vietnam today
>Capitalist
>Hates China
>Loves America

Who said we lost?

word around the office is you've got a fat cock

I would rape her long time
tfw you will never kill a vietcong commie and take his wife and daughter as your concubines.

Guys, just a heads-up.

Current life here is pretty shit thanks to commies running the whole place.
(without the econ reforms in the 80s we'd probably end up like Venezuela)

America did not lose Vietnam. My god the revisionist history that goes on....Jesus

We chose not to win

Thats the literal answer, we actually managed to get within a few miles of the NVA HQ but chose not to push the attack because hippy fags back home

Any answer that is not that is nigger tier

Anyone trying to refute this is just jerking themself off

(you) thought about that for a long time, didn't you Manny ? how many posts waited to post it ?

>finally, it's over

Essentially the US was trying to fight a war palatable to public opinion. When public opinion changed it wasn't worth it anymore.

Besides, fly to Vietnam now and they have McDonalds, The Gap, Coca Cola, Hollywood movies and American music.

Well my dad said it was division in the USA that caused us to stop fighting it I agree with him partially. He served during the war and still regrets that we didn't win.

Gimme dat source.

Never fully committed

Modern firearms made numbers matter more than ever and they had high numbers
Also leftists ruining everything

1. War of attrition yet unwilling to quell the entire population
2. Industrial War, immense waste of bombs.

Jewish media manipulation and propaganda, to turn public opinion against the war, and in favor of communism, that being the eternal jews' end goal. Vietnam was a curbstomp in favor of the USA, and the only reason it lasted nearly as long as it did, was because the commies were willing to throw infinite penniless peasant bodies into the meat grinder.

Actually we just went home.

I don't think the Vietnam war was really any less palatable than any other war. The cause was betrayed by leftist/commie media.

They almost didn't

They pushed the vietcong up to the Chinese border, but China mobilized and the US decided they couldn't defeat China in Vietnam and left.

Not to mention moral at home was terrible already.

prolonged war = mo shekels.
failed war = blame conservatives.
vietnam war was part of laying the foundation for the future left steering of america

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Serious answer OP.

The USA lost for two main reasons:

1) The North Vietnamese had unbelievable tunnels which allowed for behind the lines guerrilla fights.
2) The Chinese were committed to providing fighter after fighter with no let up. The number of humans lost by the North did not matter to the Chinese. This strategy wore down the US and South Vietnamese' willingness to continue.

It's not about the size of the dog in the fight, it's about the size of the fight in the dog.

Vietnam at the time simply had more fight. Vietnamese were tired of French, then Japs, then US messing around on their soil. And then the Chinese also faced defeat after the US left.

>t. Gook.

If you wanna be technical, their were 2 Vietnamese civil wars, the one we were in and the one in which NK obliterated SK right when we left.

However the reasons we lost was because:
>NK had soviet and chinese support to match US and Nato support
>War fatigue in the US
>Media that, empowered by the age of television, made the war much more dramatic and gut-wrenching, either consciously or unconsciously making the average American hate or dislike the war
>The War was synonymous with LBJ, who fractured the democratic party, and Nixon, who was Nixon
>propaganda for the war was absolute shit in the post-WW2 age where everyone was worrying about 'too-much' nationalism


all in all, it was the NK's dragging out the war and fatigue from home that cost us the first Vietnamese civil war

Because the Vietnamese were fighting the colonisation of their country, while Amerika is fighting to colonise Vietnam.

Nationalism vs liberalism.
No competition.

Walter Cronkite lied to the American public about the Tet offensive and it went downhill from there.

What lies did he tell?

We gave up.

fact of the day:
Vietnam has a gold star for winning a war against france and usa while being behind in tech
All other gold stars are LARPers

Vietnam is probably safer and more pro-American than Western Europe.

Pretty much this, keep in mind we fought the Vietnamese during the rise of the New Left and the roots of progressive media were taking place. Faggots like Cronkite costed us the war, whereas Vietnam had nationalism on their side. We technically didn't lose, we lost because we stayed in the war without finishing it.

Basically, we started out fighting the commies with the French (Vietnam was a French colony). After the French gave up, we decided to both fight a war and nation build - same thing happened in Korea.

What cost us the war was an oddity. The Tet Offensive was difficult for us, but devastating for the commies; to the.point they were discussing surrender. Well, Walter Cronkite reported we lost the battle, and Lindon B Johnson, fearing political fallout in some demographics for the Democrats, pulled out. Which further devastated Vietnam as the villagers built anything that could float and fled into the ocean. Many thousands died on the seas, many thousands died from the commies, and all because Walter Cronkite reported a lie.

And the nation building was really expensive. Democrats didn't care about the cost back then when their guys were in charge; same as today.

>implying you can lose when there is no wincon
Haha, good one. That shit fest went exactly as intended. It was a way to sell arms and military equipment and it did it very well. It was, in every capacity, a complete success. Every objective was achieved. The only people who think otherwise are retarded idealists who think it was about anything other than furthering corporate interests.

Some would save no polical will in Washington


I'd say why did British lose the American revolution

>they didnt

There doesn't seem to be a very consistent narrative as to what happened in Vietnam in 1975

The Americans never "lost" the Vietnam war. They defeated the VC, but left the south to defend itself from the NVA.

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We gave up.

In a true war of attrition, the US would have won eventually, but no one wanted to spend WW1 level causalities over some Asian Backwater no one ever cared about to begin with.

American industry made a mint on ordnance, we got to test loads of weaponry and field medicine, and they gave up on communism within 15 years anyway

All of our wars since WW1 are for the Jews, at least this one didn't give them any permanent benefit like some of the other ones we fared "better" in

Jews, Niggers, Drugs.

American Troops weren't trained very well for jungle survival, didn't know the terrain, and didn't expect the booby traps. Underestimated the enemy.

Support for the war was low back home, so morale was bad. That didnt help.

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we had retarded rules, and the Vietnamese did not have rules.

Because leftists on college Campuses together with the media started to shiling for the communists.

Asian master race. You white folks are born white like the flag of defeat.

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Because they left due to people at home being limp wrist liberals and crying that soilders are doing there jobs I.E getting killed in jew wars.

Says the tranny nation.

And you can have a vodka in every joint in America. What's your point?

for you

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We didn't want it badly enough. You might say the victory wasn't worth all the fallout from what we'd have to do to achieve it.

But on a more serious note, our army has never been very good at occupying nations full of hostile natives. We can go in and knock down just about any standing force in short order but that's about all we're good at aside from just having a huge military force.

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America didn't really lose to North Vietnam. The US wanted to send a message to any countries thinking about converting to Communism that they would have a long, drawn out war wherein even if they beat the US they would suffer considerable casualties if they ever decided to actually convert. How many countries converted to Communism after Vietnam? None. Nobody wanted to get involved in that kind of war.

It's the same reason why the US "lost" the war in the middle-east. You can't win when you can't completely wipe out your enemy. An ally looks like an enemy, you have to tread lightly. Meanwhile they can maim and kill anyone they like because they are animals. The only way you can win is by complete decimation and destruction. Plus those fucking guys were in the trees and shit.

America sucks it's own dick.

>JEW

Too many qt VC hookers, sweet sweet Nam smack, muh hearts and minds and a shitty plan with no clear idea of where to go.

Public turned against it and dense foliage.

In theory we could have agent oranged the whole fucking north to the ground and cleared their rat tunnels the easy way but conscription turned public sentiment to the point where the proxy wasn't worth it anymore

I was under the impression that we never lost or won
We just kinda packed our shit and left after killing millions and only losing 50k or so soldiers
We didn't want to piss of China since we kinda needed them, hence why we couldn't bomb them really. The vietkong was just a never ending stream of soldiers with no real diplomatic system so there was no real way of surrender from them we would literally have to kill every single last one of them to "win"
Same thing in iraq, we aren't fighting a countries military, we are fighting insurgents who are too stupid to know when to give up, so once you reach a stalemate it's kinda in your best interest to stop slaughtering them and just walk away

Kinda like arguing with a retard, if they keep saying "no you" and you just decide to walk away you didn't "lose"

Correct me if I'm wrong, leaves not apply