The Free Market will Bring Healthcare Costs Down

Trump's healthcare plan

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the free market never made anything affordable

..said the leaf using his Internet-connected computer.

>Obamacare lite
>Free market

Pick one

Faggot leaf says as he is posting on the internet, probably using a cheap phone like a typical leaf shitskin phoneposter

This is good news. Buguers will pay an arm and a leg for healthcare. And we laugh about it.

I'm sorry, but if you actually believe this, then fuck you.

You are fucking retarded.

Rand Paul's plan is better

ammended:
the free market never made any form of care affordable

Healthcare in the US was certainly affordable prior to the 1930s (under the lodge system). It was only when the medical lobby demanded government protection that things began to get out of control.

I dont really know anything about that but
>the medical lobby
sound like they're gonna be a factor this time too

Yes they are, because they're supported by millions of leftists who want extreme regulations.

The US had the best healthcare in the world without them. Hospitals try to be the best even when you don't force them to be. It's called self interest.

This is just one of several levels of fuckery buried in this so-called "plan."

The Affordable Care Act provides tax credits that help make health insurance affordable. These tax credits are much higher for people with lower incomes. The House GOP bill would replace these credits that does nothing to account for income disparities.

Under the House GOP bill, individuals earning less than $75,000 (or a couple earning $150,000) will receive a lump sum tax credit based solely on their age. This credit starts at $2,000 for people under 30, and grows to $4,000 for people over 60.

That's pretty good news for affluent consumers, who will now receive a considerable amount of financial assistance from the federal government. Think of a 25 year-old who would pay ~$3400/year under the GOP proposal. Even if this man is a Harvard-graduate earning just under $75,000 a year, he would still receive a tax credit that would pay for all but $1,400 of his average annual premium.

Now consider a 60 year-old woman who is barely able to provide for herself and her husband on $30,000 a year. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation's Health Insurance Marketplace Calculator, obtaining a fairly basic level of coverage for both this woman and her husband would cost $18,382 a year.

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Under Obamacare, all but $1,755 of this annual cost is currently covered by tax credits. Under the House GOP plan she is stuck for $14,382, or about half of her annual income.

Their children ... or SOMEbody (such as grandchildren, etc.) ... would then be stuck with paying an "elderly tax" to subsidize all of their remaining life costs. For the rest of their lives, during which it would only get more expensive every year. This doesn't cover any deductable costs ($5,000-$12,000 minimum per year) plus all miscekkaneous dryg and equipment costs.

In 2020 medicaid is obliterated, so no assistance possible there. Medicare is designed to be eliminated under the GOP plan by approximately 2035, so no help there either.

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and, also:

The trump bill is worse for people nearing retirement, thanks to a separate provision permitting insurers to charge more to older individuals.

Older patients are, due to their advanced age, more likely to have serious health problems, and thus more expensive to insure. The Affordable Care Act accounts for this fact by allowing insurers to charge older customers three times as much as their youngest consumers.

The House GOP bill would increase this age band, allowing insurers to charge older customers five times as much. Thus, the $18,382 a year premium facing the 60 year-old woman described above is likely to be much higher if health insurers are given more freedom to hike premiums on older patients.

You may have noticed that the above critiques of the House GOP bill do not include certain crucial details, like the cost of the bill or the number of Americans who will lose coverage if it becomes law. There’s a reason for this.

Typically, a bill overhauling much of the nation’s health care system would be reviewed by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), which would examine both its impact on the deficit and its impact on the uninsurance rate. Until recently, however, House Republican leaders literally kept their bill in a room in the basement of an office building near the Capitol, where it could not be read by the public (or, apparently, by Democratic lawmakers).

Though the bill has since escaped its basement prison, it has not been reviewed by the CBO. Nevertheless, two House committees plan to consider the bill on Wednesday—despite not having crucial data on what it does.

It only took 8 years for Republicans to com up with this gem, yet nobody has ever seen it before now and they are pushing the vote through within a week without any public debate, discussion or input.


Sort of gets the ol'e stem cells dividing.


Google "Medicare Part D" and how that was passed for more entertainment.

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>Now consider a 60 year-old woman who is barely able to provide for herself and her husband on $30,000 a year.

What an obscure random scenario. Fuck off libshit were never getting the single payer you crave. If you dont like this new plan the GOP will just turn around and pass a plan that guts obamacare more.

>trumpcare™

Oy Vey!!! Why doesn't Trump release his taxes?!!!

>..said the leaf using his Internet-connected computer.
Average download speed in socialist Sweden=17.4 mb/s
Average download speed in USA=12.6 mb/s

And said computer is built entire out of parts assembled from dirt cheap communist labor

>Yes they are, because they're supported by millions of leftists who want extreme regulations.

A lot of the regulations exists for a pretty good reason, you better have some examples on these "extreme regulations" because it's common for free-market fundamentalists to complain about them but fail to actually address any of them. Healthcare services can't operate on a honor system, freedom of choice and "the invisible hand" are clearly not enough.

>obscure random scenario

Of which there are probably more than 10,000,000 cases currently in the U.S. More and more new very similar cases each year due to an aging population.

In fact, the aging population over 60 is much worse off, and there's even more of them.

Then consider everyone age 50 and older today and we're talking 50 million up to 80 million in the coming decades.

This "plan" is a Death Panel plan designed to kill off people who are trying to retire, or otherwise destroy the family finances of their children and grandchildren. It's an abomination constructed of pure evil.

mises.org/blog/how-government-regulations-made-healthcare-so-expensive

A slightly clearer picture.

Everybody who is about 25 years old today (in this graph) will be 40 and older in 2030, then 50 and older in 2040.

Try finding a credible source.

> pro-tip: ALT-RIGHT astroturf blogs don't count as "credible"

No there's not 10 million women making 30,000 dollars a year and having to support a husband who I suppose makes nothing. Such a person would have access to a variety of Medicaid and likely state healthcare options unless you're telling me these costly programs are worthless and should be scraped as well.

I get that you love single payer but that's never happening, especially under the GOP. Obamacare is done. It doesn't work. The question you need to ask yourself now rather than being a partisan hack is ''would i prefer to keep some of what Obamacare offered or will I stand in the way of this new plan and risk all of Obamacare being dismantled?'' Because that whats on the table now.

Try discrediting the points written there. All of those regulations reduce supply and increase demand.

>what is span and infrastructure

Fucking retard

Why dont you post the reddit link you're copying all this from?

Nobody would have even invented a computer in your communist hellhole. They'd be fixing the state's tractors or serving as special advisor to the glorious leader.

The idea that something like the smart-phone, a device that would have been completely priceless even 10 years ago, hasn't been made cheaper by the free market is insanity.

And it's not like the population density of sweden is way higher than the US or anything...

>Copy an entire post blog from thinkprogress
>Claim my sources are not credible

thats what drove cost to the point they are at now lol

conservatives are literal shit eaters that gobble up whatever politicians tell them is good for them

It's posts like this that tell me Sup Forums is 80% maximum 20 year olds.

You believe it, because you have no personal experience that goes against the saying you want to believe in the first place. You can't accuse of the mythical SJWs and liberals of living in bubbles when you live in one yourself.

>assembled from dirt cheap communist labor
God bless. What does this have to do with anything? That's how the free market works, it fucks communism right in ramming hole.

You should actually try reading. You just look like a fucking spittle-flecked retard at this point.

There are about 80 million Americans aged 60 and older right now.

The trumpcare plan takes Medicaid out in 2020. Almost all assistance is removed during 2020 and immediately after, then Medicare starts getting defunded and will be about eliminated around 2030.

Further, healthcare money gets rationed to each state in absolute dollar amounts per individual based upon costs in 2016, with no increases. Unless states begin healthcare taxes by 2020, that money will gradually get eliminated completely with nothing else to fall back on.

The "plan" is pure evil fuckery.

The Republican Death Panel Plan.

You should really spend some time reading up on it. You have a couple days before the Republican Congress puts it to a vote and then sends it on to trump for signing.

It's designed to blow up in 2020 and afterward.

>Posts a thinkprogress blogpost
>No link or citation
>expects to be taken seriously

Again do you want to save some of obamacare or do you want it all to go away? Those are the only options your going to get in a world ruled by the GOP. Its time to drop your partisanship and think pragmatically. You can either keep some of what you want or lose it all, those are your options.

>Those are the only options your going to get in a world ruled by the GOP.

Oh fuck off Repulitard, this plan is going to piss so many people off the GOP won't be in power again until 2040 if they are lucky.

Yes. GOP voters think it doesn't go far enough in repealing obamacare. You libshits dont even realize this is the soft concession plan. Its only going to get more painful for you from here on out.

>The Free Market will Bring Healthcare Costs Down
just like it did before obamacare, ayyyy

Yeah, they'll be so mad when the costs of insurance decrease.

You need to go back to /r

This

>Cost of insurance decreases with the GOP retard plan.

Sorry, not taking any sort of financial advice from a Spaniard.

WELL THAT SOUNDS TERRIBLE

LETS JUST HAVE A CIVIL WAR AND KILL EACH OTHER

IF EVERYONE IS DEAD YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HEALTHCARE

Crying because the removal of gibmedats will sure show me your financial expertise.

>implying any nation has a free market

WELL I CHECKED REDDIT POLITICS FOR AN UNBIASED INFORMED ANSWER

AND EVERYONE HATES IT LITERALLY EVERYONE

NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON

NOT ONE.

NOT EVEN TRUMP LIKES IT