Early Reports Indicate That Everyone, Literally EVERYONE, Hates the Republican Health Care Plan

slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/03/07/the_reviews_are_in_paul_ryan_s_obamacare_plan_makes_everyone_want_to_barf.html

>Congressional Republicans led by right-wing think tank test-tube baby Paul Ryan have been claiming for a solid eight years to be putting the finishing touches on a workable alternative to Obamacare. On Monday, Paul Ryan finally, really unveiled an Obamacare replacement bill. Everyone hates it.

>No, seriously. Obviously liberals/leftists/Democrats were almost certainly not going to like it no matter what, and indeed, there has been nary a whisper of a rumor that even the most moderate Dems are interested in voting for the bill. But what's been really remarkable is how much heat it's gotten immediately from both the moderate and hard-line and insider and grassroots segments of Ryan's own party.

>Congressional libertarians Justin Amash and Rand Paul are against it because it's "Obamacare Lite," i.e., still involves the federal government more heavily than they'd like in paying for low-income Americans' health care.

>The Club for Growth conservative economic policy group is likewise against it because it isn't "free-market" enough.

>Same with the Koch brothers' activist groups.

>And the Tea Party Patriots group.

>And conservative Utah Sen. Mike Lee.

>Meanwhile, Ohio Sen. Rob Portman, Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski, West Virginia Sen. Shelley Moore Capito, and Colorado Sen. Cory Gardner don't like it because it harms Medicaid too much, i.e., doesn't involve the federal government heavily enough in paying for low-income Americans' health care.*

>And the conservative policy writers linked to in this Jonathan Chait piece simply don't think it's coherently or competently designed.

>But other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the rollout of your Affordable Care Act repeal-and-replace legislation?

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Did you two even read the article?

why cant we just repeal obamacare and replace with nothing?

get government outa medical care?

de regulate

fire all the regualtors and irs wiseguys

Do you really want massive preexisting condition rejections to come back? Because that's how you get it

Well yeah Ryan has always failed us. Why would he want to start winning now.

As they should. It really is Obamacare Lite, with subsidies, Medicaid expansion, individual mandate (instituted by the insurance companies instead of the government), pre-existing conditions, etc. In other words, we need Republican Congressmen and Senators to reject this bill wholesale and go back to the drawing board. Let's get it right this time.

how many people died before this because they couldnt get treated for preexisting conditions

The autistic screeching from the shortsighted "WTF this KILLS POOR PEOPLE" left will be deafening. Repubs are terrified of the inevitable sob stories. If you thought those ICE deportations were bad, oh boy.

It is easy to open her box. It is far harder to put Pandora back in.

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I like it.

They should! We didn't vote for RyanCare we voted for Trump and the healthcare plan he rallied on and bullet pointed on his website.

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Why not just switch to publicly funded healthcare?

> slate

it's fake news. just say no.

Daily reminder that Medicare For All is the ONLY valid replacement to Obamacare. It is the only way for Trump to truly "cover everybody" as he promised during his campaign.

>Why not just switch to publicly funded healthcare?

Because everything, and I mean everything, revolves around money.

she was already fucking ugly

*cannot unsee*

fuck your shit taste in humor sucks doggy dick

Because that would make too much sense.

if politicians hate it then it must be good

get rid of Paul Ryan, anything he touches has been blessed by (((them)))

All of these faggots are so scared of the next elections...Everyone is fooling themselves if they think anything will happen anytime soon with healthcare.

I agree so long as we get negotiated low prices for drugs, we pay 10x what other nations pay for the same drugs

That's exactly what Bernie's platform ran on.

berniesanders.com/issues/fighting-to-lower-prescription-drug-prices/

private charity yo
and lower med prices due to competition
I knoiw u commies love to fuk the tax payer
fuk u
you thieves
you scum

fuk u commy
you should b given helicopter ride

>slate

Ask your masters at Shareblue for more creditable sources.

Exactly
That's the problem with this bill. Republicans are just as divided as Democrats because they're all scared of their constituents

Trump's term limits bill would fix this. Can't come fast enough

I need a quick rundown

Why can't we run hospitals in this nation like our fire departments or police departments? Let cities and counties run them. Get the feds out.

yes i do

government isnt a tool to subjugate others to pay for your shit

NgL, I'd wreck that little brown chick.

why'd they make Rand taller?

That's cute sweetie.

While i agree with the message get real, Dr paul was the first iteration of sanders except he didn't sell out. Dr. Paul holds as much political capital as alex jones.

pills are cheap to manufacture and invent

ie: penicillin, aspirin before big pharma

return to the penicillin days

deregulate by allowing generics

the scamming comes from:
monopolistic licenses
billion $$ clinical trials that impede development and increase costs

go to canada, mexico, norway, iceland, switzerland, japan, israel, brazil... you get alot cheaper prices than US

US is ~400million ppl, it is an economy of scale, production of pills is pennies

the cost is hyperinflated by useless greedy speculators/investors and the FDA that set expensive trials

before the Rockefeller/Nixon/Kissinger depopulation policies, new revolutionary drugs like penicillin, aspirin were given to the people right away and for cheap, no expensive FDA clinical trials


old drugs being repurposed for new stuff are also being marked up 20000%
ie: antibiotic Thalidomide from 1940s was pennies before repurposed for cancer, now costs $10,000

Lets get rid of 85%+ of illegals, strengthen our borders and toss in a able bodied work clause and it might be considered.

you can do alot of things

but you got an entire hoard of business guys leeching, since its a fuckin business

if your healthcare system was treated & funded like Japan's public education it would be covered by local house/sales taxes and accessible to everyone

instead it is a parasitic business that bleeds your nation dry

healthcare is not a business it should be handled and funded like military or (Japan's) public education

aka nationalized

meanwhile in Egypt...

The Egyptian government gave the military a license to establish a pharmaceuticals company. According to the prime mister’s decree, the National Authority for Military Production, which is affiliated to the Egyptian Armed Forces, will establish the Egyptian National Company for Pharmaceutical Products. The announcement came after President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi called upon the military to play a bigger role in major infrastructure projects and in the distribution of subsidized goods. While this step could be seen as a solution to the shortage of a large number of drugs and the soaring prices of available ones, it also heats the already-existing debate on the army’s control of the Egyptian economy.


Egypt nationalizes pharma
Egypt’s military entering the pharmaceutical industry

Lower costs first and then you can say that. America is already paying more than anyone else. Taking personal accountability out isn't going to solve that problem.

>libertarian is the first iteration of a socialist

epik.............

how cute.....

just let the government run it!! thatll fix all our problems

lets just use the government to steal from people and force people to provide goods and services to me for less than their true market value

grow the fuck up and learn economics

>Voluntarily losing brain cells

Why? It seems like a really good compromise between the two parties. This just comes to show how fucking stupid the 2 party system is. every election it's back and forth.

>right-wing think tank test-tube baby

>a really good compromise
>government-run healthcare is fine as long as everyone gets along and compromises
>le pragmatism xdddd

>slate

should be b& to post a link here desu senpai

It's not government run. Yeah there's still medicaid, but it opens up competition between the states, so it'd probably become really cheap. I don't see a problem

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>(((Sources)))

>lets just use the greedy corporations to steal from people and force people to provide goods and services to me for less than their true market value

wait...

the same gov't that sent chimps into space?
the same gov't that dropped fat burgers on Hiroshima?
the same gov't that invented the interwebz?
the same gov't that funds globalism, never ending wars, and occupies continents?

that same gov't is incapable of a healthcare system?

They have a low incentive to do it cost efficiently.

THIS BILL DOES NOT OPEN UP COMPETITION BETWEEN THE STATES AT ALL

READ THE THING YOU FUCKING DRONE

THEY LEFT THAT OUT

>Paul Ryan finally, really unveiled an Obamacare replacement bill. Everyone hates it. No, seriously.

The way she writes is insufferable. What a hack!

rekt

Voluntary transactions of goods and services is not theft

>wahhh its costs money to buy things wahhhhh

The true market value is EXACTLY what you agreed to when you bought health insurance. Learn fucking economics.

>omg daddy government feed me clothe me omg i love u gov solve all my problems for me
>did i mention im also a revolutionary thats going to drain_the_swampTM and fugg over the establishment??!! lol xd

so this is the power of /r/the_Donald/ ....

I said this 10 minutes after it was released. It was a horrible sign that the bill was 123 pages, even compared to the 11k page obamacare. Every single one of these bills should be written in plain English and under 10 pages

indeed, in a profit/greed motivated society it is not practical to provide cost-efficiency

its retarded excuses and outright sabotage cause they already have a successfull model funding system to successfully support healthcare, ie: military/education

>in a profit/greed motivated society it is not practical to provide cost-efficiency

this statement is actually entirely false

you're actually fucking retarded

I can't tell who's flatter.

>Literally
Discarded.

>implying it's not going to go through massive revisions and they want the process to be transparent

Too many.

you mad cause you're wrong?

it is not the final product, the reconcilliation bill that is part of this new proposal allows the government to change big parts of obamacare and it will be a long drawn out process which will be revised many times to satisfy everyone

Fuck off, I just finished residency and worked too hard to just become a shitty government employee.

There should only be 2 sentences needed to "replaced" Obamacare.

1. Pre-existing conditions are covered, unless the condition can not improve (like down syndrome)

daily reminder obamacare IS a a republican health care plan

Great. Then switch to public healthcare. Because it would be a fuck lot cheaper than what you're doing now. Your system is still more expensive to the government than countries with universal healthcare.

That's why they have no replacement. Any "competent" changes the Republicans wanted they already made before Obamacare was rolled out.

There's nothing left for them to change. Or nothing that they want changed.

Nothing you've posted has any basis in reality. Please cry about the holocaust somewhere else

Private healthcare still exists in countries with universal healthcare. It's "luxury healthcare." Doctors are paid twice as much, patients are treated like they're at a spa rather than a hospital. Private healthcare from what I see in america just means you "probably" won't get an infection.

That's because Americans are so unhealthy, and greater expenses actually leads to better outcomes in R&D. Also there's much less of an incentive for the best minds to be doctors/nurses/technicians.

No i mean a radical platform that isn't close enough to the status quo. The way they where treated by the press but, ofcourse your retard brain has to come out and think im making a false equivalancy because you know main stream libertarians are useless.

>daily reminder obamacare IS a a republican health care plan

Obama was a Republican

A completely privatized healthcare system cannot take care of everyone. Those who cannot afford it will be excluded. Who will take care of our homeless veterans on the streets suffering from dehabilitating mental illnesses like PTSD, depression and traumatic brain injury (TBI)?

>A completely privatized healthcare system cannot take care of everyone.

Or exist. There literally is not libertarian Ayn Rand healthcare system on the planet. Burgers don't seem to get this, like guns.

I'd like insurance but I'm being jew'd by the health insurance companies

What do you like about the plan?

Wtf I love Republicans now

It's almost like they deliberately made Obamacare impossible to fix, and the only way to address it would be to push it into single-payer territory.

Pretty brilliant chess game going on there.

Nah, Paul is what lead this board to Trump. God bless them both.

fpbp

>its a damn shame our representatives have to represent the people
>we should just make them dictators

They should have just waited a year and let Obamacare premiums continue to rise.

Republicans are absolute retards with regards to managing PR

I can't believe I've lived to see the day when Sup Forums turns on Ron Paul... fucking nu/pol/

Theres an infinite amount of content on the internet and you expect me to read this shit

It's 4d chess, Trump is allowing the cucks to put their bill forward first. The democrats will freak out, the real republicans will freak out, their will be a huge fight and then Trump's real bill will be the compramise. By then everyone will be sick of the issue and it will sail through congress.

stupid election hype never ended

Eh, pre-existing conditions should be covered, but insurers are allowed to group those with pre-existing conditions into their own risk pool and charge them accordingly. The entire calculus of Obamacare right now is to subsidize their premiums by forcing healthy people to buy health plans well in excess of what they'd pay in the private market by taxing them for not buying. It's like forcing people in Colorado to buy hurricane insurance, and it's horrendously unkantian.

Oh wait, most states literally had high risk pool insurance where you couldn't even enroll unless you were already rejected from another policy, and they received heavy state funding to subsidize their own premiums.

>fucking nu/pol/

Welcome to nu/pol/

MUH CIVIL NATIONALISM
MUH ZIONISM
MUH CORPORATISM
MUH NEOCONSERVATISM

>get government out of health care

So we're abolishing medicare?

I don't read, infowars or brietbart, I sure as fuck ain't reading slate or vox or thinkprogress or whatever stupid garbage you read.

Why not keep Obamacare but get rid of the mandate so you're not forced or taxed when you don't have health insurance?

>why cant we just repeal obamacare and replace with nothing?

Because we live in a retarded country where our government only passes legislation for the most EXTREME cases. It would be too easy to actually repeal Obamacare and then just go back to where we were in 2008, where healthcare premiums weren't skyrocketting and people weren't getting kicked off their plans.

>most of the country's population is suffering under the effects of Obamacare
>out of the 11 million people who enrolled in Obamacare, a very small minority of them actually see real benefits from being enrolled in Obamacare.
>Attempt to repeal Obamacare because it's doing more harm to the country than good
>typical leftist outcry: YOU'RE GONNA JUST LET ALL 200 PEOPLE WHO ARE BENEFITING FROM OBAMACARE GO WITHOUT INSURANCE!? YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT POOR PEOPLE!

>abolishing medicare

yes, and the military and the education system (universities too) and NASA and CIA and FBI and police and USPS and Judiciary and Department of Defense and Amtrak and Highway Administration and Federal Reserve