Ok, there seems some effort to distort the narrative of WW2 on here, so I thought a thread dedicated to that time would be appropriate
So here is the timeline as far as I know, feel free to add or correct anything:
>Poles kill germans in territory that was german before WW1 and thus had a lot of germans living there
>Hitler went into Poland in order to stop the murdering
>Britain and their jewish masters didn't like an indipendent and strong germany, and thus took this as reason to declare war on germany
>Russia, already doing its best to distribute Bolshevism in europe saw the opportunity and made also forced advances towards the west.
>Britains, realizing they are getting in trouble right now, ask their jewish masters to draw the USA into the war
>They demand Israel as payment, which Hitler tried to give the jews before the war already in order to get them out of the government and stop them from jewing around (Haavara agreement) which the Brits didnt play along with.
>Brits agree this time, USA gets drawn into the war, and the rest is History
Furthermore the Nazis never meant to kill the jews, why else would he have tried to get them Israel. they just wanted to keep them from jewing around and thus contained them in the concentrationcamps. People died in those camps, but not due to systematic genocide but due to starvation and sickness (like typhus) in times where the germans themselves could barely eat something, and where the traintracks to the camps were bombed by the allies making it even harder to supply the camps.
The Nazis also werent racist. Why would people from all over the world travel to germany and join the SS if the germans hated everyone who isnt a blue-eyed blond aryan? Why would the SS have been the most diverse military force in history (only surpassed by the foreignlegion as far as I know) if they wanted to get rid of all the diversity. Why would there then by even entire muslim Divisions in the SS?
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>entire muslim Divisions in the SS?
>Haavara Agreement
Thank you I didn't know about these, really gets the jelly spreading
yeah, it just doesnt fit into the agenda of the stormfags who want hitler to be racist and kill all the jews and niggers, nor in the agenda of the jews wanting to portray hitler as absolute evil and genocidal racist, so you dont hear much about it
Jesus christ, you never paid attention in history class did you?
>Nazis did a thing therefore they couldn't have possibly done another thing despite millions of witnesses, active participants and documents stating that they did do the thing.
Here we go again...
>eye witness
like this one
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How about you verify that any of these were confirmed in other sources instead of posting some random jumble of crap that isn't ever mentioned anywhere else. No one else mentions this stuff because they can't verify it, it doesn't make everything else false.
Did you verify that all these photos are from Auschwitz? No, you're just reposting some image collection you found somewhere and for some reason fully believe while ignoring everything else.
>history class
nu-Sup Forums everyone
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about the "gaschambers" just being a shower
im sure if you care to google a bit you will find more
this chimney surely display german effectivity, being completely useless and all.
if the nazis were to execute people in the camps, do you really thing they would waste in times of war where ressources are few, any ressource at all for gas, or fuel for the ovens instead of going for german efficiency and just using a bullet each or even a knife for everyone?
The label of zyklon b saying its for pestcontroll (for german anons)
>>Poles kill germans in territory that was german before WW1 and thus had a lot of germans living there
A lie. Poland would have do no such thing. Given that Germany was willing to find any reason to start a war with her.
>>Hitler went into Poland in order to stop the murdering
Hitler went into poland because he needed to stave off economical collapse, due to his mismanagement of the economy.
>>Britain and their jewish masters didn't like an independent and strong germany, and thus took this as reason to declare war on germany
Nobody liked a Strong, Severly Autistic Germany who's first, second, and last plan is to Invade another country because of muh ancestral right.
>>Russia, already doing its best to distribute Bolshevism in europe saw the opportunity and made also forced advances towards the west.
Stalin had no intention on trying to spread communism. In fact he based an entire ideology about it. Socialism in one country.
>>Britains, realizing they are getting in trouble right now, ask their jewish masters to draw the USA into the war
I think they just needed Aid. Nothing more and nothing else.
>>They demand Israel as payment, which Hitler tried to give the jews before the war already in order to get them out of the government and stop them from jewing around (Haavara agreement) which the Brits didnt play along with.
Not this shit again.
>>Brits agree this time, USA gets drawn into the war, and the rest is History
Japan Attacked us at pearl harbor. We declare war at japan not Italy and Germany. In fact Germany and Italy Declare War on Us.
Then the question is, is there an underground level? A basement? It's difficult to guarantee that chimney leads absolutely no where with just two pictures.
>nytimes.com
That NY Times link is just the same story but now in text form. I said produce some OTHER sources on any of these besides some delusional old man. The reason there aren't any is because it historians don't accept random accounts of something as fact. I don't know why you want me to deny the Holocaust cause some guy said something stupid. Meanwhile, countless Nazis, Nazi documents & policies and other witnesses have verified a lot of the rest.
>"gaschambers" just being a shower
Yeah, that same scene was in Schindler's List, so what?
>photo of multinational Nazis
Try reading Mein Kampf where Hitler denounces anyone not European as having to be cleared for living space for the superior German races. I'm pretty sure Hitler would have disapproved of such units but war made them necessary or local commanders never told him about it. Secondly, too bad the Nazis didn't follow such policies in Eastern Europe where locals were eager to join and fight the Soviets but where instead enslaved and shipped off to Labour or concentration camps or executed.
>history class
lmao, I won't get brainwashed by some Anglo-Judeo version of history
>my country allied with the country run by fucking communist jewish revolutionaries instead of the country fighting fucking communist jewish revolutionaries
makes me think
if there would be an underground level im sure there would be records of it. also it seems pretty stupid to have cremation underground considerring the air supply needed to let ovens burn would require more supplylines.
USA had knowledge of pearl harbor in advance which would have enabled them to just draw away from there. but they decided not inform the people on pearl harbor so they have an excuse to use the nukes.
If germanies economy would have been so bad they wouldnt have been able to keep a full on war going for that long, nor would have the ressources for burning and gassing the jews.
bolshevism was spreading around in europe, in 1918 there even was a jewish uprising in germany trying to install bolshevism.
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tl; dr
>Germany DINDU NUFFIN WRONG
>Hitler good boi went to church erry Sunday
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It's not our fault Japan went full autism and attacked Pearl Harbor and Germany declared war on US after they did that. Our hands were a little tied, and not by Britain.
Few, lots of memes there.
>Poland dindu
>Invasion because of ecnonomy meme, which was never considered or mentioned in any way in the months before the war
>muh evil world domination plans
>Stalin had no intention on trying to spread communism (maximum kek)
>Not this shit again.
Yeah now it's a mixup of WW1 and WW2... all this "gib Palestine" is from WW1.
>We declare war at japan not Italy and Germany.
Who cares? The US had shot on sight orders for German ships in the Atlantic Ocean since the beginning of the war. The declaration of war was just a farce at that point.
if it makes you feel better, general patton of the US army wanted to join the germans, but he died in some (((accident))) if i remember correctly, and after that the plan was gone.
churchill also realized his mistake and had a plan going to join forces with germany against the russians, but was never established.
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i dont get smart out of churchill. he was a fucking puppet willing to do anything for his jewish masters apparently, but then there is stuff like this, and at times he spoke pretty openly about the conspiracy going on. i assume he knew about everything, despised it, but saw himself unable to do anything against it as he knew they would just replace him with someone who doesnt ask any questions and thus stayed there in hopes he can steer it somewhat
Fuck off, neonazi trash
I'm pretty sure all that stuff was after the war was all but won. It was the quiet start of the Cold War. We can forget that there's no debate between Russia and Nazi Germany on who was the bad guy. They were both villains, and we shared sides with one of them.
>flag
checks out
allahu akbar
this fucking ID tho, nice.
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>If germanies economy would have been so bad they wouldnt have been able to keep a full on war going for that long, nor would have the ressources for burning and gassing the jews.
Is that why they kept plundering nations after they invaded them?
>bolshevism was spreading around in europe, in 1918 there even was a jewish uprising in germany trying to install bolshevism.
Not by the Soviet Union. Stalin would not allow that. He knew his country was in a precarious situation.
Yes, lets some random idiots on the internet educate you instead of actual books by actual historians who try to verify as much of their sources and story as possible.
>USA
>eager to use nukes
>1941
>draw away from [pearl harbor]
>Japs confused as to where carriers went
>nor would have the ressources for burning and gassing
Sorry but Nazis actually were dumb and did indeed mismanage a lot of the war. Trains that could have been used for the war effort were in fact used to transport victims to concentration camps instead. It was dumb but their racial policies were deemed more important.
>reddit please leave
Sorry, but you can find some private forum if you need a safe space where your idiotic beliefs aren't challenged.
>They were both villains
>good and evil philosophy101 for children
>actual books by actual historians
HAHAHAHAHA
If you want evidence you'll also have to provide evidence, right now you're just claiming the holocaust happened which means you're just as bad as the people you're denouncing
the problem with liking nazis is that theres the commonly held beliefs that are common knowledge and commonly associated with people who commonly like nazis, those people in question commonly only know the commonly held beliefs as well and therefore both parties are commonly correct in their assumptions, on the other hand the uncommonly known truth about the nazis being uncommonly held by a common bunch are commonly held to the standards of the commonly held belief about nazis.
as you can see this can get pretty confusing
>Not by the Soviet Union. Stalin would not allow that. He knew his country was in a precarious situation.
He is talking about 1918, Stalin wasn't in power and had no say in the matter. Later the Comintern was formed and they put their agents everywhere, taking charge when the right moment arises. Once Bolshvik power stabilized a bit around 1920, they tried to start shit everywhere, in Germany more than once, Bela Kun in hungary, you had communists in France and Britain too and also later in the US. They all followed the lead in Moscow, no matter who was in power, first Lenin, then Stalin. Communists around the world made no big moves without consulting the leadership in Moscow.
History is written by the victors.
Have you noticed how history about pagans in Islamic and Christian territory is pretty much only negative? Not biased at all, right? The winners will almost always write negatively about their enemies and in this case the jews try to destroy nazism as they're afraid their grand scheme will be found out
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Nazis are a fucking joke, heres why:
National Socialism is a combination of one of the ABSOLUTE WORST principles a ountry could implement; Nationalism and Socialism. If you, like any other Nazi, has no basic understanding of politics, here's how it is is Layman's Terms:
Nationalism: Cocky
Socialism: Take your money and promise to give it back but dont
Cocky people who take your money and dont give it back? Sounds alot like a familiar type of people to me.....Jews. Nazis were staged by the Jews so (((they))) could fake the Holocaust and once and for all gain the upper hand on the West. If you think that National Socialism is a good thing, you're retarded. If you think Hitler was a smart man, you're edgy. If you think that your horseshit ideology is even a ideology, YOU'RE AUTISTIC. Sup Forums never was Nazi and will never be Nazi. Anyone on Sup Forums who is a Nazi is an edgy dumb fuck who needs to read a book
t. Anarcho-Capitalist (Ascended Ideology)
>Germany going to poland to stop murdering
Delusion natsoc Germany had a mutual non agresion pact with the soviets (molotov) (ribbetrop)pact the soviets and germans helped eachother in defeating the polish risistance
>hitler invaded even do he knew he had an altimatum put on him by the allies the already have him land(munich agreement )
He invaded poland because he wanted a clear border with the soviets for barbossa
Good pasta
>anime tier plot
lul
Go back to Turkey roach
Lately I haven't been able to stop thinking about WW2.
Hitler was a great and amazing man and has been completely demonized by the media. I don't care and have openly started defending Hitler in public, at work, and among my friends. It has cost me socially.
I keep thinking about how close Germany came to actually winning the war. They should have won. Fucking Italy and Japan. Why.
>tfw you will never go back in time and fight and maybe die for the third reich
Why even live?
>If the citations support my cliams its treu
>but if it Doesn't its jewish propaganda
The real villains are the jews
>He invaded poland because he wanted a clear border with the soviets for barbossa
What? Barbarossa was first considered in the middle of 1940, right after Stalin invaded Romania. There is literally no mention or any plan, memo, diary entry and document prior to 1940 in regards of Operation Barbarossa.
It's true and if you can't see that, as I said before, you're either too shallow to realize or you're an edgy underage b&
Need more redpilling info on how the Nazis weren't as evil as they're portrayed in US history books. They're taking an interest
The final solution discussion was recorded. The Nazi's DID want to kill the Jews, and this plan was formulated by Heydrich. Himmler and the others proposed sterilization of women, but Hitler refused, this final solution for the eastern european jew problem needed a quick solution, as the citizens of Germany were beginning to dissent against Nazism due to total war declared by Britain (they were bombing civilians now). So Himmler came back, and Heydrich and the rest of the Nazis then discussed and concluded the final solution at the Wannasee conference. There are recordings of them speaking, they sound as if they are talking about the efficiency of producing automobiles, but they are speaking truly of human beings. Also, Roosevelt wanted in the war from the getgo. Congress and the isolationist movement wanted out and wanted nothing to do with it because they remember Wilson and world war 2, they werent fucking buying it. FDR stretched the constitution to get into the war, and Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack due to communications mistake.
Go away kike
Zyclon b contians prussic acid witch is an other name for cyanide
Its as useful as using musterd gas as moutfresher
>Nazis werent evil
But they were dumb as fuck and so is their ideology
Nice Argument
The Japs should have gone under Hitlers orders, ignored the US and literally throw everything they have at the USSR together with Germany in 1941. Once crushed (they would have had to devide forces, Moscow down, the east crumbles), send resources to the Japs to keep fighting while in the West, Allies can't get on European mainland due to the eastern front won. Britain then basically has to accept peace and the US sits on the sidelines and has to watch.
The german shitposter Doesn't know what en when the mannhaten project was done
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If you had an argument or said anything remotely intelligent I would debate you, but you're nigger tier in terms of intelligence
Nice Argument
kek dumb nazis cant even defend their shitty ideology
Another Nice Argument
For starters, read the book "Hitlers Revolution" by Tedor. You can find it for free. After that "The Myth of German Villainy" by Bradberry. In regards to the "road to war", go to "Truth for Germany" by Valendi and "The war that had many Fathers" by Rhonhof, and/or Hitlers war and Churchills war by Irving.
he hated communism read mein kampf he details a plan for lebensraum in the east and expansion
Arguing with (insert insult here) proves there are two.
Because you had any argument at all
lets decide this once and for all
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The Japs were fucking worthless and did nothing to contribute to the war effort. They literally tried one attack on the Soviets and got blown the fuck out so bad they completely gave up, and just fucked off raping Chinese civilians for a decade until they got nuked. All they did was make things worse with Germany by giving the jews in the U.S. and excuse to enter the war. If they would have declared war on Germany before Pearl Harbor, there would have been a revolt like half of our population was German.
I was a pretty big weaboo when I first started coming here maybe ten years ago so this was one of the harder redpills to swallow.
>>Poles kill germans in territory that was german before WW1 and thus had a lot of germans living there
>>Hitler went into Poland in order to stop the murdering
Pure stormfag bullshit. Hitler invaded because Poland wasnt going to just hand them the Polish Corridor. Danzig wasnt even part of Poland, so they had no jurisdiction over that area anyway.
So of course there was no massacre there.
Thanks for the Genuine information.
Remember that we socialists won the entire war.
that would be a Nice Argument if I knew what it was saying
Still, not an argument
>tfw you realize the eternal Anglo is worse than the jew
Ah, the "dude have you read mein Kampf" argument from people who have not read mein Kampf.
There was no plan for Barbarossa prior to 1940. There wasn't even a "detailed plan for Lebensraum in the east", fkn lmao. Lebensraum in the east was briefly mentioned in terms of area to produce food due to the increasing population and that's it. Your "detailed plan" is literally made up shit.
I link my citations namely the
>Munich agreement
>zyclon b contians prussic acid (cyanide)
>and the molotov ribbetrop non agresion pact
>idk muh jew muh jidf post sources for your cliams ok?
How retarded do you have to be to be a socialist? Do you have any concept of economy? Please explain why you are a Socailist
What do you propose is better, and what exactly is wrong with ours.
Fuck off burguer.
>There was no plan for Barbarossa prior to 1940. There wasn't even a "detailed plan for Lebensraum in the east"
>And so we National Socialists consciously draw a line beneath the foreign policy tendency of our pre-War period. We take up where we broke off six hundred years ago. We stop the endlessGerman movement to the south and west, and turn our gaze toward the land in the east. At long last we break of the colonial and commercial policy of the pre-War period and shift to the soilpolicy of the future.
>If we speak of soil in Europe today, we can primarily have in mind only Russia and her vassalborder states.
page 475, Mein Kampf
Isoroku Yamamoto and the Japs were by no means stupid, and he had devised a plan that should of worked on paper against the Americans. Take every island, make them expunge you off the entire pacific, and by that time America had been fighting an extended and bloody war. America has a unique trait that they will not fight wars over 4 years, and the civilian population will stop backing it and begin to question the blood being spilled. Isoroku Yamamoto was an intelligent man, and knew America well, the plan just didnt work.
I already explained why Nazis are a joke here Anarcho-Capitalism is the true ideology
Of course the Japs were useless in what they did, never said otherwise. Yet, they could have been a reasonable asset, just like Italy could have been, would they have followed Nazi leadership decisions.
Had these three worked together like Britain, the US and the USSR did then the war might not have been won but I doubt the USSR would not have continued to exist and NatSoc Germany would also have survived way longer.
Bullshit revisionism. That is some nigger-tier lies you just posted.
>Hitler takes sudetenland
>Hitler, despite agreeing not to, invades the rest of Czechoslovakia
>Chamberlain mans up and says he will defend poland if nazis attack
>Hitler wants Danzig
>Hitler makes a pact with his ideological enemies (soviets), despite what he wrote in Mein Kampf, butthurt at the fact that the brits aren't going along with his greater germania' larping.
>Soviets agree not to attack in exchange for polish territory.
>Hitler larps too hard
>WW2
>nazis didn't want to harm the jews
Sure he might not have wanted to outright kill them, but it can't be denied they were persecuted, deservedly or not. Please kill yourself
Why cant any socialist provide a valid argument?
And how would the acuire that room huh asking politely ?
Thanks burger
You literally proved my point. It was briefly mentioned within hundreds of pages of text... a "detailed plan", like you claimed, is something different... way different.
The proof is read any history book about WW2. Meanwhile, you got some randoms online quoting and posting some obscure shit they found on a previous thread that some Nazi put together to deny his own beliefs.
If Hitler didn't ally with Japan (therefore never make America an enemy) could he have won?
>Hitler was a great and amazing man
I don't doubt that he was an effective politician but he literally destroyed his own country. Maybe try and stay off Sup Forums for a bit.
Yeah, I'm sure the Nazis were saints out to create a better world for everyone. I'm sure you long for the days where you could have lived under a fascist dictatorship.
The soviet German non agresion pact it caused massive cognitive disonence in stormtards
>Thinking history books can't be biased and wrong
A socialist one at that! Effedent by there economic policies
Of course there was no formulated plan yet because he wasnt in a position to enact his conquest yet. The point is that he clearly stated his intention to colonize Russia in Mein Kampf like the belgian guy said and which you denied
Your reasoning is already off since it was the US who egged on Britain to go to war with Germany and also meddling with Polands affairs. They had their hands in starting around 1937. Of course this doesn't mean that the US would have gotten a pretext to join the war.
But if the US stayed out completely (still lend lease to Britain, but none to the USSR) then it doesn't look too bad for the Nazis anymore.
>intelligent
>declares war on a neutral country, one of the top 3 most powerful countries in the world, when already at war with the soviets and China
Yeah O.K. fucker. If you needed oil so bad get it out of Siberia. I just wish we had an extra bomb to drop on Tokyo, these fuckers literally cost Germany WW2 by being so fucking stupid and worthless.
We could literally be living in a natsoc utopia full of 10/10 aryan and east aryan mixed waifus right now.
It would certainly be better than the multicultural hell that the jews have bestowed upon the west.
The west would have been better and safer, there's no denying that
Why do you want to live in a dictatorship?
Also, your hero Hitler was exactly why the Nazi's lost due to multiple instances of his medling in military affairs, constantly ruining campaigns for dumb symbolic reasons instead of actual gains.
The history books go out there way to post citations for there claims