The "violence" in the Qur'an and foundations of Islam is not what you all make it seem. Let me try to explain

The "violence" in the Qur'an and foundations of Islam is not what you all make it seem. Let me try to explain.

"Jihad" is the Islamic concept of "struggle." There are two main types of jihad: greater jihad, or the internal struggle to make oneself a better person, and lesser jihad, the external struggle to make society a better place. In the latter, there are three subcategories: jihad by the word, jihad by the hand, and jihad by the sword. The Qur'an strongly encourages external jihad to first be taken with the word and by the hand. Jihad by the word includes actions such as writing books to change a country, writing letters to businesses and congress, etc. Jihad by the hand is crafting or building things to improve the world.

Jihad by the sword is strongly discouraged in the Qur'an, but it is allowed in certain circumstances (strictly limited to only in self-defense and to overthrow a dictator). And, the Qur'an has extremely strict rules for this warfare, stricter than the rules of war of the UN. Killing the elderly and children is forbidden, killing those in mosques is not allowed, warriors are not allowed to commit suicide in their battles, etc. Islam is truly a very peaceful, humanitarian religion, but it is also practical in this sense because it allows war when it is the only successful and effective method of improving the world (objectively).

Muslim terrorist groups such as ISIS take this idea of jihad and radicalize it. They ignore the principles of Islam that forbid inhumane acts of war, and they are criminals of Islamic law. We all need to become more aware of these core foundations of Islam, and we cannot associate these horrible organizations with the beautiful religion itself.

Islam is a religion of peace, and we all just need to learn about each other before we form such harsh judgements and prejudices.

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fuck you

>making cogent arguments larger than 50 words on Sup Forums

Salam anyways I guess

I've read reliance of the traveler shitskin, your taqiyya is weak.

Sup Forums will eventually realize that Islam is the only cure to the current degeneracy that's plaguing the west. It might take a long time but when Sharia eventually takes over and they're living comfy lives with their loli brides they will understand that Islam is heaven for men. After decades of focus on women it's time to give men the power back.

Thank you! Sup Forums and muslims have so much in common, yet the people here hate islam, against their own best interest

Mods pls why are you doing this thread after fucking thread i wake up i see this thread i go to sleep i see this thread REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMOVE

How would you classify the struggle the gay guy you just threw off the roof as?

> Trying to justify how the Quran isn't violent using semantics
> check flag
Can somebody nuke Germany yet?

Fuckoff faggot

If Islam is so great then why has 99% of the worlds useful inventions been invented by White Europeans?

>mfw Islamic warriors fight their wars with Western Weapons, Western Vehicles and live in buildings built with Western Engineering

A totally failed culture that can only steal from others, and can't innovate on its own

>Sit on top of the worlds largest liquid oil reserves for 1000 years
>only discover it has value when White Men come and drill it for you

Sage

Don't worry brother, they will see it some day.

The black pill is hard to swallow I know

sage

nah mate, someday you have to stop denying it

rare

lets not pretend Sup Forums cares much about LGBT rights

fuck off hans

This makes no sense, your followers are driving trucks into people and you want me to ignore that and read the small print

Every group has its radicals, brother
I am sure that is is not fair to judge the alt-right by the action of Brevik, is it?

You're a jew rip off

The Myth:

Jihad simply means 'struggle' and really just refers to a peaceful striving against sin rather than a holy war to spread Islam.

The Truth:

In Arabic "jihad" means struggle. In Islam it means holy war.

The Quran specifically exempts the disabled and elderly from Jihad (4:95), which would make no sense if the word is being used merely within the context of spiritual struggle. It is also unclear why Muhammad and his Quran would use graphic language, such as smiting fingers and heads from the hands and necks of unbelievers if he were speaking merely of character development.

With this in mind, Muslim apologists generally admit that there are two meanings to the word, but sometimes claim that “inner struggle” is the “greater Jihad,” whereas “holy war” is the “lesser.” In fact, this misconception is based only on an a single hadith that Islamic scholars generally agree was fabricated.

By contrast, the most reliable of all Hadith collections is that of Sahih Bukhari. Jihad is mentioned over 200 times in reference to the words of Muhammad. Each carries a clear connotation to holy war, with only a handful of possible exceptions (dealing with a woman's supporting role during a time of holy war).

>Islam is a religion of peace

sure thing. it's just that we appear to disagree about exactly what peace means.

The Myth:

Muslim apologists sometimes claim that the root word of Islam is “al-Salaam,” which is "peace" in Arabic.


The Truth:

An Arabic word has only one root. The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” There is no disagreement about this among Arabic or Islamic scholars. al-Silm (submission) does not mean the same thing as al-Salaam (peace), otherwise they would be the same word.

Submission and peace can be very different concepts, even if a form of peace can be brought about by forcing others into submission. As the modern-day Islamic scholar, Ibrahim Sulaiman, puts it, "Jihad is not inhumane, despite its necessary violence and bloodshed, its ultimate desire is peace which is protected and enhanced by the rule of law."

In truth, the Quran not only calls Muslims to submit to Allah, it also orders them to subdue people of other religions until they are in a full state of submission to Islamic rule. This has inspired the aggressive history of Islam and its military and demographic success in conquering other cultures.

4:29. Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

How many Mormon terrorists are there?

>Germnay
>defending Islam
I don't know what I expected

>islam is a religion of peace it's just so happens that the followers of it are the most violent, pure coincidence

Dude, we have kekism.
No way I'm wearing these awful dresses they look like the biggest bitches

Lol, I know you're probably a troll but people actually trot this out and it's the biggest load of bullsht.

OK, so "jihad" translates to "struggle". Okay, it had more meanings than warfare. Then you go on to fill the description of the other forms of jihad with weasel words like "make society better" and "change a country". Yeah, we all know what that means in the Koran, don't we? And when that doesn't work and everyone doesn't roll over and become muslims, then "jihad by the sword" comes out, but you say it's ok because you tried the other options. This is what happens in Islam OVER AND OVER AND OVER again. It is inherently a conquering, violent religion.

This apologia would be laughable if it weren't so terrifying. The rules of warefare are strict? But you just list that it's illegal to kill elderly and children or anyone inside a mosque? So it's fine to kill any adults outside a mosque? And the muslim warriors not being able to kill themselves is supposed to make me feel better?

tl:dr this is bullshit, Islam is dangerous

wasn't that oregon standoff dude mormon?

also FLDS is pretty bad

This makes no sense. Your book got people to suicide bomb innocent civilians around the world but you want me to ignore all that read the small print? Saged.

...

fuck off and die kebab

>The Qur'an strongly encourages external jihad to first be taken with the word and by the hand. Jihad by the word includes actions such as writing books to change a country, writing letters to businesses and congress

I don't want that in my country anymore than I want ISIS in Canada. No mosques, no dick cutting, no halal, no Islamic proselytizing, no Sharia law, head scarves, no bearded men wearing their pajamas in public.

>Every group has its radicals, brother

I don't want any Muslims around me. Not even moderates. Not even the most lax, nonpracticing Muslims. You are alien and foreign and not Canadian. You upset the Canadian character of my society.

Its obviously ethnic

>oregon standoff dude
You mean the guy that didn't hurt anyone and was defending his rights? That doesn't sound like a terrorist to me

Canada is a country of immigrants, brother

>pasta
>Not this piece of shit slide thread again
nice b8 fagit

sage

The Myth: Gays are given peaceful sexual reassignment surgery evidence of progressive transsexual feminist religion.

The Truth: They cut off their penis for being an infidel.

>Canada is a country of immigrants, brother

No it isn't. It's a society founded by settlers. If they were immigrants they would have moved into Native villages. They didn't do that. They built their own separate settlements. There is a difference between a settler and an immigrant.

My ancestors were settlers. They created Canadian societies with Canadian character. You are an interloper. An alien foreigner who would pervert and distort the general Canadian character of my neighbourhood.

No its not, for every peace verse you can find a war verse

It has a fuckload of contradictions and it would take An absolute idiot to willfully ignore those contradictions for the sake of faith

Also go cuck yourself you fucking mof, stop ruiming Europe for the rest of US

This is like what, the 3rd time in 100 years?

>whatch doin mufti?

whatevs, Achmed

Islam has no place in germany and the only reason you are there is that its better than the islamic shit hole you fled like a coward.

Your religion has a bunch of laws for conducting war the right way. Please think how crazy that sounds. A bunch of 'holy men' got together and wrote a bunch of war laws and accepted war as a way of life.

Christians literally cannot do war unless it would free the weak and follow strict guidelines about specific and very rare occasions where it would be allowed.

This is why you see us be afraid to fight in the Middle East, until you guys took over Spain, World War 1 and 2 when we waited years until we could wait no longer the evil and suffering became too great, these hesitations are from a Christian upbringing of violence last.

We never war to just make the countries Christianize, or because there is a "war of words and of swords". The beauty of this path is people come to our faith because they want too so much.

To summarize our treatment of prisoners, lets call it be excellent to each other and thats all we needed. We don't need to be told HOW to be good people in a step by step basis, we just know through The Word and holy spirit inherently.

Rejection of this crutch of obscene laws is a beautiful thing not a weakness, well in my opinion.

Cut off your fingers and throw away your keyboard. We are a country of values. The values of Islam do not coincide with or values. Anyone not willing to abide by Canadian values must fuck off

kys

>inbreeding
>low IQ
>high time preference
>welfare dependence
>psychopathy
>low impulse control
>low social capital

I don't care what your book says.

> Christians literally cannot do war unless it would free the weak
Have you even read your history?

>We never war to just make the countries Christianize
What is USA?

rationalwiki.org/wiki/Native_Americans_and_Christianity

I've also read the Hadith and a few choice loads of bullshit like Al-Ghazali's 'Path to Sufiism'

Fuck you, you lying sack of fucking shit.

>(strictly limited to only in self-defense and to overthrow a dictator)
>see pic related
Hmm, nah.

Based

Weak taqiya.

>killing those in mosques is not allowed
THIS.
CHANGES.
EVERYTHING.

And Sauer describes a Mood and a taste.

9/11, Paris and nice were no internal struggle you mong.

Why don't muslims immigrate to other muslim counties? Why do they prefer the christian ones? there's plenty of statistics to back this statement up btw? And why is bethlehem now about 90 percent muslim?.And did you know they hang posters of recent muslim suicide bombers on the christians doors in bethlehem and if they take them down you get a knock on the door the next day from hamas? is this peaceful?

>Killing the elderly and children is forbidden
There's not so much about not killing the elderly.
Muhammad killed quite a few of them.

There was Umm Qirfa, a woman elder of a tribe he conquered, who was executed by tying her limbs to camels and pulling her apart.

As for not killing women and children, that's because they were more valuable as slaves. There may have been plenty of them who may have perferred death. When the Banu Qurayza tribe was besieged by Muslims they considered killing all their women and children they going on a suicide charge against them. Instead they surrenderd and 900 men got lined up and beheaded. Since the prior marriages of female slaves is annulled, some men's wives were raped before their husbands were even executed. Also, Muhammad always got 1/5th of the slaves and booty for himself.

So the passages in the "Book of the Sword" are all pretend? Even that passage about "smite at their necks and the tips of their fingers" is just "spiritual" hippydippy Kumbaya-tier happy handclapping?