Welcome Sup Forums to a new type of thread I will be creating daily, /Discussion/

Welcome Sup Forums to a new type of thread I will be creating daily, /Discussion/.
In this thread every day we will discuss a new topic, I will post a link that will allow us to add ideas and vote in them for the next days discussion. This will be a place to give your explanation, theories, way of thinking, you name it according to the daily topic, keep shitposting to a minimum and let us be intellectuals
here's the link
tricider.com/admin/3OmS0Uqbmbx/GJqXrwjVJ

Today's topic to start is going to be:
>Is Islam salvageable, through reform, does it have a place in the modern world?
>If so, what reforms, if not, why not?

Be open-minded and give it your best

As OP I will contribute too, I think it could be reformed, however I don't believe that it can be realistically and will probably lead to the same infighting we have now, as reformed shia or sunni fight traditional shia and sunni, and then they'll all just fight each other. I think the only way to save the middle East is to have either Syria with Assad, or to give it to the kikes.

Islam, in the past, was a scientific and cultural giant. It is a bulwark against degeneracy and redpilled on (((their))) true nature. If they just stopped fucking goats/little kids all the damn time and stopped killing eachother, it can rise again as it once was. But we must be sure to prevent it's spread beyond its region; a mutual respectful and proud relationship between two respecting and proud peoples is the only way to coexist. In all other instances, violence and war is present, resulting in the complete destruction of one culture.

Every thread is a discussion, you fucking piece of shit. Now get out

The invention of the wheel falls into the late Neolithic, and may be seen in conjunction with other technological advances that gave rise to the early Bronze Age. Note that this implies the passage of several wheel-less millennia even after the invention of agriculture and of pottery, during the Aceramic Neolithic (9500–6500 BCE).

4500–3300 BCE: Chalcolithic, invention of the potter's wheel; earliest wooden wheels (disks with a hole for the axle); earliest wheeled vehicles, domestication of the horse
3300–2200 BCE: Early Bronze Age
2200–1550 BCE: Middle Bronze Age, invention of the spoked wheel and the chariot

A depiction of an onager-drawn cart on the Sumerian "battle standard of Ur" (c. 2500 BC)
A figurine featuring the New World's independently invented wheel

The Halaf culture of 6500–5100 BCE is sometimes credited with the earliest depiction of a wheeled vehicle, but this is doubtful as there is no evidence of Halafians using either wheeled vehicles or even pottery wheels.

Precursors of wheels, known as "tournettes" or "slow wheels", were known in the Middle East by the 5th millennium BCE (one of the earliest examples was discovered at Tepe Pardis, Iran, and dated to 5200–4700 BCE). These were made of stone or clay and secured to the ground with a peg in the center, but required effort to turn. True (freely-spinning) potter's wheels were apparently in use in Mesopotamia by 3500 BCE and possibly as early as 4000 BCE,[4] and the oldest surviving example, which was found in Ur (modern day Iraq), dates to approximately 3100 BCE.

The first evidence of wheeled vehicles appears in the second half of the 4th millennium BCE, near-simultaneously in Mesopotamia (Sumerian civilization), the Northern Caucasus (Maykop culture) and Central Europe (Cucuteni-Trypillian culture), so the question of which culture originally invented the wheeled vehicle is still unsolved.

The earliest well-dated depiction of a wheeled vehicle (here a wagon — four wheels, two axles) is on the Bronocice pot, a c. 3500 – 3350 BCE clay pot excavated in a Funnelbeaker culture settlement in southern Poland.[5]

The oldest securely dated real wheel-axle combination, that from Stare Gmajne near Ljubljana in Slovenia (Ljubljana Marshes Wooden Wheel) is now dated in 2σ-limits to 3340–3030 BCE, the axle to 3360–3045 BCE.[6]

Two types of early Neolithic European wheel and axle are known; a circumalpine type of wagon construction (the wheel and axle rotate together, as in Ljubljana Marshes Wheel), and that of the Baden culture in Hungary (axle does not rotate). They both are dated to c. 3200–3000 BCE.[7]

In China, the wheel was certainly present with the adoption of the chariot in c. 1200 BCE,[8] although Barbieri-Low[9] argues for earlier Chinese wheeled vehicles, c. 2000 BC.

In Britain, a large wooden wheel, measuring about 1 m (3.3 ft) in diameter, was uncovered at the Must Farm site in East Anglia in 2016. The specimen, dating from 1,100–800 years BCE, represents the most complete and earliest of its type found in Britain. The wheel's hub is also present. A horse's spine found nearby suggests the wheel may have been part of a horse-drawn cart. The wheel was found in a settlement built on stilts over wetland, indicating that the settlement had some sort of link to dry land.[10]

Although they did not develop the wheel proper, the Olmec and certain other American cultures seem to have approached it, as wheel-like worked stones have been found on objects identified as children's toys dating to about 1500 BC.[11] It is thought that the primary obstacle to large-scale development of the wheel in the Americas was the absence of domesticated large animals which could be used to pull wheeled carriages.[citation needed] The closest relative of cattle present in Americas in pre-Columbian times, the American Bison, is difficult to domesticate and was never domesticated by Native Americans; several horse species existed until about 12,000 years ago, but ultimately became extinct.[12] The only large animal that was domesticated in the Western hemisphere, the llama, did not spread far beyond the Andes by the time of the arrival of Columbus.

Nubians from after about 400 BCE used wheels for spinning pottery and as water wheels.[13] It is thought that Nubian waterwheels may have been ox-driven.[14] It is also known that Nubians used horse-drawn chariots imported from Egypt.[15]

The wheel was barely used, with the exception of Ethiopia and Somalia, in Sub-Saharan Africa well into the 19th century but this changed with the arrival of the Europeans.[16][17]

The future is Catholic. Deus Vult. If we cannot have an etho-state at least we will have a non-degenerate catholic theocracy.

Early wheels were simple wooden disks with a hole for the axle. Some of the earliest wheels were made from horizontal slices of tree trunks. Because of the structure of wood, a wheel made from a horizontal slice of a tree trunk will tend to be inferior to one made from rounded pieces of longitudinal boards. The spoked wheel was invented more recently, and allowed the construction of lighter and swifter vehicles. In the Harappan civilization of the Indus Valley and Northwestern India, we find toy-cart wheels made of clay with lines which have been interpreted as spokes painted or in relief,[18] and a symbol interpreted as a spoked wheel in the script of the seals,[19] already in the second half of the 3rd millennium BCE. The earliest known examples of wooden spoked wheels are in the context of the Andronovo culture, dating to c. 2000 BCE. Soon after this, horse cultures of the Caucasus region used horse-drawn spoked-wheel war chariots for the greater part of three centuries. They moved deep into the Greek peninsula where they joined with the existing Mediterranean peoples to give rise, eventually, to classical Greece after the breaking of Minoan dominance and consolidations led by pre-classical Sparta and Athens. Celtic chariots introduced an iron rim around the wheel in the 1st millennium BCE. The spoked wheel was in continued use without major modification until the 1870s, when wire wheels and pneumatic tires were invented.[20]

The invention of the wheel has also been important for technology in general, important applications including the water wheel, the cogwheel (see also antikythera mechanism), the spinning wheel, and the astrolabe or torquetum. More modern descendants of the wheel include the propeller, the jet engine, the flywheel (gyroscope) and the turbine.

>>Is Islam salvageable, through reform, does it have a place in the modern world?
>>If so, what reforms, if not, why not?
GOOD ISLAM IS DEAD ISLAM. PERIOD

>every thread is a discussion
For fucks sake we can only shitpost about the jews and spread Finnish memes so much before it starts to get old
This'll be a chance to actually have discussions on different topics

uh you alright there bud?

OK but why

The fate of Islam is primarily dependent on political factors. This is how it's been since the beginning. The Golden Age of Islam for instance, was ended with a single word from a powerful man.

The biggest issue is that the extraordinary individuals of the middle east have a tendency to die horribly, either through foreign intervention or basic sectarian violence. Look at Afghanistan, the death of Massoud destroyed the nationalists and progressives in one fell swoop. Afghanistan will take a very long time to recover.

>If they just stopped fucking goats/little kids
>If they just stopped killing eachother,

Implying that they haven't always been like that.
Burger education. Don't know history for shit

so it all depends on weather or not they have a strong leader or shared ideal to get behind and follow?

...

I mean it's great and all to hate the sandniggers but at least have a reas- oh wait a fucking leaf why was I expecting an actual functional human being

>he doesn't know about the Arabic contributions to mathematics, physiology, and astronomy
the issue is that they kept all the backwards fucked in the head shit from way back, but left all the good shit. They no longer contribute to the sciences, they no longer contribute to art or cultire, they no longer have craftsmen that rival anything the western or eastern world has seen. The Caliphs and Sultans of the region were rife with wise men and philosophy. For the time they were even quite tolerant and open minded, when compared to modern Islam some of them were downright liberal.
Now they are corrupt little fucks who screw eachother over any chance they get. They do nothing that made them great. There is no free exchange of ideas; no medicine advances, no architecture. They ride the glory wave like a high school jock who peaked his junior year, never seeing that they could be so much more if they went a Christian style reformation.
This of course opens up the possibility to degeneracy on the scale of the west; they will have to keep the morals of their religion and drop the hindrances. The issue is that the Koran is solid to be written by God himself; it is the word of Allah. Theres no room for interpretation like the Bible, which is a collection of accounts and tales by mortal men
A sad situation indeed

>why do you so desperately need reason to remove stinking shit from your house
>no reason needed, it's so obvious
>don't expect people to write theses on it