Let's face it; Atheism is so 2006. It's been kicked to the curb by everyone

Let's face it; Atheism is so 2006. It's been kicked to the curb by everyone.

Atheists just can't get over the fact that they lost the culture war.

Let me take you under 18s back to the year of 2006:
>atheism on the rise on the internet with their voices getting more heard everyday
>atheist leaders like Dawkins, Harris, and (worst) Hitchens are respected voices in the community
>r/atheism is one of the top boards on bleddit
>corporate stores trying to push things like "Happy Holidays" and having "Holiday Trees"

Cut to today:
>Dawkins, Harris, and (worst) Hitchens (may he RIP) viewed as complete psychos for their insane political/social views
>r/atheism moved to the basement of bleddit because it was embarrassing euphoric garbage
>things like "Reason Rally" draw less than a Hitler impersonator at a bar mitvah
>atheist communities tear themselves apart over things like elevator gate (giving rise to New Atheism, and Atheism+, which are less successful than just regular Atheism)
>constant rape and sexual assault allegations at atheist conventions (even atheist leaders like Lawrence Krauss are accused...by other atheist leaders)
>"Happy Holidays" and "Holiday Trees" are a distant memory
>liberal atheists in Britain crushed by Brexit

And quite frankly all this bad stuff wasn't even needed. All it would have took was one euphoric quote and a couple of fedora pictures. Christianity is still kicking 2000 years later, and atheism is at it knees because of a jpeg of a fat guy in a fedora. Sad

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>atheism on the rise on the internet with their voices getting more heard everyday
>atheist leaders like Dawkins, Harris, and (worst) Hitchens are respected voices in the community

what the fuck are you even saying.

I think 06 atheisms greatest achivement was to push back religious conservatives dogmas into everyone else.

Not the case for poland but for USA (and 06 atheist movement was based on usa) If conservatives do not talk about pushing weed,alcohol,gay laws becuz muh jezuz it is due to them

I think people who tell others what spirituality is are assholes regardless of their beliefs. I also believe people that latch onto someone else's belief system are vacuous losers, the type that watch Milo youtube videos all day, looking for a new hero, a new dad.

Nobody should tell you what your favorite color is, nor should anyone tell you that their version of our place in the universe is the right one.

Make up your own fucking mind.

They also set up the foundation for this self-hatred of western christian culture and the embarce of islam, what morons.

Atheism was just a leftist rebellion against the status quo.

The status quo has changed.

So now they're all anti-trump and pro-islam.

It's kinda sad.

>Sup Forumstards talk about atheism as if it's some kind of global trend rather than a trend within the US
Count to 10 and kys

We didn't lose anything. We just became alt-right nationalists. Richard Spencer is also an atheist fyi

Atheism is pure cringe. When I was young there was a whole group of losers who wore fedoras and made edgy ass jokes concerning God and life in general.

>leaf

Nah, though. What you need to recognize is that nobody is comfortable with just coming up with conjecture for their beliefs. The point of things like the Bible or the Quran are to be the word of God/Allah in the sense that it's the divine revelation of the otherwise ambiguously revealed higher power. The miracles as described are made with the intent of displaying the truth of the prophets' words to the people of the time, and the prophecies supply a parallel to those with historical awareness in the modern day. The whole point is that these claims are made with the intent that it be debated over for validity, so that we might all find the truth. This isn't possible when we condemn someone for being confident that they're right and trying to argue for the truth.

>becoming nazis, as if that didn't already hurt naturalism/atheism in the 40s

Our place in the universe is to evolve as self-evident in our nature, observed by science. Some spiritualities, some philosophical doctrines (as contained in atheism), or not tenable for human sociology. We're not muh-cosmic consciousness.

The intelligent direction to steer society in is one in which we have prior experience of success. This is the essence of conservatism. Atheism, as well as communism, are proven failures in large-scale tests.

MY OBJECTIVE MORALS, BRAH

Atheism isn't a system of beliefs that includes particular political leanings. It's rather a single element of a wide variety of belief systems. Also there's some observation bias going on here - you don't notice the atheists who aren't fuckwits because they're not being fuckwits. Lumping all atheists together and declaring that they're all leftist, feminist, pro-Islam globalists is just lazy and plain wrong.

The majority of atheists, however, are left leaning. It's the nature of their develop, as Einstien said, that in their freeing from the shackles of religious indoctrination, they become crusading idiots.

Humans aren't independently intelligent enough to reliably shirk off religious tradition while maintaining its wisdom. And so most atheists will be fucking Commies, even though you could argue it's not inherent to the actual philosophy.

good post poland

>atheists say they are the future
>have the lowest birthrates, well below even replacement

how do atheists explain the origin of life. do they think life just formed out of water or something

Abiogenesis is a problem. Evolution also has the problem of using mutations as a means when it's usually discouraged by natural selection. There's lots of statistical issues.

Now, I still accept evolution, but it's not a cut and dry thing. There could be some mixture of creationism, as some claim, or the truth could just be over the hill. Doesn't effect my theology.

>christkikenity
>something better than amemism

For some reason the one thing that stuck in my mind from the fedoraism of this period is how pulp trash like the Da Vinci Code was considered a worthy topic of conversation. Anyone else remember this shit?

>atheism is at it knees because of a jpeg of a fat guy in a fedora.
This is truly the most pathetic part. This caption is a contender for the greatest meme. It was a miracle of communication, encompassing a vast array of worldviews into its synthetic maximum.

OP is talking about the euphoria rather than not having faith.

You seem to have an irrational attachment to the notion of "evolution"

I don't understand how religion makes sense to anyone. It has no evidence based in reality.

As an atheist myself I have to agree with basically everything you've said. Too many faggot, Bernie shilling, aspie band wagoners in the atheist community to the point where they drown everyone out being "euphoric" and using "reason and intellect" as buzzwords because they heard their lord and savior Bill Nye say them. Being a huge whiny faggot is their religion and bernie sanders is their god and the democrat party their church. Almost every atheist I have met in my life is an insufferable person for this reason. Atheism is only about smugness to them (pic related). I'm surprised r/atheism hasn't become a Muslim cuckold fetish board by now.

The only thing I would disagree on is Hitchens. He is fucking based when it comes to Islam and free speech, he is not a moral faggot.

Christianity going down. Paganism back again.

formed out of muh dick and all your women colliding, whitey

agnosticism won

And meanwhile people that identify as nonreligious are on the rise.

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's fair to just pretend like it's not a problem.

primordial ooze

actually "life" AKA tiny cells were synthesized out of fucking nothing once the earth's atmosphere was just right

Atheists are Niggers literally who came from Apes.

That's their own theory.

I'm holding onto the idea that there's an objective measure of us. Survival! We have a Good, we have a state of well-being which can be observed. Evolution is a kind of term for the pursuit of refinement. It's not an irrational attachment because our well-being is the only thing we CAN cling to. God simply provides it, for most people.

Understand that we're animals, and evolution is our metric. Strength is peace.

ironic coming from a christcuck

This is the power of 3rd world education.

>christcuck

Atheists are now just their fellow lefitsts using name calling like calling people racist or sexist or homophobic

That's not argument,Niggers.

>having a favorite color
>being an adult

Pretty funny. Copypasta or nah?

statistically impossible.
See

No it's the power of Masonic government brainwashing children since young age in to Leftist bullshit.

This.

Also this.

I just say "i don't know". Simple.
Believing in gods is retarded. I have conservative values. I just dont believe in paranormal stuff.

Nonreligious="I'm spiritual not religious". The fuck does that even mean?

Atheism does inherently contain within it the belief that the majority of humanity is brainwashed. They're wrong!

This goes a ways towards explaining why it attracts some of the people it does. Good on you for having conservative values, but you're wrong if you think you get to look down on Christians. Just Leftists!

"Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire."

>Humans aren't independently intelligent enough to reliably shirk off religious tradition while maintaining its wisdom.

Really well said. Most vocal atheists do seem eager to throw the baby out with that bath water. That whole notion of "this includes something false so the whole thing is worthless and should be entirely ignored and discarded" really irks me. While not a believer myself, it's plain to me that organised religion can offer benefits to individuals and society in general that are totally lacking outside of it, most notably social cohesion, moral guidance, and a sense of both purpose and belonging.

Having a smug sense of superiority over people that think differently than you has always been for teenagers and pseudo-intellectuals, it's just that you were a teenager back then and all of your peers thought it was cool.

They're Satanists without the balls to say so. Such cowards could never win.

>Poland
Of course.

Religion has no foundation. During the last few hundred years attempts to justify religious belief in the field of philosophy have been completely demolished. Attempts by religions to support the existence of supernatural entities via science (creationism/ID, near death experiences, "energies") have been failed; methodological naturalism has succeeded and supernaturalism has failed to do anything productive whatsoever except control people. This foundation crisis had been mostly hidden outside of the intelligentsia: voices critical to religion and especially Christianity were marginalized, atheists ostracized as communists and evil-doers, and criticism of religion could largely only be found by actively seeking out books and periodicals. Meanwhile proselytizers and priests drowned out criticism.

Then came the internet. Now with a few clocks a whole mountain of arguments against religion can be found. It is extremely easy to question religion now. What followed was a huge growth in nonreligion in America that still continues; this trend began in the early 60's but was accelerated by the internet. Europe has had a similar secularizing trend. Religious proselytizers found that whenever they tried to peddle their irrationality on the internet they got shut down due to the abundance of readily available quality arguments against religious claims and people knowledgeable of them. Unable to compete in debate the reaction was to try to shut down criticism by attacking the criticism itself rather than arguing against it. This thread is an example of this: there isn't any attempt to establish the validity of religious claims, just dubious claims that atheism is losing a culture war (it's actually an intellectual war, and it already lost) for propagandistic reasons - it doesn't matter if they are false to people like OP, only if they are useful (that religion is useful for spreading conservative ideology is a big argument here as well.)

Thanks, and you're right.
Christianity held together the west and inspired the founding fathers. People still preserving that tradition are, in my experience, some of the most hardworking and collected people.

Religion internalizes morality.

World started from nothing! There was no creation....or did it started from some giant explosion nobody saw...erm...

>Religion has no foundation

Billions of people would disagree.

>>>/reddit/

Religion cannot exist indefinitely without a foundation unless there is active suppression of information and discourse. This is why religion is declining. The rest of your post is irrelevant to anything and filled with falsities.

So, OP or anyone else who wants to counter my post: show your God. Either show the truth of your religious claims or get out. Who knows, maybe you will be successful in doing something and nobody else has been successful at doing in all of human history. Failure to do this would show the bankruptcy of your position.

>Billions of people would disagree.
Not arguments. This is why religion is failing.

That's observant, actually. I agree in part with your characterization. There's really only the culture war, and atheism was never really going to win that. Because of its people.

That said, come at me, bro.

God isn't falling he has been here since ever and will be long after you die.

>>>/reddit/

Not argument, you are only showing that your beliefs have no foundation whatsoever.

Yeah this is all true and cringey, but fuck man it just doesn't make any sense that God would exist at all. How could you just lie to yourself except as a useful social utility.

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I'm ready to argue if you want, but I will point out that your superior tune is exactly what attracts cancer to your base. It's why you're losing.

They have more foundation then anything you can give.It's you who can't explain how world started or anything about creation without some made up theories created just some decades ago.

>Daily Mail
Nice fake news tabloid. However people like you don't care, you are an intellectually dishonest coward.

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Atheism > Absurdism > Taoism

I'd argue it's just as difficult to believe that at one moment the universe wasn't and at the next moment it was, with no outside intervention whatsoever

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Atheism is linked to liberalism communism feminism and Marxism.

There's nothing superior about using critical thinking to examine claims. It takes no special intelligence, only learning the proper skills and access to information.

Now produce your God.

ALRIGHT. YOU READY TO RUMBLE, CHUMP?

Religion forms in every culture because of the memetic form of our language and social consciousness. It's a linguistic virus.

That said, God exists. Are you chicken or should I continue?

No you're right, the world started from God putting a man in a garden and ripping out his rib to form a woman and allowing them to be deceived by a talking snake with an apple, creating discourse in the world that could only be changed by his son appearing thousands of years later to open the gates of Heaven (which God could have opened on his own). Much more sensible. I'm not even an ardent atheist or liberal, but this bullshit about gardens and total rejection of science is infuriating

I was waiting for you to address me. Gimme a sec and I'll type up my response :D

>Oldest Human civilization did started around 6 thousand years ago.

World started BILLIONS of years

LOL not it was Trillions

I'd imagine its people that aren't religious trying to not be judged by their peers as a fedora tipping atheist.

Old Testament is bit allegorical.

Here is another example. Everything is made from Atoms, and Atoms can't be created or destroyed.
So Creator used Atoms to design universe and his greatest creation Human was created to mimic him not some Jungle Ape

When I first met Madoka Kyouno in the anime Lagrange: The Flower of Rin-ne I was captivated by her cheerful personality and spunky go-getter attitude. The more I learned about her the more affection I felt for her. Eventually it grew so much that I thought that she wasn't just a character, she must be real. I took a leap of faith and said out loud: "Madoka Kyouno, you are real! I will love you forever." I instantly fell into deep love, and we got married in a church in my mind. We have been happy every since.

My relationship with Madoka Kyouno is very similar to you with your God I think, only instead of romance it is like a parent to you.

Oh Atheists are the most arrogant group of people.On their Youtube channels they are even more arrogant then Muslims, but unlike them, they are cowards

>make ur god appear, magician!
What a stupid fucking argument.

>Humans aren't independently intelligent enough to...

You can speak for yourself, don't project your failings onto the rest of us.

>everyone who disagrees with me is a YEC

This is why you lose

Raised Christian, went atheist, went agnostic, now learning about Buddhism.. just as a system of thought.

27/M


MAGA

I thought Atheism was just not believing in God. I consider myself an Atheist, but I don't have to do anything about it, there is literally nothing to talk about beyond, "Oh I don't believe in God." End of conversation.

Yeah because there's nothing arrogant about claiming to know the natural of all reality without any evidence whatsoever.

Fedora fedora fedora, pay no attention to our own silly hat fetish.

PRODUCE THY GOD

You've repeated this a couple times now. This is, again, an error in tactic. Everybody smells the indignation you carry. It makes Fedora an effective meme.

So, the basis of the existence of God. I go with a classical theism argument. God is ultimately simple, he's infinite, and as he proclaims, 'I am that I be.' On an ontological basis, this is impossible to refute and it's fairly intuitive. There's the question of the specificity of our universe. On a level, it makes very little sense that our laws of nature are the only and eternal laws. This is why you get Matrix theory, this is why you get infinite universes. Both are vaguely in line with classic theism. We emerge from infinite potentiality.

Now, to bridge the gap into a personal God. pt2 incoming.

Atheism and Satanism are cancer.

God is the answer

If it was allegorical then you're saying God sent his son (who was also him) to die in excruciating pain on a cross for a hypothetical sin in a garden that didn't exist? You cant take certain parts of the Bible literally and other parts not unless it is said that those are not real like parables

You exist. Reality exists. God is an attempt to describe reality, bastardized and manipulated for human purposes.

There was evidence, miracles are how Jesus got anyone to listen to him. But you weren't there to personally witness it, so it must be untrue. *tip*

That's new Testament.

Old Testament was written much before that.

Double-digiters are getting cocky, it seems. I have too high an IQ to believe in god

Prove to me the words you've typed mean what you think they mean. I'll wait.

This is the problem with atheism. You literally communicate in memes about how memes are archaic and dangerous.

And you're full of shit too. Because you never shut up. If you truly believed culturally agreed upon memes were in fact dangerous, you wouldn't even speak.

this

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Catholics are brainwashed. Trust me.
There's a difference between how protestants in US believe in God and how Polish catholics do, so i understand your point of view. Not much, but a little bit.
I see religious folks in my country as people who took a moral compas from a book and never questioned it. I find it mental. You, americans see faith more spiritual.
Also a lot of today's atheists are like feminists who left the kitchen, but they have nothing to offer to world. Leftist atheists are moralfags. I despise them.

Humans did not created the world,there was something before them.

I'm pretty spiritual myself but not affiliated with any organized religion so these threads are like being between two chairs for me

dawkins is literally the guy who said that he and all his atheist friends get tired of being 'outed' for having a christmas tree and celebrating christmas.

>hey buddy, you better believe my assertion with no proof that a flying cheese man created the universe or else you wear a silly hat
Really gets my noggin' joggin'

Even the Amazing Atheist just complains about other atheists all day.

Actually the logical next step from atheism would be objectivism
Leftist objective morality is just as spooky and subjective as religious objective morality

>if you disagree with me, you believe in a flying cheese man

This is why you lose

Yeah no fucking shit. Jesus was sent to cleanse Original Sin and open the gates of Heaven, which were closed by Original Sin. If you say the OT is allegorical, then that means god sent his son to die for a hypothetical sin in a fake garden with fake people that didn't exist. I'm sorry but that's ridiculous

Spirituality makes people happy and self confident,not materialism

Humans are special. It's impossible to ignore. We possess ontological knowledge. Jesus said, "Have I not told you that you are gods?" I don't endorse our mind being able to effect the universe outside, but to capture the objective universe in part, is true. Look at maths!

None of those numbers exist. They're representative of relationships and constants. They exist on the metaphysical plane which each of us is connected to. Our nature is constant across humanity. Our psychology, which is within our manipulation, is objectively based. God, who made the universe but is ultimately unknowable, is to us the force of Love. Just as Pepe exists as the force of Chaos. Only, Pepe is created. Let me tell you why Love is transcendent. It's about to get fun.

Part 3 incoming!

We follow the New Testament.