How do you feel about this country?

How do you feel about this country?

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>Country
Rightful Irish land

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Like Gibraltar it doesn't really exist.

A decaying colonial outpost soon to return to it's rightful indigenous owners as the corpse of it's occupier rots away.

Or something like that.

Yeah, yeah, Spaniards have been saying that for centuries.

You're probably correct on Northern Ireland, though. Frankly the place is more trouble than it's worth.

Honestly Northern Ireland basically gets to do whatever they please. Thanks to Blair they're essentially self-governing and no British politician wants to tell them to stop doing what they do for fear that they're being "oppressive."

And the Republic doesn't wanna request they play by the rules for similar (though not entirely so) reasons.

Only teasing, we stay have Ceuta in Morroco. It's quite hypocritical.

Your(UK) problem originates with Thatcher and the hyper-individualism. She was the one who cuts subsidies to Scottish shipyards, and Welsh coal mines, whilst aggravating the Indigenous (?) Irish in Northern Ireland.

All the whilst telling people they owed each other nothing, and that there was "no such thing as society".

Now combine that mess with mass immigration, and what is the UK?

Is it Downtown Abbey? This culture of the elite?

Just watch any working class person being interviewed up to the 70s:Logical argument, debate, good vocab.

Now look at a "Chav".

Hyper individualism = Death of Nation.

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>Northern Ireland

Can you imagine the cost of reestablishing the security perimeters again?

At the height of the "Troubles" the UK had 15,000 troops in N.Ireland. More than they sent to Iraq.

I think Peter Hitchen's recent article is illuminating:

hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2017/03/northern-ireland-a-lesson-in-defeat-how-to-recognise-it-how-to-avoid-it.html

Like I could march down to the corner store and say, 'I'll have a French Tickler!' and then give you the ol' what-for!"

>Northern Ireland
Our 51st state to keep tabs on the UK and the EU

Based, but we sold the British living there down the river by giving into SFIRA. Bring back direct rule and we will make Northern Ireland great again.

2bh I agree completely. Individualism and collectivism need to be utilised in tandem and applied appropriately, focusing one over the other tends to lead to bad results on both sides.

I don't hate Thatcher but I can definitely appreciate why there's a lot of the vitriol towards her, so I tend not to stick up for her, too much.

Blair certainly didn't help in the 90's when he tried TOO hard to correct what he saw as the sins of the past and ended up completely cucking us in the process. It'll be nice to see a leader that can actually learn the power of moderation, one day.

>County

Return clay.

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Ireland would be a richer country if it had been a part of the United Kingdom from day one.

It makes me happy knowing that they have spent centuries being bitter about division while the rest of the UK prospered.

If you mean finalncially, this is incorrect:

GNI PPP UK: 38,160 USD
GNI PPP IRL: 39,250 USD

And that is after chronic under investment by the UK (see complete lack of industrialization). And after the EU bailout.

As a Spaniard Ireland, and Scotland are used chronically in debates on Catalan, Basque independence.

Your not helping yourself stating falsehoods.

Additionally, they had a civil war/ conflict going on in less than 100 km from their capital.

If anything, the UK should be significantly richer than Ireland given all their geographical, territorial, material, and conflict related difficulties.

Check the graphs for Quality of Life...

The Gini-HDI adjusted for inflation ?

Based Ulstermen

We have the same problem.

We shit all over the Catalans and Basques but can't explain their superior performance.

Or more so, why their "owner" is performing so poorly.

Feels cunt man.

I'd still rather live in the UK dude, sorry. As much as you may hate it, its a better country to live in.

The 98.5 figure has surely gone down. A walk through Belfast these days is starting to look more and more like a walk through London.

Not really Hyper individualism, Thatcher pushed people out of work to start the economy moving again, labour was slowly pushing people out of the coalmines and into other manufactoring, but were investing in others before they shut them.

Thatcher essentially thought it wasn't going quick enough and shut the lot; while Heath and Wilson shut down nearly three times she did between them, they left oppertunities for the workers coming out, Thatcher left only the dole.

mass immigration, A culture of welfare dependancy, the death of noblesse oblige.

Northern Ireland is an entirely different problem seperate from that though, the troubles started in 1968, Home rule was revoked in 1972, Thatcher's government came in, in 1979.

>Our 51st state to keep tabs on the UK and the EU

Lol what? Ulstermen aren't fond of Hibernophillic yanks......neither are the Hibernians to be fair.

How so? Other than emotively?

I would rather live in "Spain" than as an immigrant somewhere else as well. So I don't understand your meaning.

>Country
It's Irelands Mexico. When are you coming down here for a job?

Blair expanded welfare dependancy and opened the flood gates on mass immigration, not only that but he squandered the budget surplus with ridiculous overspending on crap, and reduced are foreign policy to that of some Eastern European puppet state.

Blair and Thatcher between them have been the nails in the coffin.

This. I don't understand why people think it's either one or the other. It' like Yin and Yang. You need a mixture of both, you don't just be completely individualistic/collectivist.

The republic of Ireland overspends are is economically reliant on the UK as an agricultural bargin basement for corporate tax.

The ultimate cuckolds.

Red Hand is based as fuck as far as Sigils and Heraldry goes though.

>Northern Ireland is an entirely different problem seperate from that though, the troubles started in 1968, Home rule was revoked in 1972, Thatcher's government came in, in 1979.


I know only the most surface level stuff on it. But the "fictionalization" of the British Economy disproportionately hurt the regions.

It's crazy to look at how Scotland went from one of the Conservative majority regions to have Independence plebiscites.

But I'm also not sure how bad the EU's "no subsidies" rules played in forcing the unemployment.

Please tell me more Mohammad. Your country is officially a semi-Muslim state.
You're a nation of half breeds with very little cultural pride left. You fuck your national football and rugby teams off when they loose, and your national football league has more foreign players than actual English people. Not to talk of how Theo Walcott, Ox Chamberlain and Welbeck even look English seeing as theyre black.

Just glad we repealed the Act of Union 1801.

South Armagh people are the worst. They're actually just mutts who love cocaine and fighting.

And Melilla :^)

>It's crazy to look at how Scotland went from one of the Conservative majority regions to have Independence plebiscites.

Lol Scotland has always voted Whiggamore, its had Whiggamore Lords even before the act of Union.

>But the "fictionalization" of the British Economy disproportionately hurt the regions.

We're essentially living off financial services and low import rates, but thats all changing now, if you're watching the bank of England's policy of reducing the pound to bring up exports, the Governments budget is pushing towards bringing STEM and technological development here and I'm stoked for it.

You can blame Thatcher for closing the shipyards but you can't blame her for their decline, it was pretty inevitable the woman was just cruel in how she dealt with it.

>The republic of Ireland overspends

This is a meme, mate.

ONly around the bailout did they overspend.

-UK budget deficit is currently 5%
-Ireland's budget deficit is currently 3%

Ireland is also projecting to reduce GDP/debt to 70 % within 5 years.

>economically reliant on the UK

You make this sound like a subsidiy? Would you prefer Romanian meat? The UK doesn't produce enough to feed it's own people. Geographically Ireland is closer. It's mutually beneficial. Brexit etc. won't change that.

>bargin basement for corporate tax.

UK invented this with the "City" of London, Gibraltar, Isle of Man, Jersey, Guernsey, Bahama,Caymans etc...

It also doesn't seem to bother Luxembourg and Netherlands.

I don't think their success is based purely on corporate tax. Otherwise Estonia would be the richest.

It's amazing to me that in the current year...ahem....Britain still has rights over Northern Ireland. If the Irish weren't such shitty diplomats (part Irish here) they would've won their independence 70 years ago like the rest of the British empire. Where is Mahatma O'Grady when you need him??

SIMPLY THE BEST

You got triggered because your precious fleg got taken down. You're the original Shia Lacuck

>Ireland is also projecting to reduce GDP/debt to 70 % within 5 years.

Ireland has a non-existant welfare state and refuses to increase taxes, their hospitals are essneitally ran by Catholic charities, the UK has a large pocket to dip in for austerity Ireland doesn't and just screws everyone with low corporation tax; but the people won't even pay water charges.

>You make this sound like a subsidiy?
It basically is, Ireland is politically independant but economically dependant on us, which is why they joined the EU when we did and why in a few years its going to tear itself apart over wether to come out.

>UK invented this with the "City" of London, Gibraltar, Isle of Man, Jersey, Guernsey, Bahama,Caymans

Thatcs not really the same, offshore accounts when you can have low taxation like say, a Swiss bank account, isn't the same as having a de jure Headquaters based in Dublin.

>country?
kek

>At the height of the "Troubles" the UK had 15,000 troops in N.Ireland. More than they sent to Iraq.

a high of 25000 troops in the early 1970s

>Ireland would be a richer country if it had been a part of the United Kingdom from day one.

Nope.

Westminster was a shockingly mad, sectarian, land thieving incompetent blundering mess, as is the UKs constitution and sectarian monarchy.

>Ireland has a non-existant welfare state and refuses to increase taxes, their hospitals are essneitally ran by Catholic charities, the UK has a large pocket to dip in for austerity Ireland doesn't and just screws everyone with low corporation tax; but the people won't even pay water charges.

For sure this. I would prefer to be sick in the UK over Ireland. inequality is rising dramatically there also.

>t basically is, Ireland is politically independant but economically dependant on us, which is why they joined the EU when we did and why in a few years its going to tear itself apart over wether to come out.

By this logic, the US and the EU own the UK.

Ireland is the UK's 5th biggest trading partner as well. You sell a lot there. I believe Tesco is the biggest trader.

>hatcs not really the same, offshore accounts when you can have low taxation like say, a Swiss bank account, isn't the same as having a de jure Headquaters based in Dublin.

I think it's partly true. But a lot of what Ireland has attracted is because they use (your) Common law. US firms don't want the hassle of setting up in Spain. It's a major impedement that every EU country has a dissimilar legal code, and right and responsibilities.

Ireland vs. UK for investment used to be about costs of staff etc.. Now it's more about they are in the EU, have a similar legal system, and allow immigrants.

Total corporation tax earner is in fact lower in France,Belgium than it is in Ireland. The difference is they are transparent about it, while we continentals create ridiculous schemes that old the huge national "champions" can benefit from.

If you look at total corporation tax as a percentage of state revenue:

Uk and Ireland = 8%
Germany = 6%
France = 5%

So if anything, as a percentage of state revenue Ireland is over taxing vs. EU states.

Completely agree. Her strategy in Northern Ireland was absolutely terrible though. She massively and needlessly prolonged the Troubles.

As for OPs question. Northern Ireland's not so bad really. You can own guns. The education system is top notch too, much better than the rest of the UK. People are a lot more socially conservative as well. I don't think Ireland really wants it back, the Ulster Proddies are way more trouble than they're worth.

lol someones uncomfy.

>You're a nation of half breeds
Yep, and inbreeding creates weakness. We took our genetics from the scandinavians and the dutch and germans, you took yours from... the irish. Which is why we have won 125 Nobel prizes and Ireland has won 7.

>with very little cultural pride left
Compare British pride to Irish and I reckon you might see more a couple more union flags than bog stripes.

>Your country is officially a semi-Muslim state.
Of course it is. I mean there's more chance of an Irishman killing me in the street than a muslim, but sure, they're an issue too...

>You fuck your national football and rugby teams off when they loose
Well they suck, and for the money they earn they can either perform or fuck off. They don't suck as bad as your teams of course... Do they even turn up?

>your national football league has more foreign players than actual English people
We buy the best players from all over the world - football is a business, what did you think it was, a sport? Just because you cant afford it doesnt mean you should sass people who can.

>Just glad we repealed the Act of Union 1801.
In a way so am I. Ireland is the worst country in the world. It teaches its children to hate and kill people they have never met in the name of (LOL) "religion". A bunch of cold, wet, petulant wankers who have done nothing for the world for decades. You even failed to fight the nazis. What a bunch of cunts. Walk on Ireland.

>ailed to fight the nazis

I thought POL likes Nazi's?

Shut up spain - what does your country even DO.

>If the Irish weren't such shitty diplomats (part Irish here)

When your gorgeous, you don't have to "do" anything.

I feel like it should become part of the republic or piss off

>Yep, and inbreeding creates weakness.
not with a population of one million or above, this is a lie commonly propagated by pro-mass immigration loons

>Compare British pride to Irish and I reckon you might see more a couple more union flags than bog stripes.
If we're talking anecdotal experiences then I'd say you're wrong, I've been to Wales and they fly their own flag moreso than anything else it seems
meanwhile even where I live in the former pale you can't go very far without seeing a tricolour
I can see one from my window right now

>It teaches its children to hate and kill people they have never met in the name of (LOL) "religion".
no?

>You even failed to fight the nazis.
plenty went to fight of their own volition to the tens of thousands in number, we had no reason to assist in the destruction of Germany though, one of our former presidents even went around Dublin waving swastika flags when the Nazis lost because some west brits there were waving around union jacks

Well you are pretty spain - we'll give you that.

Why is the USA still occupying Texas?

>It's amazing to me that in the current year...ahem....Britain still has rights over Northern Ireland

This coming from a country which wiped an entire native indian population off the face of the earth and replaced it with casinos and trailer parks.