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/lrg/ LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL
Bentley Rogers
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Dylan Evans
GENERAL READING LIST (feel free to make suggestions to expand this list)
>Basic Economics - Thomas Sowell
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>The Law - Frédéric Bastiat
liberalstudies.ca
>Free To Choose - Milton and Rose Friedman
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>Nicomachean Ethics - Aristotle
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>Hayek’s The Constitution of Liberty - Eugene F. Miller
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>Liberalism: In the Classical Tradition - Ludwig von Mises
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>Man, Economy, and State - Murray N. Rothbard
mises.org
>Egalitarianism as a Revolt Against Nature, and Other Essays - Murray N. Rothbard
mises.org
Cooper Mitchell
HOPPE READING LIST
>The Economics and Ethics of Private Property (1993; 2006 2nd edition)
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>A Short History of Man: Progress and Decline (2015)
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>Democracy—The God That Failed (2001)
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>From Aristocracy, to Monarchy, to Democracy (2014)
mises.org
>The Myth of National Defense: Essays on the Theory and History of Security Production (2003)
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>The Private Production of Defense (1998; 2006 edition)
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>Economic Science and the Austrian Method (1995)
mises.org
>What Must Be Done (2009)
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Owen Young
WE WILL NEVER CAPITULATE.
Tyler Jones
That's fine, you guys are good at keeping the fags out.
Brayden Young
Got any of those books an audio? I don't have much time to read, but I have plenty of time to listen to audiobooks.
Benjamin Nguyen
Yeah there a good few of them on audio, aswell as hoppe has readings of his own books.
what do you want? I might be able to find a link.
Brayden Fisher
>tfw the only serious libertarian party in the world is in a country with two-party system
Grayson Anderson
Our Libertarian party isn't serious. it was originally created to see how many libertarians there were. not to get a libertarian elected for anything.
This is why I think they are such an embarrasment now a days. they pander to liberals to get votes instead of sticking to their guns.
Cooper Wright
Better than this communist hell anyway. Pls all american libertarians move to a small country like Finland to swing the election
Matthew Bell
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Jordan Rogers
>Our Libertarian party isn't serious
neither is your ideology
Charles Johnson
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Josiah Baker
nah m8 you gotta get to US. I don't think europe wants anyting close to a libertarian future. at least half of our republican party is libertarian tho.
Austin Brown
when you're finished turning your country into public property can we colonize it?
Kayden Gutierrez
Whats going on here? do you fags hate freedom or somthing?
Christian Rogers
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Evan Cook
marxism is a spook. also stirner would get #rekt if he was on my lawn.
Henry Murphy
>Serious
>This guy
Isaac Morgan
I fucking hate this mans dumb face.
Ayden Hill
republican liberty caucus > libertarian party
Nolan Hall
Ruined an entire campaign by being a lazy stoner and uttering three little words...
>What is Aleppo?
Amazing
Isaiah Perez
I wonder if the party has non-subverted people in it.
Could I be the hitler of the libertarian party?
>alright you cucks NO MORE OPEN BORDERS, NO MORE BAKING HOMO CAKES.
>MY FIRST DAY IN OFFICE I WILL SIGN AN EXECUTIVE ORDER TO MOVE ALL COMMUNISTS TO CALIFORNIA AND BRING ALL COOL PEOPLE TO THE REST OF THE STATES.
>I WILL DISOWN CALIFORNIA AS PART OF THE UNITED STATES
>MILITARIZE THE FUCK OUT OF THE US/CALIFORNIA BOARDER
>then we wait for them to destroy themselves or attack us/go to war with them. after war retake californa
America saved.
Hunter Lee
I support this message
Henry Evans
U guys r not bad.
Eli Ramirez
>AnCap
>Supporting Pinoche
????
Dominic Roberts
Pinochet is to AnCap as Taylor Swift is to NatSoc.
they're symbols thats it.
Landon Lee
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Camden Turner
>Damage control
Nathan Green
>libertarian
>right
nope.
Colton Cox
Whatever dude, I don't care what a marxist thinks.
go post pictures of stalin back of /leftypol/ faggot.
Owen Wood
Nazis are "third position" centrists. you're larping.
Ian Nelson
Right-wing libertarianism does not exist
Mason Sullivan
Can I stay here?
Zachary Phillips
how can ancaps ever recover?
Asher Evans
exist how? you mean the idea doesn't exist?
its the idea that a libertarian society would be more conservative as people would not be force not to discriminate againsts homos and shit.
>116319196
yeah you alright.
Benjamin Phillips
Capitalism requires a state. A true free market has never been done.
Prove me wrong.
Carter Ramirez
Alright, so let me get this straight,
the rich man doens't have to contribute anything to pay for the workingman's healthcare
but the workingman has to contribute to pay for the rich man's police protection?
How does that work?
Logan Wright
It's called feudalism. Anarcho-capitalism would be identical to feudalism.
Carson Jenkins
TIL, Chile is the shittiest country in South America because it didn't embrace Marxism....
...oh wait
Isaac Davis
''Libertarianism'' is still in the blue quadrant as the need to defend private property still exist, therefore, a state has to exist. It's why Hoppe unironically shills for monarchy. Your ideology is a failed one.
Ryan Campbell
Nobody forces the working man to work for rich man. It's voluntary.
Charles Parker
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Samuel Bailey
>the rich man doens't have to contribute anything to pay for the workingman's healthcare
Yes
>but the workingman has to contribute to pay for the rich man's police protection?
No
How did you get to this conclusion in the first place?
Jonathan Collins
I'm talking more about libertarianism
Also pretty sure ancap is different than feudalism, although it might end up with a similar arrangement.
but libertarians still force the workingman to pay taxes for the rich man's police, then say it's wrong to make the rich man pay for the workingman's healthcare.
>How did you get to this conclusion in the first place?
This is what libertarians say.
Jack Bailey
The Rich man doesent have to pay for other peoples healthcare
They Don't have to work for the rich man
They don't have to pay for police protection
No one HAS TO DO ANYTHING.
Lincoln Jenkins
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Connor Nguyen
>When reality doesn't meet your theory
Evan Kelly
>This is what libertarians say.
If there is any nonvoluntaryism, which is what you imply by the phrasing "HAS to contribute to pay for the rich man's police protection" then they're retards, not libertarians.
Either that or you're retarded as well.
Landon Roberts
have a (you)
Adrian Young
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Camden Jones
>that comic
>Sweden
Gotta love how it conveniently ignores the implications that:
1) Working is disincentivized by applying penalties (taxes)
2) Dodges the real argument - Taxes are THEFT, not SLAVERY - to strawman the argument.
wtf I'm a socdem now
Caleb Collins
>literally a radical centrist
Jackson Evans
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John Mitchell
look i get that any hierarchy (even a voluntary one) is evil to you. I don't agree. I just want to get rid of agression against peacful people. your angry mob civilization would totally suck.
Alexander Morris
I don't think so, I think people who DON'T believe what I say are either voluntarists or anarchists.
Basically all the libertarians I've talked to believe you have to have a tax-collecting state to protect
>muh negative rights
even though police protection is a service and saying you're entitled to it is a claim to a positive right...
Gabriel Cruz
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Logan Ward
you're mixing up all "libertarians" into one thing.
Theres left-libertarians who want open borders and positive rights.
Theres minarchists who say there needs to be a state for military. (dudeweed republicans)
and theres AnCaps who say no state is needed.
they call call themselves libertarians even though they differ in opinion.
Dominic Diaz
Not sure. I've always identified as a libertarian, but haven't yet really started reading deeper than surface policies. So what's best to start at?
Jeremiah Diaz
You can avoid working for the rich man by working for yourself (self employment), working within a voluntary collective, establishing a business or becoming a partner in a business and many others.
You can avoid paying taxes by not worki- oh wait, you can't - that only gets rid of the income tax, but property tax, value added tax and a fuckload of others gotta be paid anyway. The only real alternative to paying taxes is leaving the country (but at this point where to? taxes are everywhere nowadays) or going off grid (which is often illegal now), both of which are far from perfect solutions.
So no, work is still voluntary and taxes are still theft.
Nicholas Myers
>libertarian
>right
Julian Green
>What is the political compass
Joshua King
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Elijah Jackson
>Theres left-libertarians who want open borders and positive rights.
>Theres minarchists who say there needs to be a state for military. (dudeweed republicans)
No, libertarians invented the whole positive/negative rights thing in the first place, no libertarian believes the government should guarantee "positive" rights.
If you get rid of that and combine your "left-libertarians" and your "minarchists" you have a general outline of libertarians as such.
Leo Evans
Libertarianism is an offshoot of classical liberalism which was a leftist movement.
Isaiah Ramirez
>Posts pic of right leaning liberals
right and a "pure" libertarian would advocate againsts positive rights all together.
Maybe some of the economics centered books. Im currently reading Man, Economy, and State. Rothbard pretty much explains how value is created through production and other factors. and how theses factors work in a large economy
you can download the audioboook here
mises.org
I want to read The Economics and Ethics of Private Property by Hoppe next.
I think economics and property are the most important things to understand for libertarians.
Andrew Robinson
Left-libertarians aka US Libertarian Party aka Literal Retards. Don't expect them to grasp the concept of positive rights. They are lefties who think that it's really important we allow gay couples to defend their hemp fields with fully automatic guns. They'd call you a nazi for using n word or implying that blacks use the welfare system more than others, or, god-forbid, that we should abolish it. They are pure trash applying to themselves a label that never fit to them.
Isaiah Ortiz
>Dad went to WV University in the 80's and he was in training for the Army Rangers
>Communist party was big on campus
>Communists had tables with their propaganda set up in the student center
>Him and his friends knocked the tables over, sending all their papers flying, knocked their commie flag down
>Campus security saw what happened and just smirked and looked the other way
>Campus security was composed of Vietnam Vets who wanted to beat the shit out of commies and couldn't do anything about it
Thomas Collins
Good plan. Hear, hear!
Lincoln Garcia
>libertarian
>right
>believing that a general, abstract freedom exists
Robert Kelly
sup my freedom loving bros
Jack Perry
I'm a Minarchist. I believe the only duty of the State is to protect citizens from crimes such as property (theft/vandalism/etc) and personal crimes (assault/fraud/etc.), protect citizens from foreign invasion, and preserve the citizen's natural rights.
Everything else can be ran privately and free market.
I do consider myself a Libertarian.
Nolan Morgan
i like capitalism
Camden Moore
whatver cool guy. just stay off my god damn lawn.
Colton Wilson
Post-libertarianism / Neoreaction is the only true libertarianism.
Julian Rivera
You guys should read Murray Rothbard's "Anatomy Of The State" if you haven't already.
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He basically says the State is coercive and a parasite and goes against Natural Law.
Good, quick read
Tyler Scott
tl;dr the idea ?
James Watson
you really dont know much about them, do you?
there are libertarians hardcore enough to bash the civil rights act for impeding on their private property. t. dad is one of those libertarians
Camden Torres
Damn dude, you're dad must be pretty cool.
Jacob Johnson
i mean your. fuck!
Thomas Young
>right and a "pure" libertarian would advocate againsts positive rights all together.
Including taxpayer-funded police? So you agree that libertarians that oppose publicly funded healthcare and education on grounds of positive vs negative rights but support police on that basis are contradicting themselves?
Bentley Gray
because in his hearth your dad knows he was right
Hudson Murphy
Commies deserve a seizure!
Kevin Miller
Yes, they are not "true libertarians" if they want the state to protect property. they're still cool with me tho.
Christopher Adams
wtf is right wing about transgender child brothels who take bitcoin and heroin vending machines? Oh you're gonna "ban" or "outlaw" that? You're not a libertarian. I don't care if you don't call it government, you can call it private police or whatever the fuck. If you use organized force or violence to prevent anyone from doing anything you're a statist. Absolutely no rulers, no rules, no authority, no organization, no borders, no morality allowed or you're a statist authoritarian.
Carson Reyes
alright then I'm an authoritarian Statist and I will crush you under my boot if you try and take from me.
Landon Baker
not on my private land
now fuck off
Anthony Roberts
They might think that the minimum level of coercion for peaceful existence is to force a monopoly of violence.
Doesn't make them contradict themselves if you look at libertarianism as that.
Gabriel Thompson
children can't consent.
fuck off faggot.
John Martinez
>the minimum level of coercion for peaceful existence is to force a monopoly of violence.
So enough civil unrest can make the welfare state morally justified?
Carson Russell
bump.
Christopher Barnes
Also, can't you have a legally granted monopoly of violence (or license of violence) but not force people to pay for the service, e.g. voluntary posses and militias?
Leo Lee
LMAO at you losers, better start building me some roads while I live off of your tax money wageslaves