Automation is inevitable

Universal Basic Income can be one of the solutions. But what about life's meaning that people draw from their work?

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Universal basic income is not a feasible idea. What happens when you run out of other people's money to spend? It's just as broken an idea as any other leftist ideal. Automation isn't just the end of our jobs, it's the end of humans being employable in the first place.

Something like Fascism or Distributism with a population which is genetically engineered and uses large amounts of AI central planning and management via developed heuristic algorithms is the way forward desu. We and the machines we build will likely never be smart enough to automate away every uniquely human job like mathematician or philosopher.

>Universal basic income
>commie much?

I feel like if jobs started being automated it would give humans a chance to pursue work and study in more creative and complex areas because we wouldn't have to be subjected to mindless drone work in order to sustain a normal life. I could be wrong however. Almost how in I,Robot where we worked along side our robot companions but yknow without the whole genocidal revolution they try to commit at the end

>robots, so gibs me dat
Seriously, stop looking for an excuse to be a lazy bum

The ideal occupation for a human being is that of a parent or teacher. Automation should be embraced as a means to increase the birthrate of the white race.

>ITT: Fast food workers defend their masters.

UBI allows people to pursue their interests without boundaries. It would provide a safety net that would allow the average individual to take risks without the fear of abject poverty on failure. This means that the small-business owner can survive during the initial stage before their venture is profitable.

Artists, educators, inventors, even service personnel can work for their own edification and extra cash. A bartender may work a couple evenings a week for the social aspect and tips.

Crime will no longer need to be committed out of necessity, and the money that would have been spent on guards and bars around non violent offenders can be spent more efficiently on preventing the cause of their offenses. It is way cheaper to provide a bare existence then it is to provide a secure prison environment.

Cottage industries will pop up locally as people's natural inclination towards productivity will fill needs in their community. Shadetree mechanics and hairstylists can subsist on UBI while providing for their community's low-volume specific needs.

UBI great because it is simple, and it could work because it is inherently market based. Providing for the bare essentials of survival would make the market, specifically the individuals in the market, more freer and possibly more productive.

If automation reaches its logical conclusion, then UBI may be the only method that prevents revolution among the unemployed masses.

The money would come from the reduced costs and increased outputs an increasingly automated economy would produce.

>implying that AI won't make these decisions for us
>implying that we need to discuss

No but if you don't implement it you might see commies becoming more popular.. I know some right wing libertarians like Elon Musk are in favor of it

Fuck you and fuck your UBI. I welcome the unemployed revolution that will send you futurist faggots to death and let the normal people live their lives out.

t. Social darwinist

Defending universal basic income is like proclaiming you know nothing about economics.

>see I, Robot
>heart breaks as it becomes clear its the film
Really fuck you for that quarter second of hope.

Also UBI vs. Soylent Green option.

Molecular Assemblers
Scarcity would effectively cease to exist and we could devote all our time to fucking around until ayy lmaos show up and a society that has never known the concept has to deal with the return of scarcity.

Yeah, because it leaves everyone in poverty still. Quit feeding this false narrative of UBI to people. It will barely give everyone enough money to not die and will do just that. You won't see everybody going around being artists, writers, or whatever dreams YOU may have that doesn't involve going to work like an adult everyday. You'll still have riots, you'll still have commie heads on polls, and you'll still have the massive poverty that comes with automation.

No one is going to accept this, and you'll see a communist worker's revolution before you see a bunch of people accepting this UBI shit. I'd honestly rather see the communist revolution, because at least then the faggots calling for automation of all will be hung by the neck after watching their children and wives get raped and killed by the revolutionaries.

>magic post-scarcity socialism machine
Nah, maybe the mass produced yeast vat sludge.

according to CuckPGGrey
humans will be preferable for a while longer
very low wages and 0 initial cost is still better in most industries

>I can finally become a forest-dwelling blacksmith with a pilot's license and spend all of my breaks hiking with my wife's sons
sounds pretty decent desu

Most people don't draw their live's meaning through work but through consuming. They don't work for the work itself, they work to be able to get stuff.

Fucking over every single person that will not be able to buy your "efficiently" products is social Darwinism. You'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to think people will sit by and let you destroy their lives and still be able to make a profit without anyone in work. Futurists are retarded and must be wiped out before they reproduce more naive retards that will end the world.

Universal basic income is a meme.

They'll just let the poorfags starve

Automation creates more jobs retard.

Jesus Christ, go smoke some more DMT from a crackpipe you fucking retard.

UBI will keep them just above starving level. Proponents of this are a bunch of retards living in Silicone Valley who think just giving people enough to live will keep them from rioting.

Not going to happen.

>but if you don't implement it you might see commies becoming more popular
But that's irrelevant in a automatised society.

No pointing in fearing someone that isn't even able to feed themselves

How so? If the economy become automized, doesn't it become impossible to not do UBI?

People are creative. If robots produce goods for us, we'll still be working on some stuff, just not on those goods.

What are you even talking about, bud? If the machines become cheap enough and efficient enough, the prices go down. It is already cheaper to include machines and robots in a production process than human workers (see: cars).

>Futurists are retarded and must be wiped out before they reproduce more naive retards that will end the world.

Ah, I see. You're trying to use me. Congrats, you did it.

What if the poorfags revolt?

>But what about life's meaning that people draw from their work?
>tfw arts degrees become in demand

Idk work here is a few I quads

Even artistic and other jobs we associate with human creativity, are done better by AI. If you don't like UBI, what do you suggest then?

>jobs disappear to soulless devil machines
>can't create jobs for humans pre-automation
>we'll still be working on stuff

Why would our overlords not just let you die when you are not needed anymore?

Yes, we'll bet back into being artisans. In an automated society, heavy labor and administrative jobs are not necessary anymore.

>What if the poorfags revolt?
There are two options for it:
1. The rich and relevant humans will hide in somewhere secure and let the poor starve during one year(perharps less), then they'll clean the streets.

2. They mount death squads to kill them. It's not like killing a bunch of hungry people is that hard.

Because then we'd revolt wouldn't we?

Problem: automation is replacing low skill workers low skill workers increasingly won't have work opportunities

Tfw no quads wtf rng

How about you just get a job or kill yourself.

I am sick and tired of faggots that as soon as a machine can replace them their initial taught is "FREE GIBS PLOX" especially since most of those faggots don't have jobs in the first place.

You mean meets? Or NEETS lol wtf I love anime bro

Starving artisans, yes. At least as an industrial revolution peasant you got vouchers to the company store.

If you think we survive once we aren't needed anymore. We will be culled like the herd of cattle we are.

our meaning will be all autist anons of all the globe working for the perfect fembot AI waifu, the perfect men's companion

Why would they let the poor starve, what's the purpose of that? In a fully automated society, the poor don't have to starve due to a very big surplus. In a non-automated society, the rich need the poor to till the land and do hard labor.

>welfare already fuck up everything
>give everyone welfare

i doubt that. the overlords love feeding poorfags, because having a whole class of people completely dependent on them basically gets them off - it's the ultimate power trip. that's why they're so hung up on the fates of incapable shitskins. it's the christian pathology taken to the nth degree.

>starving

Nope. Due to farming being automated, lots of food will be produced efficiently and at a low cost.

>implying we won't just become useless to them
>implying they want to give money to useless beings just because

Be less naive

sorry user but this time the retard are you, next time learn a bit more about the topic

What the hell is wrong with you people and these flags wanting to be cucked into slavery?
Are you getting lots of vaccinations?
On medication?
I really want to know what makes you all such fucking cucks so I can avoid it like the plague
What in the actual fuck?

You just have to run it through. Eventually if the ai can do everything cheaper and better than humans, the society will have to be reorganised. Ubi is one of the ideas being floated. What do you think the majority of the world's population will do when they don't have jobs?

Farming is already efficient and mechanized to shit. Robots are going to make it exactly 1 farmer cheaper to produce the same amount.

>What do you think the majority of the world's population will do when they don't have jobs?

just look at Africa and you know.

Oh definitely. A lot of us will become useless, but they wont let us starve, it is not in their self-interest. They know that if they let us starve we will revolt.

They will give us money in order to retain power.

They will most likely be doing drugs.

>Why would they let the poor starve, what's the purpose of that?
Because poor people would be useless parasites.

>In a fully automated society, the poor don't have to starve due to a very big surplus.
You can't make raw materials from nothing

>Even artistic and other jobs we associate with human creativity

Nope, maybe music but not drawn art

What? How does automation create jobs?

For the poor not to starve would require them to access said surplus, which isn't necessarily granted

UBI will work, but only after we unify our country in a national socialist framework. Shitskins and Jews will abuse the system by spending the money on drugs and whores so they have to be expelled. The system will have to maintain a meritocracy to encourage lawfulness and constant self-improvement. People will have to make a good case for why their UBI should be higher instead of lower. Also, some social activity will have to be designed to replace employment, we can't have everyone turning into shut-ins and lay-abouts.

Not just one farmer, maybe 3 or 4, but machines will be able to do is much faster and more efficient than a human being on a tractor.

>In a fully automated society, the poor don't have to starve due to a very big surplus

news flash, we already have a shitload of surplus, still million of people starving.

they could engineer a deadly bacterial plague if they wanted to reduce the populace. antibiotics will stop working in a few generations, and international travel risks spreading disease extremely quickly. then they will have plausible deniability, because nobody would be able to prove that the plague wasn't natural.

They feed poorfags/shitskin because it's a way to stay in power.

Eliminating the worker/white/middle class votes means that the people that receive welfare will elect those that gave them welfare.

In a automatised society, their votes means nothing

colonizing and the service industry maybe. That would still leave 95% unemployment

Sick bantz

This is completely far fetched and quite optimistic, you underestimate that useless means useless and that they could protect themselves easily. By the way, if what you said would become true eventually (which I strongly doubt), that would translate to slavery, and they'd have to punish anyone who tries to privately live without their tools. Horrific.
STOP AUTOMATION NOW

It will literally be a self-driving tractor, it's not even necessarily more efficient.

>Because poor people would be useless parasites.

Useless parasites with a lot of opinions and a very high self-esteem. If you start killing those they might, you know, get mad.

>You can't make raw materials from nothing

I know, and I accept that the population will have to decline: the globe already is having a hard time sustaining current population levels.

Indeed, the government has access to those surpluses (which is why I reject Marxism), but the government sees that it is not in their self-interest to just let people starve or kill them.

Learn how to program retards

Why are you implying the elites are humane enough to care if we live?
This is more likely to happen

Ah perfect idea. Lets have 100% of the population programming.

The vast majority of jobs a person is able to do will easily be able to be done better by a computer in 20-30 years time.

A general AI is not too distant in the future. It's closer than we think. The question is not if it will happen, it's when. This societal setup will not survive that. The governments are already on this shit. It's not possible they aren't. Tesla can put the entire trucking industry out of work tomorrow if it's allowed to do it. Why do you think it's not happening already? The government is slowing it down.

Who cares? Less work to do, work less. But no reward without working even if this work was useless.

You have be a literal child or a brainwashed cuck to think UBI will EVER be a thing

You know whats going to come with automation? Genocide.

>Implying we should let them access it anyhow

>high self esteem
>no job
>killing
>neglect to feed someone who can't feed themselves
Eh, no.

Stop fucking shilling this shit.

Less work to do, work less? You're saying the answer to automation is to have a high level of the population unemployed?

The surplus is geographically located. I am not necessarily looking at this from a global scale. The countries where people are starving are countries that do not have a surplus, most likely.

Look buddy. I am not even necessarily in favor of full on automation. I'm just convinced it will happen in about... 100 years.

It actually is. Still requires 1 less farmer to do the work.

ever read the story 'the happy breed' by john t. sladek? possibly the most haunting shit i've ever read.

>Universal Basic Income can be one of the solutions.
Welfare state is not a solution. Just because people are so small minded does not mean that there will be no work. There will be plenty of things to do that others will pay for.

This is a meme idea, and flawed.

Where does the UBI come from IF no one is working and therefore taxes are not being paid?

Everyone wants to talk about UBI, but no one can really provide a road map on where it comes from in the first place.

Just plan my whole life why dont you. This is why as much as i hate the current cut-throat all or nothing system we have now. I cannot fucking begin to understand why you want some fucking group of people who dont give a shit about YOU, yes YOU IN PARTICULAR, to put more limits on your shit. I go to work and yeah i would love to sit at home and do fat dabs all fucking day and go rip my s2000 to shit every fucking night but i dont because im a fucking adult. Stop being a lazy fuck because half of you retards here begging for the UBI dick are the same retards that complain about nigs on gibs.

>What do you think the majority of the world's population will do when they don't have jobs?

Hopefully not breed anymore useless people.

But they will have access.

There are too many useless people on earth already. Why should the useful people support them? That will just make the problem worse. Don't feed the pidgens

That's where you are wrong kiddo. businessinsider.com/google-to-auction-trippy-artwork-made-by-ai-2016-2

>The countries where people are starving are countries that do not have a surplus, most likely.

and thats their fault, its mostly nigger countries. They have the best climate for farming and would yield more shit than in Europe or the US, but when they they gona "decolonize their minds" they just burn whitey and his satanic technology that feeds them.

And the other thing is, with the current surplus we have globally there would be no cone starving.

I legit feel bad for Europeans.

Its genetic bro, they are the cuck and coward offspring. All the real men died in WW2

>Useless parasites with a lot of opinions and a very high self-esteem. If you start killing those they might, you know, get mad.
How many time do you think that someone can wage a war agains't the system using outdated weapons and no food?

Riots are feared because they can destroy or slow the productive system, as the rioters are also workers.

Stopping a riot is ridiculously easy, if said rioters are useless humans.

>I know, and I accept that the population will have to decline: the globe already is having a hard time sustaining current population levels.
Yes, by killing the people that would be able to get into UBI...

That would means centuries of resources to those in power

Yes,we all know how shitty your education system is. Tell us about it.

It's surely in their plans, that's why it has to be stopped now or it'll be too late.
No, thanks man, I'll check it out. Much of our literature has been predicting a lot pf shit that we're seeing now, but we're too stupid to see it (still people don't believe about government surveillance) or too badly organized to do something about it.

>Universal Basic Income can be one of the solutions.
federal jobs is a better solution than this.

it will never happen.

Somebody finally talks about that decolonization bullshit

Automation not only leaves less work but also reduces prices. Little human input crates huge value.
Now are you working because you like to? Lets assume working is not a pleasant thing. You want to work as little as you want for as much as you want.
So is there a reason to work 8 hours a day if you get all the money you want? Work 4. Hire twice as many people.

Only problem here is that it works only in free market. It's not beneficial for employer to higher more people since there are additional costs put upon them so they milk every one as much as they can.

What about neo-luddites? The people seeing that the machines in an automated economy only serve the top of society, so they destroy them?

>Yes, by killing the people

How? Water poisoning? A man-made virus?

Can't run out when the population is reduced

Automation taxes, and print currency to match population growth.
Currency is used to distribute limited resources, but with automation and science both finding new ways to generate resources, there's no reason a UBI wouldn't work.
Plus there will always be purists and industries who can find/generate work for humans who want to work and/or earn more money.

>when a Brazilian is a million times more sensible than a bunch of Eurocucks

ffs