How to drop out of society

Suppose one doesn't want to live in this wretched society anymore. Suppose one doesn't want to follow the work-consume-die ratrace for his entire adult life, chasing the increasingly illusory dream of maybe not having to work anymore at a certain age. Suppose one doesn't want to, on his deathbed, finally realise his entire life was spent on slaving away for someone else's profit.

Suppose one wants to live free and autonomous like his forefathers did, on his own property, working his own field, growing his own crops, making his own living, searching for his own meaning in life and not abiding the one society has attributed to him.

How could this be achieved?

Things to consider and to spark the conversation:
>How many square meters (possibly even hectares) of land would be necessary to sustain one person properly?
>What kinds of crops would have to be grown in order to sustain a healthy, sufficient and varied diet?
>What about animals for slaughter?
>How much money per month would one still need if he doesn't want to go full ascetic, poo-in-loo sadhu style? Factoring in clothing, tools, heating (unless trees are logged), electricity (?), medicine, and the occasional emergency purchase?
>If he doesn't want to go full ascetic, where would he get that money from?
>Which country would be best suited for such an undertaking, factoring in real estate prices, immigration laws, building laws, hunting laws, access to civilisation (for emergencies) and any other factor one might be wise to include?

On survival:
>How much "outdoors experience" would one have to acquire before his departure so he doesn't starve or freeze to death in his first winter?

On psychology:
>Would it be advisable to bring some likeminded individuals to fight the loneliness?
>If yes, which kind of ruling system should be in place so their little hippie commune doesn't fall apart on the first major disagreement?
>If no, what could a total hermit do in order to fight loneliness?

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Rabbits are a good source of meat for one person.
Chickens to but I would rather keep a few chickens for eggs rather than meat because you have to feed them grain.

You should read Plato The Republic it explains pretty well why such a lifestyle would collapse without a bare minimum of co-operation with a number of others.

no land worth living on is not regulated and taxed to some degree. You have to contribute to some society. The world was bought and paid for a long time ago.

its not that I haven't thought of this

it's just... your asking society for help you abandon society
just seems degenerate

Just be a farmer.

This. There is no escape. You need money to "drop out."

I've heard that rabbits are completely non-nutritious though? Can any hunters confirm/deny?

If you try to live off rabbit meat you die.

Find someone you can trust with a large bit of land, let them own it and pay for it while you live off the land remotely and manage it for him

>buy land
>plant crops
>sell the ones you don't eat to pay tax
>get sick
>die because you have no healthcare

yes, you can get protein poisoning if you eat only rabbit for a while

I'm going into manufacturing, so if I'm not retarded and work hard, I should be able to save up money so I can buy land somewhere and live off it. I was thinking Colorado, or some other state where there was no one around. Maybe one of the northern states that are empty as fuck, or if I'm really desperate, fuck off up to Alaska.

Build some farmbots, dig a well, get a propane tank, collect rainwater. Stockpile digital media as well as books and CD's and shit.

My long term goal is to have a custom fabrication business, so I could use that, and any cash crops or other things I can make on my little plot of land to pay property taxes. Have some dogs and a falcon for falconry, stockpile guns too.


One person can have enough space to grow food and raise some small livestock on like, 1 or 2 acres IIRC.

I just want to fuck off and be alone so I can safely watch the rest of the world burn. If I have to and can't get property, I'll go find the biggest emptiest forest on American land and hide away and survive there. Fuck the rest of literally everything.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_poisoning
Who needs hunters when you have wikipedia?

its not possible unless you're already an exceptional survivalist with exceptional resources... and even then, you'd have to pay land tax, or be thrown in jail for squatting on someones property.

it's not possible. abandon the notion.

>You need money to "drop out."

Of course! That's why we're discussing which countries would be most suitable for this endeavour.

Developing countries like South America would be a guess. Climate is pretty tame while real estate wouldn't be that pricey. With, say 50,000 bucks you should be able to buy quite a large piece of land there.

Depending on your country and profession you'd have to earn that money first of course. But if you live frugally (and I mean: really frugally) for the next 5 - 10 years or so, you should be able to achieve that. One plus side of this "earning money phase" is that it would already prepare you for at least SOME hardships you might face later - especially the psychological "how to live poor" kinda thing.

>Find someone you can trust with a large bit of land, let them own it and pay for it while you live off the land remotely and manage it for him

Would still be dependent on somebody else. What if, after 30 years or so, he doesn't want you on his property anymore? Or he dies and his children cast you out? You would have been unemployed for 30 years then, which would basically mean a zero point zero percent chance of landing a job - which would make you a hobo overnight.

>If you try to live off rabbit meat you die.

You can't live off meat alone in general. The same way vegans collapse if they don't get their artificial protein shakes every day, you'd be malnourished of living off meat alone. Also, you'd be extremely fat and likely die of a stroke 5 years in.

I did just this in the early 1980s I did not work between 1983 and 1995 I went on grateful dead tour throughout the United States and there was in fact an alternate universe that had been in place operating functioning since the 60s I found that world and lived in it for 12 years .

I have no idea how you would do it today sorry

I FUCKING LOVE HERMIT CRABS

I've thought about this for ever. I agree with other anons its not realistic if you dont have money.
I'd find a job still or do this when I retire.
I'd get an RV or maybe just a car and a tent. I'd have money to cover everything, but would slowly learn to use less and less money from there.
For me I am a driver so I feel like I can find work anywhere, but always wanted to pick up farming experience.

Alaska is the only hope you get paid like $2500/y for just living in the state plus dirt cheap property tax. Other wise yes you need income to pay taxes and shit

>its not possible unless you're already an exceptional survivalist with exceptional resources

Nothing that can't be learned. There'd be a lot of learning involved before departing for real, of course.

>and even then, you'd have to pay land tax

Don't know how things are in the US but in my country you pay land tax exactly once - when you buy it.

>or be thrown in jail for squatting on someones property

You'd buy the land of course. And if you can only afford a plane ticket - I don't think anybody would even be able to find you if you squat in some backwards Patagonian 10,000 km2 property, let alone throw you out.

Buying the land would be preferrable of course.

Alaska is where I'd want to go, but I didnt know that. I want to be a driver there since I figured they need people to drive in windy conditions etc.

I like this continent so I dont plan to go to others. Backpacking seems dangerous in most countries. Even the US is not as hospitable as it was. People are afraid of everyone else.

Adopt Buddhism/Hinduism and become a monk

next question

You really couldn't unless you lived as a transient. If you owned land, you wouldn't be off the grid. If you lived on someone elses land, they would know or find out eventually. If you lived out in public land in the mountains or something, someone will find you and the government will shut your shit down.

I mean, maybe if you went out into the middle of nowhere in Canada or Russia, nobody would ever find you, but you'll be fighting the brutal elements on shitty land for farming and far away from any type of hunting resources, unless you made your own arrows or some shit and became an expert at field stripping animals and preserving the meat.

So basically you will never be off the grid unless you go full hermit in the middle of nowhere, with nobody.

>Adopt Buddhism/Hinduism and become a monk

That's funny because I was already thinking about that for a while. I find Buddhism a pretty ... I don't know ... "truthful" religion, with all its "the more you want, the less satisfied you'll be" stuff.

Problem is, I don't want to meditate all day. Also, as every religion does, it constrains your mind and forces you to think in a certain way, avoid certain thoughts deemed evil etc. That's not exactly my definition of freedom.

>That's funny because I was already thinking about that for a while. I find Buddhism a pretty ... I don't know ... "truthful" religion
Every religion is right in some way user, it's not like men just made up a bunch of nonsense, eastern religions are just more comprehensive and less metaphorical

>Problem is, I don't want to meditate all day
Me neither, I just chant Hare Krishna and meditate occasionally while also using psychedelics

>it constrains your mind and forces you to think in a certain way
This is hilariously ironic, the goal of Hinduism and Buddhism, and indeed every religion is enlightenment essentially, freeing your mind of the bondage you're in currently. Of course you can't do this if you continually indulge in actions that bind your mind and restrict your consciousness. The reason religions prohibit things like greed, lustful sex, laziness, etc. isn't because of a "it's morally bad" stance, it's because it actively inhibits your own growth


Plus how can you learn anything at all if you don't first surrender to a teacher?

>This is hilariously ironic, the goal of Hinduism and Buddhism, and indeed every religion is enlightenment essentially, freeing your mind of the bondage you're in currently.

So, in order to be "free" (in an "enlightened" sense), one has to "unfree" himself and put restraints on himself first ... That's why I don't necessarily think Buddhism is my cup of tea entirely.

Which doesn't make your post wrong in any way, however.

Calm down, Yamato.

You don't drop out, you shine as an example.

You're a national socialist right?

ACT LIKE ONE

We should be the new elite, and replace these diseases indigo pill pedophile faggots and the jewish vampiric subhuman garbage.

Read several books, workout, learn rigorous fields, do not neglect your esoterics, and live a healthy moral life.

We cannot simply gain control just because "muh Fuhrer" we have to prove we are superior first.

Learn to hack and move to Moldova or Southeast Asia. The cost of living there is much cheaper than America - you can get an apartment in Chiang Mai for 70 dollars a month. There are various money making methods out there that can pay your way, some of which are illegal, some of which aren't. You don't have to steal credit cards to survive - I know people who run Roblox and Runescape private servers who put away a few grand per month and they are able to live well, while getting paid in Bitcoin and avoiding all the red tape of dealing with the United States.

There is a growing hacker community in Bangkok and Chiang Mai. Not just Nigerian scammers, but digital nomads who are out there doing cool shit. You've been here long enough, put your skills to use and live off the fat.

I think you may have the wrong conception of what you're seeking to restrain in the first place

The fetters of the mind, or "sins" in Christian sense, are in and of themselves what bind you to the world. Hate, greed, envy, etc ARE the restraints and the more you allow yourself to express them, the more restrained you become. I suppose in a meta way of thinking of it it is restraining the restraints like you say, but for a good cause.

You can't cure an addiction by simply allowing freedom wherever you see fit. You have to restrain the flow in order to achieve freedom from the addiction.