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Do people ACTUALLY believe that Destiny won this shit?
LIKE, LMAO. God I hate nu Sup Forums
Being bad at debating doesn't make your points invalid.
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Do people ACTUALLY believe that Destiny won this shit?
LIKE, LMAO. God I hate nu Sup Forums
Being bad at debating doesn't make your points invalid.
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he must have been pretty bad because they also think Trump is a good debater
>He failed to convey and defend his points! They're still valid!
A valid point doesn't mean you can convince anyone if you can't defend it. At best, he got a few brownie points with literal nazis and lost far, far more than he stood to gain (like advertisers or connections)
>jordan peterson and sam harris have a new talk online
>nu/pol/ is rambling on about zany ecelebs and a gamer who deems himself smart
go back to r/ledonald, scum
I actually agree with jontron 100%
If america was more like japan we wouldnt bbe having these fucking problems
Japan is a classic example of a first world nation because it is kept in place by nationalism, tradition, and moves forward with honor, logic, and a protectionist/isolationist mindset.
If you seriously sacrifice your cultural identity and thousands of years of people bleeding to create something great, all because your population is declining, you are a fucking retard.
Once populations hit lows, they bounce back, things fall apart, but they bounce back, this has happened and DOES NOT require a country to be invaded by another ideology.
Because he did.
Listen politics aside, if you look at how their narratives were respectively brought forth, Destiny did WAYYYYYY better than JonTron.
He was more articulate, had more facts, forced his opponent to abandon positions or go off topic.
Whether you agree with either is irrelevant, the truth is not what is judged in debate, the strength of the argument is, both offensively and defensively.
>Sam Harris
Love me some Jordan Peterson though desu-senpai
This fucking kike forgot what an analogue was
I'm not into sam harris but in the end, it's a conversation between 2 people
Jordan peterson also has a new speech on, if you want him alone
>If you seriously sacrifice your cultural identity
Japan DID sacrifice its cultural identity.
After WW2 they essentially abandoned their heavenly appointed leader to submit to a foreign powers wishes.
America would thrive so hard if they picked up some Japanese policies.
>Being bad at debating doesn't make your points invalid.
this is why you don't debate liberals in front of a liberal audience
there's nothing to gain. take notes kids
I got the feeling from the debate that there was a serious distance between Destiny and JonTron. Most of the time JonTron was incredulous that Destiny was saying half the shit he was and Destiny was just digging himself in further by violently and autistically arguing his points. If anything, the only way they could make the argument that Jon lost was because he really just didn't care and Destiny did to an autistic degree. They both thought that each other's points were so absurd there wasn't any point to debating them.
I'm happy Trump and Shinzo are planning to be close.
It warms my heart that we could have a culture even vaguely similar to Nippon.
It is as much as we can salvage now, from the hands of the kikes and niggers.
JonTron was correct in all that he said but Destiny still won the debate.
>he lost more material shit and support from this debate
Okay, and?
>White countrys should be allowed to stay white
>NAHH WHAT THATS NOT WHAT AMERICA IS ABOUT
>First law passed by congress.
>only free white man with good character are allowed to migrate
>didnt consider black people human
>WAHAHAHA THATS NOT WAHT AMERICA IS ABHOUt
fucking slide destiny thread that kid has autism and a Mexican girlfriend who he is cucking for,
Can someone PLEASE define irony to me?
he was wrong on the "rich black, poor whites" quip but im sure he mispole and ment to say "homicide" not "crime". in all he pretty bassed and i never though someone who appeals to normies so much would say
>"people tend to want to stick to their own kind"
love this timelime
Which one of you MADMANS did this?
>japan
>tradition
after you litterally turned their people into ash in ww2 you made them americanize and adopt your culture
japan is not a traditional country
Nobody, that's seriously his middle name.
He's Iranian.
Deep down it is.
Yes but the people weren't replaced.
jon debated fucking horribly
too much of a pussy to delve into genetics or hardcore race stuff. Clearly argues for white majority but won't say why.
Ctrl+f'd his Wiki, haven't found it.
I thought this was cached in search engine, my bad.
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blacks in the top 10% of economic status commit 20x as many murders as whites in the lowest 10%.
>deep down american is dancing around open fires and slapping your mouth while you scream
thats still not america today
Jon bringing up Japan was more about making Destiny say that other countries should be populated by people of other nationalities to expose his shitty double-think. Destiny just got autistic about 'Japan is racist' and drove that somewhere else. He attacked his example and ignored the argument that Jon was making.
Deep down Japan is, illiterate potato nigger.
It's very simple OP. When someone you disagree with loses a debate (and you have no interest in intellectual honesty), it doesn't matter what the reasons are.
That's how you can tell someone's intentions, it's very obvious.
If they are just kinda blindly defending Jon, they likely agree with him and don't care about intellectual honesty, because he really argued his points poorly.
If they are defending Jon on the basis that he had reasonable arguments that were just poorly argued, their true intentions are harder to discern but they are also trying to be intellectually honest.
If they are shitting on Jon and gloating about how his life is over (which is insane lol I know a kid with 120k youtube subs who is retired at 23) then they just disagree with his opinions and want to see his message damaged as much as possible. These people say really forceful but vague shit and will always avoid talking about the actual things Jon discussed, because if that subject comes up it will become immediately clear that they are disingenuous. They don't care about how he lost the argument, they are just happy that he did.
This is all pretty basic stuff but there are a lot of newfags who don't understand this, so here you go
Right, he might as well go all out at this point. Maybe, it's because he's a little bit mudblood, who knows? His arguments would be much better if he didn't cuck.
you have to understand that these wealthy black people still live in black neighborhoods with shit ghetto black culture.
I'm sure you'd love to pin this on race alone, but it's so much more than that. There is nothing in black dna that condemns them to a life of eternal retardation. It is ghetto culture in America that says gang banging is cool and education is bad and no matter how wealthy you are, you may not be able to overcome that mentality. Reminder that a lot of rappers and athletes (not the most intelligent bunch) are black and wealthy.
Nigerians are 4 times more likely than US born blacks to get a degree, yet both are black. I'm sure there exists some biological difference between the genetics of races that allow for differences in potential intelligence/aggression, however I don't think the difference is so big that it determines black people are doomed to be retarded gang banging apes forever. It's a culture problem, not a race problem. It just so happens the culture afflicts mainly a certain race, mostly because white people only recently stopped burning down black businesses.
>Being bad at debating doesn't make your points invalid.
Why are you so retarded?
if america was more like japan you'd probably be a depressed alcoholic business man
fucking delusional
>parrots alt-right talking points heard repeated in media hundreds of times over
>opinion is challenged on a fundamental level
>nervous laughter ensues
it's quite clear jontron is not well-versed in politics, yet he chooses to hold these strong, controversial opinions. A popular public figure should at least have come prepared. For example, he confidently asserts that "poorest whites commit less crime than wealthiest blacks", yet people have not been able to find this clear statistical source from the justice bureau. The pictures posted on twitter are complete bogus. Jontron is a complete fool for attempting to debate. I guess he felt safe thinking the internet gamer culture would come to his defense? Either way, poor show Jon.
>Youtube isn't self-indulgent by definition
weeeew
just because jontron was wrong doesnt make destiny right. jon argued from emotion which is understandable, he most likely felt this way for a long while and is onpy now getting to talk about it in the open. plus destiny debates people all the time and he still isint good at it
All destiny had to do was virtue signal the whole time
it takes no intelligence to do that
i'm a leftist and even i could do what destiny did
Jontron won for sure, he actually made logical points.
The problem is obviously symbiotic, but there is plenty to suggest that race is the larger factor such as the Colorado Adoption Project. Also, Nigerians who move to the US are most likely of the highest IQ of their country, so it's pretty obvious as to why they're able to attain degrees.
Heres a bit of info for you
When america did an overhaul of the Jap's "culture" we instilled our culture FROM THAT TIME PERIOD, and the japanese being the stubborn bunch that they are incorporated it into their habit of strictly following rules.
America, in the late 50's through the 60's and 70's was DESTROYED culturally, and has been declining since, while japan DID NOT have that massive cultural shift during that time.
Japan is basically like what america would have become if there was no 60's and 70's moral corruption and marxist infection. Japan did what we COULDNT DO and its thanks to japan's stubbornness, nationalism, and xenophobia.
The bombs were dropped and the system of government changed but japan was VERY nationalistic in regards to culture after the occupation and remained so.
Nobody gets "replaced" with immigration you idiot.
Its not like Muslim are coming to America and the government is evicting citizens and just giving the immigrant all their shit.
*i'm not a leftist
Destiny has a problem Hillary has: the voice. It's way too irritating to want to listen to this guy talk for more than a minute. I know it's superficial, but it adds to how shit tier he is at debating.
Which makes it even more sad and frustrating that Jon lost, and I'm inclined to believe the rumor that Jon was not aware it was going to be like a formalized "debate."
> l-l-lol we'll totally destroy JonTron
Faggot you got Milo cause you got lucky, JonTron's here to stay.
Simple, if a retard told me in broken english that 2+2=4, it would still be true.
The goal of leftists is to convince you that the person saying 2+2=4 is a retard to undermine the facts while using a bunch of meaningless moral platitudes to explain to you that 2+2=5.
they both sucked. jon needs to learn to hide his power level a little bit and play to his audience and destiny is clearly a liberal faggot who only knows what media matters feed him. he honestly sounds like those leftwing shitposters who used to infect this board back when it was more libertarian ronpaul pre-trump.
>RED STATES LEECH OFF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
has nothing to do, of course, with federal policy, which dictates who gets what money.
>JAPAN'S POPULATION PROBLEM IS BECAUSE THEY DONT LET MUSLIMS IN
has nothing to do with the emergence of planned parenthood (the concept, not the organization) combined with the lesser value put on women resulting in an extremely tilted male majority who, in large numbers, give up on sexual relationships entirely.
>There is nothing in black dna that condemns them to a life of eternal retardation
no but high test and lower iq
can contribute. plus their are behavioral differences
>
Nigerians are 4 times more likely than US born blacks to get a degree, yet both are black
most african americans are west affricans, the differences between them and nigerians would be the same as irish and russians. plus the ones comming from nigeria are tge higher tier ones
>however I don't think the difference is so big that it determines black people are doomed to be retarded gang banging apes forever
nutrition accounts for around 5 iq points. plus the mean iq in some african countries are 75, so you need to assume that half are ever more retarded
>civic nationalism/10
lurk moar
Didn't know about the Colorado adoption project
looking it up but i dont see stuff about race here, can you give me a rundown/link?
Also your last statement proves my point. Those Nigerians are also wealthy enough to immigrate legally. They dont have shit ghetto black culture there. Combine these two and it is proof as a control group of black people that when they dont have garbage culture and have money/education, they are law abiding citizens who don't go around raping and murdering.
Anyone claiming Japan is just like an east Asian version of the US has no idea what that country is like. The degree to which east Asia in general is different from the west is insane. And then you have to factor in that Japan itself is a completely different place from China or Korea, they spent hundreds of years in almost complete isolation RIGHT before the modern era.
People saying jontron won are leftist shills
Destiny was being a blatant piece of shit the whole the time and just saying shitty things
''only white countries are being flooded with non-whites and they are the only people ''not allowed'' to be against this without being called evil by people like me? whats wrong with that? are you a nazi? you want to kill black people huh?''
Destiny is just scum, no one with a brain thought he won this
the mere existence of law abiding/intelligent black people proves we should encourage/help black people to not be retarded savages. Wouldn't you agree?
I suppose this comes down to how egalitarian/optimistic you are.
>you have to understand that these wealthy black people still live in black neighborhoods with shit ghetto black culture.
You sure about that? Getting out of the hood almost always seems to be step number one for black people who aren't poor. What rich neighborhood in what state has ghetto culture?
Jon didn't debate very well, but he won by default as soon as destiny said the words "what's wrong with communism?".
*saying jontron didnt win
wealthy black people still prefer to be around other black people
look it up, wealthy black neighborhoods exist.
>has nothing to do with the emergence of planned parenthood (the concept, not the organization) combined with the lesser value put on women resulting in an extremely tilted male majority who, in large numbers, give up on sexual relationships entirely.
Not to mention the fact that, if a population collapses, it creates societal breakdown, which causes poverty and recession (at best) and poor nations breed like rats, which creates a large workforce, and the population increases.
What liberals dont factor into, is that when a society collapses, and people are struggling to feed themselves, they also tend to breed a lot, good example is post war japan; a massive amount of the population was DEAD thanks to the war, many could not feed their families, not enough people working, etc. The population increased despite such economic conditions.
People say "you need to accept muslims to survive!" no.
If accepting another country's people were the key to surviving, japan would have died many many hundreds of years ago
To be specific, they like to be with a certain kind of other black people, which generally tend to be the other black people in the same income bracket who disdain ghetto culture
They're hated on pretty hard by ghetto black people who don't see them as authentically black and call them Uncle Toms
let them develop their own shit holes. its not like i doubt they can, i know they can. which is so annoying when i see so many in my homeland. its the brain drain. we take them from their country and then they have no reason to fix it and make it inhabitable which keeps matreials there cheep so (((they))) and the chinese can exploit it and keep our lbour cheep so they can exploit us
but you need to remember, alot of them are just stupid niggers who cant create a nation
The paper doesn't have to do with race, but with nature versus nurture, and in many of the twin studies involved they found that intelligence was similar despite the twins having severely different socioeconomic standards of living.
>they don't have shit ghetto black culture there
There's no way this is true just because every culture has an underclass, and I have no doubt that poor Nigerians are just as trashy as American blacks. What you're describing are people who competed within their own subgroup for resources and were able to amass enough to move to another country. So while they have a relatively higher IQ than the commoners of their country, it still might only be 110 or 115, which is only slightly above average in the west.
Then we get into regression to the mean, which is a whole other thing to read up on. I can give you a (sourced) wall of text I have saved for this if you want.
theyre government, capitalist structure etc were heavily influenced during the occupation.
the US even imposed many laws which mimicked america's.
To say that Japan is "just like america" is completely wrong and a misinterpretation of what i was saying.
a lot of values, societal factors, etc were influenced by america during the time period due to the occupation, and japan stuck with those things far longer than america did.
Japan even still has a lot of laws which were implemented during the occupation, and still refuses to change them to this day.
Destiny's fanclub is literally spamming these threads
lets see it, friendo
drop a link to the sauce when youre done
I was mostly saying that in reference to what the guys you were responding to were claiming. They seemed to think that the US occupied Japan and completely revamped it from the top down. What happened is much more close to what you just said. My bad on the miscommunication though.
desu the one I have saved is in a txt file and it's really poorly formatted, and not exactly concise. So I'll just give you a very similar resource:
thealternativehypothesis.org
Oh Look, Boogie has chimed in.
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Holy shit. Boogie is saying things that are going to get him labeled an apologist for shitlordism.
they were colonized+got a shitty dice roll on resources, it's not exactly fair that the rest of the world just says "alright you're on your own pal"
At least not in the supposedly egalitarian world we exist in today. We aren't going around war mongering but we aren't totally isolationist either, some global connection has benefits and more countries to produce more goods/contribute to world economies would be a good thing.
>My bad on the miscommunication though
its cool
>they were colonized
so was china, india and nearly everywhere in the world. i'll admit that china and indian and such had empires before but the only negroids to had any semblance of high civilisation were ones who had regular trade with arabs when they wernt being taken as slaves.
and sub saharan africans never invented the wheel. never had it intill whitey showed up. fuck, there are even stone age tribes alive today and spoiler theyre mostpy black. the colonies were a net positive for africans
>too many spelling errors to fix*
Honestly curious, were you made to read Guns, Germs, and Steel in school?
Jon "Aryan jihadi" Jafari
If America was more like Japan you would be living in a 99.9% ethnically homogenous country, instead your a 60% white Amerifats who's daughter will probably be raped by niggers sometime in the near future.
That's pretty much Destiny for you.
He ignores the point you make and finds something to ramble about where he somewhat has knowledge of to make himself look smart.
Reminder that after NakedApe was on his stream, he was so triggered that he went LOOK I CAN READ MUSIC I HAVE A MUSIC BACKGROUND to his autistic fanboys because he got so asshurt.
He is the legit definition of an absolute retard who talks about some aquired knowledge to make himself look smart.
In his debate with MisterMetokur he constantly had to open up Google because he actually does not know the shit he talks about, he just repeats what he read somewhere online.
fat faggot fence sitting retard who has nothing of substance to contribute
not everyone who is colonized has the resource dice rolls to bounce back
maybe they had some bad weather, some bad eggs, some plain old bad dice rolls that snowballed and let them get fucked over without bouncing back that just continued to snowball throughout history. Once again, the fact that intelligent black people are capable of existing is evidence of the fact that we should encourage and foster this behavior. It isn't as easy as pinning it on "this race can bounce back, this race can't, the race that can't is obviously eternally retarded"
I mean, they WILL be eternally retarded if we keep treating them like eternal retards. I like to imagine the world has gotten a little more egalitarian which means we should help people out who are in shitty situations if we can.
iwhy do people keep talking about this meme book to me? no I havn't read it.
it's a culture problem, not a race problem. The culture problem just happens to afflict a race that was not allowed to vote until 60 years ago.
I'm not dissolving blacks of all blame, but fuck, whites gotta take some of it too. We enslaved them, kept them uneducated, burned down their businesses and sprayed them with fire hoses, then say "look at the dumb niggers who commit the crimes!"
If the "might makes right" mentality were still prevalent and popular today I'd probably say fuck it, they're a drain, kill em all. But I like to think we've come a bit of a way since spraying brown people with fire hoses for wanting to vote to not drink out of the same fountains as dogs.
africa is resource rich, not all of it is desert you fucking retard. the main problem is overpopulation. africans had it far easier than early europeans who had to survive harsh winters and forage and store food longer. the means that caucasiods evolved better delayed gratifacation skills and only the smarter and more hardy one would pass on their genes
historically in africa you dont need to learn to farm because you can easily hunt for your food. this is why their population boomed after colonization and why they have so many problems we see to day
different races evolve in different enviroments so some are better equiped for some things than others
>Austist that prepares feverishly before debates and steers the discourse
>Jon turns up for a chat
He was unprepared. That's it. He was right about literally everything except the stat you brought up.
I don't even believe Jon was aware this was going to be such a huge debate.
>Nervous laughter
Really?
>we're putting it under new management
tell you what, pickaninny. the minute we 14 in europe. i'll grab my semtex and and SAMs to help you on your cursade
We're not loud about this mission, but we're working on it. We're the black people who aren't considered black for reading books. We could give two fucks about what happened a century ago, because we're invested in the future. We're the ones who are going to pen the new chapter, and it's not going to be in America. It can't be. Those of us who are capable of learning have gotten all there is to get out of this continent. We're not just planning on "going back" to Africa, we're putting it under new management. Our native relatives there are too stupid and broke and diseased to do anything on their own. They're just as doomed as the ghetto niggers here. We're claiming that land, and the Chinese there will have to learn to be happy with fucking off.
In a perfect scenario, what I envision would be the most competent and well-off black people establishing and expanding an African enclave that stands as a stark contrast to the muddy shitholes of the continent. It would have to be the perfect storm of a lot of variables, including possible bloodshed, and likely taking more than a century to stabilize, but it's not outside of the realm of possibility.
The issue is that non-retarded black people will need to take advantage of how many ways there are to monetize Internet access outside of the traditional corporate structure. Literally anyone with a computer and the attention span to learn human nature and coding can become rich, but this is inaccessible to normies. 1 in a 1000 people learn how, and these outliers need to be able to find one another and collaborate. This takes ingenuity. Startup capital. Discipline. A diverse variety of skills.
Until this is realized, we may as well not exist, but we're still silently working. Planning. Trading. Traveling. Making deals. Fundraising. Waiting to watch the world burn from a different coast.
Until then, keep your eyes trained on the ones getting shot on TV. They're our smokescreen.
>NakedApe
Just finished watching that one. Was Destiny's defense of his arguments that he was just repeating something that a notable economist said without actually understanding why? Why are all his points based on something he has absolutely no knowledge of? Where does his conviction come from?
Destiny contradicted himself more than once. But Jon didn't notice that. He needs to git gud.
I think he wasn't redpilled from Sup Forums or anything but doing regular research thus not exposed to others arguing
okay so we agree that different environments breed different types of people and people can also learn and adapt. I suppose I was wrong calling it "resources" but evidently Africans weren't challenged by their environment in the right ways.
>people can also learn and adapt
but how well they do depends on many factors, mostly ones to do with genetics such as behavior, agression, time preferance, intellegence and many more
the african american nigger has adapted to white society, otherwise they'de be hunting lions in new york zoos and making jewlery out of human bones
the facts are some race are better than others. not saying white are übermenschen but our society today is disgenic and mass imigration and racial diversity is making it worse. studies done in britain so that the more enriched a community is the less trust they have in said community
and community is what drives civilisation
inform yourself, nigger
Destiny did win, Jontron came off as a stuttering moron and got completely BTFO.
He's a horrible debater. He didn't prepare at all. There were times during that debate where I was fuming because there are literally studies that would've blown Destiny's arguments to shreds, but Jon didn't reference them at all. He's also far too passive, he let Destiny frame things, and got pushed back any time he tried to reframe or use something as a point of reference.
He's just not a good debater, and got wrecked by a shitty SCII player. In a conversation amongst friends, Jontron might've done well. He wasn't aggressive and posed a couple of really good questions for someone with their guard lowered to contemplate. He wasn't in that scenario, though, he was directly engaged with someone who is an ideological enemy with their guard raised.
I wish Jim would go on his stream again and blow him the fuck out. Unlike JonTron, Jim would actually reference things like Pew Hispanic Trust data on primary identification and the Putnam studies.
tl;dr: JonTron's a cool guy, I like him, but he's one of the worst debaters that I've seen. He should've prepared and had data/studies/arguments ready and been willing to pushback against Destiny's intellectually dishonest framing.
>studies done in Britain so that the more enriched a community is the less trust they have in said community
could it be that perhaps fear mongering results in this instead of some inherent tribalism like you think? Do you think that if we simply stopped telling people the races were so different maybe they'd BE less different? I'm not saying lie but say that at some point, everyone has the potential to be as law abiding and socially cohesive as the next person if they want to be?
Are you actually going to pretend that tribalism is being promoted en masse?
Who's this jim?
MisterMetokur/Internet Aristocrat.
This is fucking retarded. You're really reaching, dude. These things exist because of nature, not because they're "promoted by society" (which they are very clearly not -- these ideas are verboten in Western society).
Races are different, and people are tribal. This is because of evolution. You believe in evolution, no?
For data on tribalism and breakdown of social cohesion in diverse neighborhoods, see Putnam's famous study called "Bowling Alone".
Here's a treasure trove of information:
humanbiologicaldiversity.com
Feel free to dig through it or keep your head buried in the sand, you New Atheist faggot.
"I fucking love science!" yeah until it clashes with your worldview
yeah and i wish we all believed milk could be used as hard currency but untill that day my pockets will be full of creamy lactose liquid with no goods and/or services to exchange for
He is a hungarian-iranian nigger,nu-/pol should stop promoting fat subhuman fucks.
>Races are different, and people are tribal. This is because of evolution.
That is zero percent the basis for evolution you witless cunt.
Jesus fucking Christ I swear to god you could not get any stupider if you tried.
>basis =/= because
idiot
I'm black and I'm not a black nationalist advocating for the death of whites. We're all not like that.
>DESTINY
>DUDE JIM CROW HAPPENED LESS THAN 100 years ago
>I DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRESENT, WHITES WILL ALWAYS BE MORE RACIST
I hate this cuck
>we simply stopped telling people the races were so different
That is literally what every single child is brainwashed to believe in schools and media. What good did it do? It's not true. So instead of everyone understanding that the black problem is a racial problem, and developing solutions on that basis that would actually fix the problem, they draw false conclusions. It must be poverty, environment, racism. Fixing poverty, environment, racism will not fix the problem. Not only that, but it creates numerous new problems.
JONTRON CONFIRMED FOR MILK DRINKER:
>I was in Toronto, I drink your bag milk, it's tasty! It's definetly tastier than American milk.
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He's 100% White Aryan boys, genetics confirmed.
His subreddit is chimping out, they don't like his free speech.
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JONTRON IS FINISHED