Democrats and Guns

Fundamentally speaking, why do democrats push for massive gun control?
If they like being the first ones to push for expanding freedoms to fight against right-wing authoritarianism, then why don't they want the same for guns?

Less guns in the hands of civilians = more government control.

dont worry about it goy just think of the po chilluns

Because an armed populace can defy the government (((they))) control. Gun control is a push for more complete control over the general populace veiled under emotional appeals like "muh children!".

>libs push for tighter gun laws
>trump gets elected
>MUH PROTESTS
>NOT MUH PRESIDENTE
>cops get involved
>MUH BRUTALITY
>MUH POLICE STATE
>but they don't want the people to have guns to defend themselves from criminals/a tyrannical government
I do not understand them lads

Democrats believe that guns enable violence, the statistics on gun violence would appear to support this position. Civilized nations don't need every citizen to have a gun for them to function, Dems believe that guns should only be used during war.

Of course, not all not all. There are a lot of Dems who shoot guns and hate the GOP as much as anyone else.

Because nothing they do makes sense.
>Pro-choice
Except for guns, taxes and religious beliefs

One achilles heel that they can never overcome is actually taking the time to learn about guns and gun owners.

All they seem to do is screech loudly on cable news, write dumb laws that are easily bypassed on technicalities, and nothing happens.

I'm someone who thinks all forms of laws should always be evolved over time, and most are except guns really. If the democrats didn't express vast stupidity towards logic and reasoning with guns and gun owners, then they might have a chance to pass some laws.

I'm a Democrat gun owner. I have no problem with guns.
What I do have a problem with is mentally unstable individual having access and thrilled by the thought of violence
Person needs to be a responsible adult. Key words responsible and adults

>What I do have a problem with is mentally unstable individual having access and thrilled by the thought of violence
I've heard this spoken by democrats, and yet they propose broad legislation to ban "big ammo clips" and other silly things with no regard to the sanity of the buyer.

It's like democrats want to take the high road but forget that they are on the low road.

There's gun control in Canada, and it's freedom as fuck up there.

The issue naturally is that you ultimately cannot prevent that.
Buying or making illegal guns isn't hard.

Unless you have some way to determine pre-emptively who is crazy and who is not, you cannot possibly enforce that ban.

>say something bad about muslim or immigration
>get thrown in jail for the rest of his life
yeah... nice "freedom" you got there buddy boy

Gun culture is primarily a domain of white men. That's why they use mass shootings committed by whites to push the agenda, even though it accounts for a statistically insignificant portion of gun crime.

The only place that law matters is Toronto. No one outside this shithole of a city would even care.

Hell, when I go to North Bay, 4 hours north of Toronto, I see buildings tagged with "go home Paki".

If you want to infringe on others rights you don't deserve your own.

Fundamentally, they think poorly of human beings and human nature. They don't trust that most people, when armed, won't harm others.

This. People have a right to be nutters if they wish to be. They also have a right to get shot dead by anyone who is willing to protect their life.

China had one of the most restrictive weapon controls on the planet which gave them a few centuries of reich. This caused them to have the most overwhelmingly pointless bureaucracy of all time and got literally nothing done even when 8 super powers where shitting all over their armies.
I for one don't want to see this happen to Europe or the USA.

Honestly? Its a wedge issue. Why do conservatives give a shit about abortion? Its not like your average GOP voter actually gives a shit about future welfare recipients, data shows that abortion reduces the poor more than any other demographic, and hardcore racists realize that abortion has basically halted population growth in the black community. Still, a relatively small minority gives a massive shit about the sanctity of life and, over time, a lot of GOP voters kinda sorta believe they care about abortion.

Guns are the same. Most folks on the left dislike them because the people they vote for dislike them. Its not a strongly held issue, but it riles up the base like few other things and its easy to make a shitty emotional appeal to sway people who already agree with you on other things and push some number of loyalists to the polls.

The petty crimes committed by an armed populace pale in comparison to the atrocities that can be committed by an authoritarian government.

>Its a wedge issue. Why do conservatives give a shit about abortion?
But you can't equivocate the two because the Founders didn't put abortion in the Constitution.

The democrats want to turn it into a wedge issue by watering down the freedom aspect and create grey areas.

PS I didn't read anything else you typed.

I'm a psychologist and a gun owner. The only reliable way to keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill people is widespread confiscation and a highly restrictive registration and licensing scheme. You could gut HIPPA and get doctors reporting on their patients but all that will mean is that future shooters move to black markets and that other people avoid seeking necessary care. You could require psych testing and I'd make a lot of money but, realistically, we don't have good tests for predicting serious violence in mentally ill individuals without a history of violence. Oswald was a responsible adult, Brevik wouldn't have pinged any measure I'm aware of, Dylan and Klebold shouldn't have been on anyone's radar but their parent's.

The reality is that we live in a world that is unpredictable and full of both bad actors and senseless tragedy. You don't get to be safe here, all you get to do is choose how you sleep at night. I choose the illusion of self sufficiency.

You can't have an armed population for your Jew World Order.

>Fundamentally speaking, why do democrats push for massive gun control?
Democrats are trying to create "happy slaves" and enslave everyone.

You can't do that if people can still defend themselves.

Because they know they're the most likely party to have said guns pointed at them.

Yeah, but the right spent quite a few years not caring much about guns. Hell, they were behind some of our earliest gun control laws.

We can talk about the founders and their intent all night and we'd probably end up agreeing, but the reality on the ground is that restrictive positions on both issues are pushed to satisfy foolish political minorities who, on balance, make this country a worse place. Permissive policies on either issue have virtually zero impact on the lives of people who favor restriction, but rattling those sabres sure does get out the vote.

I live in an area that people from the nearest city would call "rural" but it's not, really. It's in the Northeast. We love guns out here, and we're mostly progressive and liberal. I voted for Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primaries, and he has a reasonable position on guns. I think removing the mental health screening shit that Obama put up is a bit silly considering that Trumpcare will reduce access to mental health treatment.

But to answer OP's question, I don't know, lots of the outspoken liberals are annoying shitbags from New York and LA, which are garbage pile cities.

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>every gun which ever showed up in some '80s action movie is banned by name because they're too scary
>RCMP spends all day trying to make legal guns go full giggle so they can ban them
>5/10 round mag caps
>can't carry

>freedom

TL;DR

You don't have a fucking safe space, and there are bad/dangerous people in the world.

I live about an hour from toronto and its conservative as fuck, no one like trudeau

>right-wing authoritarianism
How do people not get this yet? The left is vastly more authoritarian than the right. Handing power back to people, even people you don't like, is hard to view as authoritarian (unless you are dumb as fuck).

How do you define mentally ill? How do you prevent this method of prohibiting citizen's rights? For example I believe all Democrats are mentally ill, therefore no Democrats would be allowed to have guns including yourself. How does that feel?

Nah, both are fundamentally authoritarian, they just trade off once in awhile on who wants to take control of what or where they want to concentrate power to maintain the appearance of a conflict.

Obama and Bush agreed on far more than they disagreed. They're even more similar when you look at actual, substantive policy decisions.

The want the whites disarmed.
They want the Christians disarmed.

I wonder what they have planned for us?

I don't disagree that there's a re-election motivation out there for a representatives' constituencies.

What I always seem disgusted by is the high-mindedness (elitism) of democrats, and they feign this personal superiority over gun owners. Is it deeply held, or just 'for show' in an appeal to their friends on social media?

Does it matter? At the core most voters are low-information and working primarily on impulse and emotion. Most politicians are liars waiting for their chance to be lobbyists. Even the elitist bullshit on social media (and the right is just as guilty) is mostly just some half bright clicking share because they saw something that confirmed something they already believed because it distracts them for a second or so from the reality that they have a shitty job to service unnecessary debt.

This is an interesting question. I believe that if you're checked into a mental institution, then you're fucked if you want to then buy a Saiga-12.

Unfortunately this means that if somebody is involuntarily placed in a hospital, they will apply glib to the social worker in order to get out of treatment. It creates an incentive for people with mental illness to avoid getting help when there are associated legal penalties.