Do you think there were Irish slaves? every left wing media outlet seem to be disputing this. I've been trying to find some pro info, everything seems buried or not reliable, did find a book on Amazon describing it, written by Anne Gulick, Assistant Professor of English at the University of South Carolina.
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Irish = niggers of the angloshpere. Potatoes BTFO.
Irish were treated worse than slaves in some cases. Work that was deemed too dangerous for farm equipment (slaves) to do would be done by the Irish. Cheap labor that is free if the poor mick died draining a gator infested swamp or what have you. Also, a lot of leftists don't equate indentured servitude as slavery even though it was frequently a frequently abused system.
Id post some interesting sources for you but Im on my phone. Keep digging past shitty nypost articles and you'll find the truth.
>that image
God bless the good anons who create content
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its historical fact, there were in fact Irish slaves. There was so many slaves from Ireland sent to the new world, that they basically ran out of people. The (((business owners)))) in the new world and the (((ship owners))) need a new source for slaves having exhausted Irelands supply.
In steps West Africa, slavery was institutionalized there, also the had the infrastructure to handle a mass amount of human property with a system of capture and selling dating back thousands and thousands of years.
It was tribes capturing and selling other tribes, dont look at it from the future as they were all Africans, the tribes in Africa hate each other and they still do to this day. Some white people coming to buy your rivals and take them half way around the world is good for business if your a king trying to hang on to power in a tumultuous environment which still is West Africa to this day.
The myth of the White man going down and catching slaves is just that myth.
Whites had not developed any immunities to the jungle diseases of west africa, the heat was something they were not used to, and it was just an extremely dangerous place and still is to this day.
they would dock their ships off shore, or dock at a slave island off the coast. Africans would exclusively catch the other africans.
I heard tell Irish slavery was so cheap that they were draining the population of Ireland in a very short time. Especially since they only cost about a weeks worth of wage each or some shit.
Apparently because they were so cheap people often abused and killed them with little hesitation. Pope stood in and said we should use more expensive African slaves instead and so we did. But Irish slaves were still cheap they had to make it law you couldn't cross breed Irish and African because that in itself hurt the already expensive African slave market.
i dont know if the African slaves were in fact more expensive, i know the irish women were sought after. yes they had to infact make it illegal to cross breed the races. google redlegs to see some of the irish slave descendants today
The way this is being overlooked or lessened by calling it 'indentured servitude' is pretty sickening. If any anons have some good sources or other books on this matter I'd be interested to see them, I am pretty certain of the slave trade extending beyond African tribes.
i have a website of a first hand account, i am looking for it now
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Their was Irish slavery, what people dispute that it was identical to the chattel slavery of Africans.
>irish slaves
that's fucking bullshit. slavery was illegal in America under the Brits, and was only legal in the US after a black guy sued to have slaves, and won in court, thus setting a precedent for slavery in this country. Indentured servants, sure, but slavery, no.
Anyone else see that nigger on fox news mention the 50,000 illegal irish in the US... on St.Patricks day?
I wonder if they'll mention the amount of illegal mexicans on cinco de mayo. Probably wont!
Jews & Irish both have denier of their oppression.
HATE & BAIT THREAD. Fishers of semen additions.
>Irish weren't treated as fodder and subhumans by the brits for generations
>its not slavery because we didnt call it slavery
they were called indentured servants by the weathly brits who seized all their land and sold them as cargo, same deal
yeah bud this was before the USA was even the USA. and most of the irish slave cargo made it down to the islands, their ancestors still live there today, redlegs, also Montserrat an island in the Caribbean is the only other country in the world to have St. Paddys day as a holiday due to all irish that were once slaves there
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of course the irsh are seeking power, they want to save the white race
Not really. They were just low paid workers or indentured servants.
To be honest African slaves had a better and easy life in comparison to white European workers. They had their room, board and healthcare provided for from cradle to grave. A worker on the other hand had no such guarantees from an employer.
Also the slaves you have to bear in mind were criminals and POWs, being brought to the new world was a godsend compared to the hell they would face in Africa.
What needs to be challenged is the "pity me" narrative that people have on behalf of slaves.
Also for the laugh...
College professors like racist Richard Jenson try to deny "no Irish need apply" but this sets them straight.
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cant tell if trolling or still drunk from st. paddys day
Drinking on Saint Patrick's day is an Irish-American tradition.
It was illegal to drink or sell alcohol on the 17th of March right up until the early 80s. Practicing Catholics still abstain from drinking.
Not trolling at all. Don't know why you would think I am. Nothing I have said is untrue nor is it particularly alarming.
Yes, I just read a book about it. I think it's called, "The Missing Village". It's about raids on Ireland by Jannisarians and others. In the book a whole Irish town was captured, and some survivors were able to return 20 years later to recount their stories. I've been researching this topic, and was surprised to find how prevalent it was and for how long.
Before the 1938 US Child Labor Laws, a child could be treated like slave in a factory/coal mine/farm supporting it unemployed parents, but Child Labor laws still have exceptions for farm work, so we can't have year round school & children are still technically their parents property & can be sold to a country were slavery is still legal.
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yes there were, there were indentured servants. In australia there were convicts who were basically slaves because they were sentenced to hard labor and imprisonment for petty crimes. "Emancipists" could buy convicts as young as ten and press them into slavery, for either labour or sex. They use to line male convicts up outside the prison wall in sydney in an open air slave market
so no one in Ireland drinks on that night, must be the only night of the year when it isnt a tradition!
listen to your self though, saying that the lives the slaves lived was more comfortable than european workers and mention a cradle to grave social program which 60% of your wages in present day ireland go to but it did not exist anywhere for slaves, ever. I think the only guarantee a slave in the american colonies had was a hot whip across the back, and I am agreeing with your "pity me" narrative. but come on man if slavery was that good then the irish and the other assorted destitute of Europe coming to the USA would have embarked to Charleston SC or Mobile AL and VOLUNTEERED to be slaves.
like I said though the chip on the shoulder of american blacks is a big part of the reason they are universally despised.
Where is the wasp?
The Irish magically became white just in time to blamed for racism.
comrade i do not know of what you speak of cant win for losing!
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This autist couldn't be more wrong.
>my Irish ancestors
>our sides
Aye!
Erin go Bragh
God Bless
i am irish american, still have alot of family over there and have been over quite a few times. my cousins were quite adept at finding any reason to go to the pub "well its the third monday in september, thats a cause for celebration lad, lets go to the pub!"
wait hold on what about the wine at mass?
There was chattel slavery that is well documented. Barbary pirates were the main traffickers, and the slaves served in the Ottoman Empire.
Actually Good Friday before Easter Sunday is also a no alcohol day in Ireland and it is still legally enforced. People do drink of course but they just aren't practicing Catholics or have a different or no religion.
Kind of related to the topic at hand, the only reason Irish people have a stereotype of being messy drunks is because Irish people emigrated to the US to escape poverty in Ireland and end up miserable working low paid jobs, so they turned to drink to make up for their misery.
In reality in Ireland being drunk is a rarity for most people. Even in comparison to our nearest neighbours, the Brits, they drink more than we do. Ironically we drink more tea than they do. The stereotypes are quite the opposite in reality.
You couldn't "volunteer" to be a slave if you were a poor European because your market value was so low as there were so many Europeans looking for work. Africans were also far far better at working long hours in hot agricultural conditions., they had better stamina also. Some slaves were beaten and whipped if they misbehaved. The vast majority were treated like any valuable piece of equipment. It would be counter to your interest as a slave owner to damage your property, output would suffer in the long term.
This is why you had a north/south divide regarding attitudes to slavery in the US. The Yankees didn't have anywhere nearly comparable of an agricultural industry so they weren't dependent on superior black labour. The Southerners on the other hand were almost entirely reliant on that core workforce.
Yankees needed cheap and easily replaceable (due to workplace accidents/deaths) workers for their manufacturing and construction projects. That's where white, poor Europeans come in.
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The way "slavery" for whites worked is best explained with the "Forest People" of Northern England. During the Napoleonic wars Britain was building ships at an astronomical rate and cutting down forests by the acre on a daily basis to keep production up. This displaced thousands of people who made their living and provided for themselves, and even lived in the forest. They had no skills that would present them with employment in the cities so they would often sell themselves into indentured servitude to pay for their way across the Atlantic to the colonies, where they would work for a number of years before getting their "freedom". However when they eventually received their freedom, many of the found the experience so off putting that they would beg to be taken back into servitude, which was then illegal.
Don't know what I have said that is wrong. All of it is true and easily verifiable.
Or are you one of these a la carte Catholics that picks and chooses what rules to follow?
I'm actually not sure about that. I haven't been a Catholic for a long time so I can't remember what mass was like on Saint Patrick's day.
I think you've been talking to the fairies, mate.
Not at all.
Maybe its something you should try though, they might be able to assist you in coming up with a decent counter argument instead of brainlessly shitposting.
source please genuinely curious
the wine at EVERY MASS not just st. paddys day. how are you going to call some one a la carte but you yourself havent been a catholic for a long time, long enough to forget that we do the wine drinking thing.
Source for what in particular?
If you mean faeries, then I'd suggest taking copious amounts of magic mushrooms found in the hills where they supposedly live, and then you might hallucinate them.
Yeah I know that wine is drank at every mass. I never said otherwise.
What I said that might be causing confusion is
>Practicing Catholics still abstain from drinking.
I meant they abstain on Saint Patrick's day and Good Friday. I didn't mean they abstain all year round. I don't remember if wine is drank during mass on those two no alcohol days, its been 15 years since I've been to mass at all.
listen i cant argue with a irish man you people are the most stubborn on the planet, but I can tell you from experience the Irish love to drink, now just like your telling me about yankee agriculture rates in the north, I am going to tell you they drink alot.
Surley they needed someone to make barrels, or shod the horses, butcher the livestock, maintain the property all essential but not so strenuous as only dark skinned people from the equator could do it
It the market value was so low for european laborers I would think a smart business man would take them on as slaves rather than have to go down to the market and PAY for african ones, in addition he wouldnt have to worry about them violently uprising considering the fact they VOLUNTEERED for this work. am I wrong?
i come from a big irish family and ive never hard that, and neither has google aside from one website asking people not to ABUSE alcohol. but please enlighten me
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They rarely offer wine as communion in the US, I doubt it's any different there.
Most parishes distribute communion wafers, almost every church I've been to simply either gives the wine to the servers/ushers or the priest drinks it himself.
I've only been to churches that offered wine on a handful of occasions.
>you people are the most stubborn on the planet
Won't disagree with you there.
> I can tell you from experience the Irish love to drink
Yeah these days its true but in general degeneracy like that has taken hold everywhere, not just Ireland. Its not longer a serious social taboo to be drunk in public.
>Surley they needed someone to make barrels
Yep, a cooper.
>shod the horses
A farrier.
>butcher the livestock
A butcher.
>maintain the property
A carpenter, plumber, grounds keeper.
All of these things are or were skilled trades at the time. The vast majority of the Irish people who emigrated to the US were not skilled in any tangible way. They were literally told to move X from A to B or to pick something out of the ground.
>It the market value was so low for european laborers I would think a smart business man would take them on as slaves
He wouldn't take them on because they were ten a penny and wouldn't require the same level of care a slave would get. Owning a black slave was also a status symbol too that you were wealthy.
>in addition he wouldnt have to worry about them violently uprising considering the fact they VOLUNTEERED for this work
Well that happens anyway. Look up the Dublin lock-out or various other worker uprisings, riots and strikes that occurred in the early 20th century all around the British Isles.
Everyone eventually will revolt once they get used to their conditions. Its in human nature to be greedy, ambitious and desire more.
Are you asking about the alcohol bans on certain days?
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Actually you've reminded me now. I remember that at mass the priest would drink the wine and three selected parishioners would also drink from the chalice.
All we used to get was communion wafer also.
Not surprised that's the typical way it works.
It literally started in the Middle Ages with the Black Death, people were paranoid about drinking from the same chalice.
The Hussites even broke off by being autists about it and said that if you didn't administer both bread and wine, then it wasn't valid.
>Practicing Catholics still abstain from drinking
my comment was in response to this, but good job on coming in and reading the comments to the top of the screen
yes all of those trades men and many more rural europeans coming to the usa had grown up on farms and I am sure had intricate knowledge on their workings, and in your words if the south was an economy built on agriculture then it seems like a natural fit for the diaspora of europe to seamlessly slide into these jobs, which you claim were monopolized by the african because they didnt want whitey to get a taste of the good slave life.
of course slaves were a status symbol, but so were large houses, horses, fields, anything tangible can be status however if your going to find a cheaper source of slaves the business man is going to take those, as for level of care I think you are confusing slaves and workers. listen i am not trying to make a case for reparations but slaves in the new world were treated like shit, which is just like any slave ever, if you do look back at histroy the irish were treated worse than the africans. and it is even historical fact that the killing of an irish slave was legal while the killing of an african slave had a fine assessed to it.
last time i went after communion we were offered the opportunity to drink from the community chalice, i passed
are you the paddy who always posts on Sup Forums? and starting the irish threads?
theres a few of you here, and you guys sure make your voices heard!
Saint Patrick was a slave.
this picture belongs in a museum
>slavery was illegal in America under the Brits, and was only legal in the US after a black guy sued to have slaves, and won in court, thus setting a precedent for slavery in this country.
This, Antonio johnson was the first legal owner of a life-long slave
before that, there were only sentenced criminals, and indentured servants (contract workers)
Canada doesn't look chinese enough. He needs one of those rice farmer hats.
>many more rural europeans coming to the usa had grown up on farms and I am sure had intricate knowledge on their workings
Maybe but not in Ireland which hadn't really progressed from the Feudal serf system. The vast majority of Irish emigrants to the US in the 18th and 19th century came from a "trade" where the land owner gave them a plot of land to build a home on and grow vegetable and raise animals. They then gave the land owner a percentage of their harvest to pay their rent. They had no other skills beyond growing things. Thats why the potato blight caused a famine in Ireland. The poor Irish grew potatoes for themselves to eat and the rest of their produce was taken from them by the landowner. The famine wasn't caused by an actual lack of food being grown, it was just illegal for them to eat it.
>slaves in the new world were treated like shit
By todays standard this is true but back then they didn't have a particularly awful life.
>if you do look back at histroy the irish were treated worse than the africans
No, not just Irish. Poor people, the peasant class were treated badly. There just happened to be more poor Irish people in the US so it seems disproportionate.
Not everything is black and white. Irish people cover a vast swathe of social classes. Its not different from anywhere else. The Duke of Wellington was Irish for godsake.
I never start threads but I am usually up late posting in Irish threads or related ones a couple of nights per week.
There does seem to be a fair few Irish posters. Even EIRE/pol/ seems to have taken off quite well which isn't bad for a country of only just over 4 million people.
lets not forget that racial distinction between slaves was never a thing until modern times, and that was only because there was already an established system in west africa where to get the blackies from.
come on man even by those standards being a slave fucking sucked, yeah life sucked in general
i have to get some sleep and totally unrelated i was in kenya, the rolling hills and amount of green reminded me or ireland, then i saw the blackies selling potatoes by the side of the road. youvegottobekiddingme.jpeg
they love to drink, fucking donkey carts every where, reminds me of the stories and pictures my granny used to tell me about life before the war. also one tribe the kikuyu adds potatoes to everything, and generally is shit at cooking, so they are the literal black irish.
Every historical primary source I could find on the fact suggested that they were paid labourers or peasant soldiers, not slaves.
Miscommunication between secondary and tertiary sources seems to be where the misinterpretation happened
We're either viewed as white by the lefties or not white enough by you fuckers. I just want to fucking have a decent time in some political wing, god damn it.
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fuck off steve irwin
>We buried four workmen
>They dug themselves well
>From four empty coffins, to four early graves
>They’re only paddys, just paddys
>Don’t dig them too deep
>You’ll need all your strength boys
>And they’re replaced easily
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No one in the US wanted Irish servants because they were too violent and insubordinate.
Almost all of the articles keep citing the same damn guy, Liam Hogan. NY Times quotes him directly; mentions a letter "academics" signed, but fails to mention he set up the letter (and it includes people like "Ph. D. candidate" credentials). He has a ton of articles on this.
He seems singularly devoted to this issue.
Didn't Americans work Irishmen to death digging canals for the great lakes?
There definitely were...
The actual number is probably way way lower than the nigger slaves
Okay Alex jones
>denier
What do you mean?. It's common knowledge here pal, we're just realistic about the past, shit happens.
I think you mean because we don't talk about it all the time and try to achieve victim status, irish people weren't targeted for cultural marxism.
How do jews deny they were oppressed?, there's thousands of holocaust museums, books and movies.
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Yup, thank you for typing that up and not just shitposting. Africa has far more of a history of Slavery than the United States. They had far, far more slaves and were much more cruel to them. They also had slavery in many places into the 20th century.
> With the beginning of the Atlantic slave trade, demand for slavery in West Africa increased and a number of states became centered on the slave trade and domestic slavery increased dramatically.[47]
>In Senegambia, between 1300 and 1900, close to one-third of the population was enslaved. In early Islamic states of the western Sudan, including Ghana (750–1076), Mali (1235–1645), Segou (1712–1861), and Songhai (1275–1591), about a third of the population were enslaved. In Sierra Leone in the 19th century about half of the population consisted of enslaved people. In the 19th century at least half the population was enslaved among the Duala of the Cameroon and other peoples of the lower Niger, the Kongo, and the Kasanje kingdom and Chokwe of Angola. Among the Ashanti and Yoruba a third of the population consisted of enslaved people. The population of the Kanem (1600–1800) was about a third-enslaved. It was perhaps 40% in Bornu (1580–1890). Between 1750 and 1900 from one- to two-thirds of the entire population of the Fulani jihad states consisted of enslaved people. The population of the Sokoto caliphate formed by Hausas in the northern Nigeria and Cameroon was half-enslaved in the 19th century.[48]
When British rule was first imposed on the Sokoto Caliphate and the surrounding areas in northern >Nigeria at the turn of the 20th century, approximately 2 million to 2.5 million people there were enslaved.[49] Slavery in northern Nigeria was finally outlawed in 1936.[50]
>you guys sure make your voices heard
Aye boyo, you better believe it.
Here, OP. Check out these books on the subject of Irish slaves:
They were usually indentured servants. A lot were sent to the Caribbean (redlegs) and America's
