The Aeolipile is a steam engine that works like a rocket engine that was invented in the 1st century AD. >We don't know why they made it because the records are limited. >The records are limited because they were kept in the last Library of Alexandria, that was destroyed by Christians because "Muh Pagan Temples are bad, mkayyy" >The Christians fucked the entire planet up by holding back a possible Industrial Revolution in Europe.
Let's imagine : >If the Church didn't consider their word as the "word of god" and considered any other science as Heresy. >If we gave the Greeks a couple more centuries to work on steam engines. >First Steam Engine in 1AD >Industrial Revolution in 3AD?
For any anons interested, the contraption couldn't generate a labor profit at Roman times, coal mining was nowhere as developed
Isaiah Bennett
The very first inventions around the time of the industrial revolution were the same.
You think we just invented trains and factories like that? We had prototypes and small pointless shit first. This is that.
Eli Parker
Also it didn't scale up IIRC. Metallurgy wasn't advanced enough to make a large one. The one they made was a toy.
Also they had large scale slavery back then. Not as much motivation to industrialize.
Mason Brown
The Aelopile wasn't at all analogous to a usable steam engine and couldn't do anywhere near the usable work. Also > Alexandraia Library destroyed because of Christianity False, we don't even know at what exact time it was destroyed, there are 4 different dates, and one involves it being destroyed on Christian decree but that's probably the least likely event which resulted in its destruction, it was much more likely a Roman or Muslim attack which destroyed it. > Muh Dark Ages meme > Muh suppressed science Read more, the Catholic Church did tons of scientific research during the time period, and scientific advancements were still being made during the time. > Industrial Revolution could have happened early Absolutely not, it was much more about large populations allowing large urban centers and universities which could do large amounts of scientific and engineering research, and large urban areas allowing for industrialization. The agricultural advancements weren't even close to allowing anything like that at that particular time.
Christopher Rodriguez
>The Christians fucked the entire planet up by holding back a possible Industrial Revolution in Europe. >Flag checks out How is that cult of reason going?
That is the library I was referring to. It was saccaged and destroyed by Christians.
Also explain to me why science regressed during the dark ages and there is a consensus on this among historians and scholars.
Kevin Watson
Though potentially I'm not even posting here
Matthew Morris
This. Also, there was no need to create production surplus, because the lack of economic theories and large-scale commerce with foreign lands - so, no one would pick a steam machine and think "how can i turn this thing into something profitable?". The European countries were in an intense competition with their neighbors, so they developed industries to improve trade and profits (and to strenghten their militaries) in order to survive and conquer their neighbors.
Ian Foster
Maybe we went through this cycle before and the Christians knew that we did so they tried to hold it back for as long as possible. Holding pack the information age for as long as possible until we need to reset again.
Nathaniel Anderson
Maybe the dark ages actually saved us all because they held back global warming.
Parker Clark
because the dark ages were the result of the Roman empire collapsing, no government, no government contracts for inventors and architects and so on. The Emperor adopted Christianity as a last ditch attempt to unify the people under one banner.
watch this lecture, sound gets better after a few minutes
> Also explain to me why science regressed during the dark ages and there is a consensus on this among historians and scholars. That's some great proof and citations you got there, just look up the amount of science done and inventions created from 500-1400, Gregor Mendel was a monk, Copernicus was a monk, Georges Lemaitre was a monk, I don't think you realize just how much science monasteries generated.
Tyler Jackson
No they weren't. Before steam powered machinery, there were decades of innovation in all process of cloth production, like the spinning jenny.
When the first steam powered machines saw widespread use, they were inserted along a long supply and production chain.
The Industrial Revolution didn't happen because someone finally "discovered" moving things through steam. It happened because of the entire social and economical context at the time, and also prior technological development.
And no, "the Church burned people because they thought le science was witchcraft" wasn't a factor either.
Jordan Adams
The main limiting factor was metallurgy, which continued to advance in the so called "dark ages" which actually saw a tremendously rapid rate of scientific development across europe, as the founding of the first great international university system was established in that time, permitting great minds to study across any nation in europe.
The Roman machines were incredibly fragile, usually made of cheap materials, and had no hope of holding the pressure for performing proper labor intensive work beyond the party attractions they were built to be. It was simply impossible with Roman metal work to make a boiler that would not explode the moment you got it running.
Owen Brown
Let me tell you something. Ancient Greek inventors did not think their inventions would change the world.they did it for the thrill and the lulz and to spite rival inventors
Ayden Jackson
>library of alexandria destoyed by christians holy fuck you know nothing about fucking anything!
Kayden Morris
Compare the amount of knowledge gained in 900 years compared to the knowledge gained between Socrates and Aristotle.
the Dark Ages doesn't mean that NOTHING new was added to the table. nobody is saying that. Much less was discovered and a lot of things had to be rediscovered. A lot of things were also scrapped for no real reason other than "muh religion"
Look at who destroyed the final library of Alexandria. Christians.
Xavier Scott
Oh Sup Forums
Chase Evans
>Compare the amount of knowledge gained in 900 years compared to the knowledge gained between Socrates and Aristotle. Do you have that "amount of knowledge" meaningfully and understandably quantified? How would you even define it, in bytes? How would you determine what was useful and what was not? Besides, the Romans actually generated very little useful science, unlike the Greeks, they were almost purely pragmatists and engineer types, the Romans did very little to advance theoretical or applied sciences, mathematics or non-ethical philosophy, their only major contributions were history, architecture, and relatively simple civil engineering.
Kevin Ramirez
>christians believed that the sun spun around the world ugh so dumb >the greeks who came up with that were geniuses tho go science!
Aaron Lopez
Varg pls go
Austin Howard
You're a bad troll
Zachary Sullivan
Same thing happens now. Slavish devotion to the Schrödinger equation has held back physics for 90 years.
Bentley Price
Take a seat user, let me tell you the whole story...
Cooper Allen
this one is a bad-ass machine.
Nathan Morgan
The library of Alexandria was filled with personal diaries and cookbooks, not the treasure trove of ancient knowledge a lot of people think.
Joshua Gray
>Thinking the Church gave a single fuck about stopping Heron of Alexandria.
He gave us way more than just a steam engine. He basically gifted us pneumatics.
Also you're a fucking moron if you think the Library of Alexandria was a pagan temple.
Benjamin Fisher
The real tragedy is the burning of the Sai Library in ancient Egypt / Kem, thats the place where Platos critias dialogue was originally conceived. All the true ancient knowledge was there.
Brody Russell
Stephensons 'diamond age' is must read
Jace Moore
That's the antikythera machine. Read up on this thing a while back pretty fucking cool.
You're an idiot for thinking it was all one building and was destroyed at the same time and wasn't partially a temple at parts.
Grayson Reed
>all scientific advancement is dependent on Europeans and their descendants >every other culture in the world which was either birthed or entering a golden age parallel to those "dark ages" are completely irrelvepant in the grand scheme of human progression
Liam Adams
Let's start here...
Anthony Gonzalez
stfu pleb
Kevin Allen
>waaah my dad made me go to church instead of playing ps2 every sunday morning: the post
Jayden Johnson
>wahhh wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh i never was raised religious wahhhh wahh Grow up
Carson Wood
"The dark ages" were only in western Europe. The rest of the world was getting along just fine. The eastern roman empire expanded and turned into the Byzantine empire.
Henry Jackson
WE WUZ ENGINEERS N SHIET
John Foster
>african protoKANGdoms
Chase Sanders
OP , other interesting subjects is Father Crispi, who had a collection of ancient art /artifacts , if you are not aware of him , check the link :
Just check the level of craftmanship and the fact the figure was found in South America and depicts a ancient Assyrian deity.
Michael Bailey
>i hail from a "nation" of cucks lmao post disregarded. You're a faggot and your PM is literally a bastard. hahaha! Maybe if you had parents worth anything (and therefore genetics worth anything lel) they would've invested a couple sunday mornings in you. instead I guess your dad was too busy watching cuck porn and your mom was too busy sucking dick. it's ok, you're a leaf, we understand.
Joseph Scott
stop linking jewpedia you absolute clown
show me something from antiquity.
Sebastian Wright
This thread was doing just fine, here's a (You) Mr. /r/atheism.
Wyatt Thompson
Industrial Revolution wouldn't happen in a civilization with slaves. Christianity ended slavery.
Chase Thomas
Greeks were too stupid to recognize it's potential.
They saw it as at most a toy for idiot children.
Typical history of the retarded western society. Eventually people start complaining that ancient Greeks invented a steam engine and blame God for why they didn't utilize it and bring on the industrial revolution a millenia earlier.
Easton Bennett
under-fucking-rated.
Christopher Roberts
You dirty... DOUBLE NIGGER
I actually really like the nametag, my brain had just realized what was about to happen when it happened, so have a (You)
Carter James
The Tayos cave is an absolute wonder, there were artifacts which the usa decomissed and the former astronaut, Neal Armstrong went down there and it is said that what he found was enough to shock him for the rest of his life, he became an hermit after his trip to the Tayos Cave. Facinating stuff .
Oliver James
Someone needs to make this a game
Connor Clark
They saw it as a toy because it barely had the power to move itself it was so inefficient.
Aside from actually creating steam this was not any ancestor to the steam engine. It doesn't even work on the same theories or principles at all.
If you think "HURR DURR STEAM, IPSO FACTO ITS THE SAME" then please go fucking kill yourself, you inbred piece of human waste.
Colton Morris
holy crap
Justin Barnes
>leaf calls other plebs BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA >Mr. /r/atheism. Nigger, this article is written BY AN ATHEIST DEBUNKING OTHER ATHEISTS. Fuck off back to whichever board you came from that doesn't require you be able to fucking read.
Samuel Rodriguez
Not a Christian but you're wrong the library at Alexandria was destroyed by the Muslim caliphate
"if it's in the Koran we already know it burn it if it's not in the Koran it's false and against allah burn it"
Isaiah Foster
>YFW napalm (Greek Fire) was a prank that went too far
Henry Watson
>tfw Greeks were literally to intelligent too become further advanced
Carson Clark
The abrahamic religions are the original Jewish lies
>but the Jews hate Christianity now! Because it's been replaced with updated lies like Marxism and the holocaust
Jason Lee
lol those nozzles are pointed the wrong way, it won't even spin.
Brayden Lopez
>Liberals head explodes
Eli Hughes
The Churches of Christ whom are of the Holy Bible are not the dark age, but the Light. It is written how the world will increase in knowledge, and know ye no that all knowledge was first Gods? And all is still owned by God, yet Satan corrupts?
Grayson Nelson
Another super interesting subject is the ancient sacophagus that even to this day ,we do not know how they were made , the gian found in Iran is one the proofs of ancient civilizations with more technology that we give them credit.
Evan Jackson
Pfffft......
Isaiah Young
Who are these deities ? ,
Caleb Johnson
>dark ages meme >saying aeolipile was lost when it legit wasnt and couldnt function beyond being a toy to arabs andsouthern europeans until the 1600s
Owen Campbell
And the mummy inside there is a giant.
Grayson Lewis
>industrial revolution in 3ad
this is beyond stupd OP
Leo Scott
Basically this
desu I stopped reading when it mentioned atheism, don't even bother reading through atheist arguments anymore but I just read it.
It's by definition a steam engine you fucking mongoloid. That's not even the point of this post to begin with.
Jacob Ramirez
Link to video? Looks cool.
Cooper Bennett
Also, this deity is very important , i have seen images of it also in the Tayos Cave artifacts, also it was mentioned in a 1900s expedition to the great canyon in the USA, where 3 adventurers found an egyptian-like deity in a cave.
Isaiah Brown
Read the image. It's written by an atheist, but in defense of Christianity. It BTFO's common misconceptions spouted by Atheists+ as established fact.
It's a worthwhile read, if not just to entertain the thought.
Thomas Stewart
>Library of Alexandria, that was destroyed by Christians So a secret sect of Christians destroyed it in 642 under the orders of Caliph Omar? Sounds rather heretical to me.
James Moore
Muslim's burned the library of Alexandria you fucking moron
Evan Jenkins
And how exactly would they have gone about an industrial revolution without even Newton's laws, basic chemistry, or electricity?
Christianity couldn't suppress shit in 1AD, don't blame us for your faggot fucking invention not having any applications because your civilization is built right across the lake from NigsRUs and there wasn't any reason not to have slaves
Aaron Cox
hey u win some u lose some comon give them a break
Colton Kelly
It was seen as a toy not as a labor saving technology because they didn't care about labor saving technology because they had slavery. So it was slavery not christianity that held back the Industrial Revolution.
Joshua Davis
>sciencefags hate christians for stopping science >sciencefags allege global warming is a thing >which if the case means they brought it on with their advances leading to things like industrialization >sciencefags generally think religon (especially christian religon) is the worst thing to happen to the world >when christianity's suppression it may have stalled climate change
I feel so intelligent right now my brain hurts.
Hudson Rivera
Yeah I read it, didn't expect it from an atheist of all people. Good read.
Thanks dude
Grayson Ortiz
Bump
Andrew Rodriguez
lol'd @ 12000 years. Do you have a link to the original?
Evan Ortiz
Never mind it's fake as fuck
Blake Scott
Dark ages were brought upon us by the fall of Roman empire, a rotten shell collapsed by strong, illiterate hords from Gual and other future Europeans. Christianity eventually converted the hords to civilization, with some hickups admittedly. If nothing else Christianity is an idea, and ideal, a call to be better not just for yourself, but for all and for all eternity. Reminder to all Muslims that many of you were once Christians before being forced to Islam on threat of death. Come home.
Jason Kelly
Here is a very complete article about the expedition to the Tayos Cave, if anyone is interested, its in english :
>The Serapeum in Alexandria was destroyed by a Christian mob or Roman soldiers in 391 (although the date is debated).[6] Several conflicting accounts for the context of the destruction of the Serapeum exist Read your sources before you post them
Aiden Nelson
Maybe this one is not a fake? This one was in carnival tour accross the usa when it "vanished". Look at the size of the mummy, the object behind it , is a train wagon, to put it in perspective.
There are a lot of these mummies around the world.
Owen Gray
Truely a dark time
Ryder Morris
>The Serapeum in Alexandria was destroyed by a Christian mob or Roman soldiers in 391 (although the date is debated).[6] Several conflicting accounts for the context of the destruction of the Serapeum exist Or Romans, no one knows lol
Elijah Thomas
There is about a thousand years in between Ancient Greece and the European Dark Ages.
Tyler Rodriguez
Dude if you think this is impressive you need to reevaluate shit.
Like its pretty fucking easy to look at steam and go "Steam rises upward" and then try to get something to rotate around its upward motion
Josiah Walker
>MUH EVIL CHURCH DARK AGES There are still fedoras dumb enough to buy into this shit in the year 2017. Wow.
Jason Murphy
That doesn't explain how one of the two cradles of the industrial revolution literally had the biggest slave economy operating simultaneously to its industrialization, and only ended it because the slave-reliant oligarchs didn't want to pay the exorbitant duties that bankers were forcing on them for international trade.
Nor does it explain how the history of industrial expansion in the 20th century is at least 50% governments enacting mass-enslavement of their population to achieve the labor force necessary for compulsory economic expansion.
