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>Talking about Irish slavery is an alt-right myth because they were actually indentured servants (synonymous with slave)
Author's twitter: @liamstack (for anyone who thinks he needs a grammar lesson)
regressives are quick to debunk victimhood if it's not one of their own victims.
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It's to be expected from the anti-white left.
agreed, but this is a level of blatant reality-denial we don't see often.
>>against their will
>>not slaves
Really spins up my dynamo.
By this logic, there are no slaves in the Gulf states either.
the left has gone full orwell
>servants aren't slaves
i guess black people werent slaves then
What about the Romans and Greeks who owned slaves? The vast majority of whom were white/Latin? What about Epictetus, the stoic philosopher who was born a slave, who said some men were only fit to be slaves, and that many a slave he knew, once freed, longed to go back to it, and found their new freedom a form of slavery worse than actual slavery?
These are facts that cannot be ignored and need to be answered. Every race has been a slave at some point in history. Slavery is merely a state of mind
What about the Barbary slave trade?
Funny enough I have heard people try to argue that only Europeans implemented 'chattel' slavery so it's automatically far worse than any other kind of slavery.
yeah but it's alt-right racism to acknowledge other slavery besides black slavery
yeah the article makes that distinction as well... i didn't bother looking it up because in my mind slavery is slavery. It doesn't seem much different than debating the nuances of different types of pedophile
It has also been suggested that indentured servants were worked far harder than slaves, considering plantation owners didn't have any concern for retaining the 'value' of their servants.
Holy shit, fuck these people. White people need to stop giving a fuck about what anyone else has to say about how we live our lives and operate OUR country. I don't give a fuck what some shitskin has to say about it, and I'm sick and fucking tired of looking around and seeing white people bowing and scraping to appease every third world piece of shit while our country falls apart.
Dear White People: Stop giving a fuck what people think of us, and start sticking together for a change. We are dying out, and it doesn't need to be this way.
the guy who wrote this article is white. Ignoring a problem won't make it go away.
It wouldn't surprise me, there's also the sense of entitlement i.e. the word "indentured" the servant OWES the plantation master their labor, they aren't just property.
Yeah, there was no obligation to get indentured servants healthy. Slaves were going to be your's for life, and they weren't cheap, you needed to keep some kind of care of them. Indentured servants were better to just work to death because you might as well get the most out of them while they're under your service.
you just want to call them slaves to assuage your white guilt but the fact is thay they were treated differently and with the basic dignity afforded to them by their masters as they did still see them as humans rather than property. this was not the case with black slaves who were dehumanized at every turn. they are not really comparable situations
>i guess black people werent slaves then
HORY SHIT!
Charles Darwin wrote origin of species to promote Irish genocide and slavery
>when your inevitable freedom is what signs your death warrant
See
but it's well established the Irish 'indentured servants' were also treated horribly, if not worse...
Oh but they were 'legally human' so that makes it better.
Guys, don't be biased idiots. Just because the people writing this article believe in muh white privelege doesn't mean they are wrong about everything. If you actually go and read the article,
literally the sentence after what is shown in the picture it explains what the distinction is.
>"Their servitude was based on a contract that limited their service to a finite period of time."
That's it. That is the legal difference between slaves and indentured servants.
>b-but the dictionary says-
It doesn't matter what the dictionary says because this is a LEGAL definition, not one of common parlance.
And yes, I know this didn't always make things better for the Irish indentured servants, and that the owners would often try to work them to death so they wouldn't have to free them, etc. But the basic point the article is making that there is a difference between indentured servitude and chattel slavery is correct.
absolutely incorrect. indentured servants were under a legal contract and therefore if they were treated too harshly their masters might face legal troubles. at no point were they considered property
Quit reading the jew york times.
It's kosher garbage.
It's like the legal difference between slavery and the spanish encomienda, the difference it's that they didn't wanted to call it slavery and it was paid by the empire.
Recommended reading on this subject: 'The Redneck Manifesto' by Jim Goad
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>implying semantics invalidates the realities of how Irish people were treated
>t. ladyboy
And the first slave in the Colonies was an indentured servant whose black master decided was his property. That was determined in a court of law and blacks managed to ruin everything for themselves from then on our.
I never implied anything of the sort. In fact I went out of my way to explicitly agree that in some ways they were treated worse than black slaves.
All I'm saying is OP's argument that "indentured servant is synonymous with slave" is pretty fucking retarded, and you all are swallowing it like it's your boyfriend's semen or something.
Just a moment, lad...
*checks potato crop*
Ye's telling me...
*gets blackout drunk*
Ye's truly meaning ta say...
*starts a fistfight*
Swear on yer mudder...
*writes classic literature*
Dat we was fooking slaves an shite?
It's not a fucking myth. My mother's side is pure Irish. Going up the family tree, I can find that the two brothers and woman who immigrated to Ireland were all slaves.
One brother got dragged into a barn and fucking beaten to death, never seen from again. Found that from My great great great grandpappy's diary. They had to run several miles bare foot into the next city over to start over in some semblance of safety.
You do realize there were laws about how you treated your slaves as well, right?
More english were indentured servants than any other group in the colonies under british rule other nationalities also outnumbered the irish. The first 100 indentured servants to america were 100 english children. The word kidnapping comes from english children being kidnapped and put into indentured servitude. It was a common practice throughout much of europe.
It was not slavery and even if it was why are you irish north americans not sharing oppression sympathy with your fellow slaves? Seems a bit seflish why focus on the minority of indentured servants?
There must be an agenda to this. I know you north americans want to get rid of your white guilt by framing the british for some kind of global irish slave trade while inspiring communist IRA revolution in the british isles but i'm afraid you'll just have to keep taking those beatings off jerome because no matter how much you or your black population distort history it's not true and actual historians will laugh at you.
Not him, but the issue here is why slavery is especially bad. Is it because you are treated particularly poorly? If so, then the same applies to what is often termed "modern-day slavery" like the kefala system in the Gulf states as well as to your own acknowledgement of the maltreatment of Irish indentured laborers. The formal distinction of "it's for a limited term" is irrelevant if your focus is on the suffering, particularly when masters could, and in some places still can today, easily subvert or ignore the law to turn it into a de facto life term.
Or is slavery particularly bad because you are the property of another human being? If so, then yes, chattel slavery of blacks is terrible, but so are the various other forms of slavery prior to that in the West, and other forms that persisted well into the 20th Century in Africa and the Middle East.
Except that the duration of service was frequently extended to be indefinite, for both whites and blacks.
"Indentured servitude" was just the euphemism of the times, the same way murdering unborn children is called being "pro-choice" today.
Jews brought the slaves to the Americas. Now, they've gotten mega-wealthy off the back of the poor black man and now it's time for them to pay reparashuns. It's the right thing to do and the right time to do it.
>Who Brought the Slaves to America
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>Dr. Tony Martin & David Irving - The Jewish Role In The African Slave Trade
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>Jewish leaders demand Farrakhan denounce "Secret Relationship" book
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>Malcolm X on Jews
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>Who Brought the Slaves to America? - Walter White
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>The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews Volume One
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>The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews Volume Two
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>don't see often
>happens literally every day
kys, sage
>it was a transitory state
well no fucking shit, slavery could also be transitory depending on the conditions
You want some real salt generation?
There was no chattel slavery in north america until a former indentured servant, a black Angolan named Anthony Johnson, sued for the right to keep his African slaves indefinitely.
He won.
Animals are considered property but you face punishment if you harm them.
I bet there was laws in the same way for the Negroes.
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Holy Shit we can do this with any race now?
Synonyms don't always have the exact same meaning. Sometimes, the meanings are close, but not exactly the same.
As an example: Thesaurus.com also lists "hot" as a synonym for "boiling". However, just because something is hot doesn't mean it is boiling.
Watching americans invent versions of history that aren't credibly documented and didn't happen is pretty fun. Black americans are superior to white americans though because they add spaceships to their bullshit.
There is a reason your limited knowledge of history is taught to you by your paranoid schizophrenic parents and not in a classroom by the way.
As if being an 'indentured servant' made it any better for the person
(Although there were Blacks that lived quite well under slavery)
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Thanks for the pill.
what do u expect?
There is a genetic defect among cucked whites. They even exist on Sup Forums, look at this fucktard.
Look at this white idiot. How willingly he is to disregard white suffering by a bullshit semantic definition, despite the fact that indentured servants and fedualism was just as bad as slavery.
>literally just talking about how poorly the Irish were treated in America and in the United Kingdom with my mom today because grandfather's heritage was Irish
>come to Sup Forums only to see this
I'm really getting fucking sick of the left doing this sort of thing. They want to beat their drums about the "poor, oppressed colored people," then fine, but at least fucking acknowledge that groups of white people have suffered at the hands of other groups of white people, as well.
Even when they weren't indentured servants in America, the Irish were treated like scum of the earth by Anglo-Americans. KKK hated Irish Catholics as much as blacks. I bet the fucking guy who shot Kennedy was a Hibernophobe.
>this white idiot
What makes you think I'm white?
>disregard white suffering
When did I disregarded it? I explicitly acknowledged it.
Everyone wants to be a victim these days
Give credit to the majority of indentured servants that were english if it was so bad. Not that it will matter as we don't have a chip on our shoulders or a victim complex like the irish north americans. Would be nice to get an apology from the americans for their part in the english slave trade though.
Who /no Irish ancestry/ here?
Feels good to be a Real American. :)
Fuck Italian are smart
its like they never heard of press gangs that would kidnap people and force them into servitude in brutal dangerous conditions.
yet they love to bring up how the Irish were treated when illegal immigration is opposed, inferring the only reason to be against it is because of racism
>English settle the East Coast
>lots of indentured English that were probably poor as shit or criminals
>English the majority
Wow, holy shit, I wonder what the correlation is? While we're at it, I wonder why most early colonists in English-ruled Australia were English convicts?
Fucking traitor- not using adblock on nytimes.
Rot in hell. Oh wait, you already are
My understanding is the only difference was that indentured servitude lasted a set period, while slavery was for life. There was no other tangible difference.
OK, here's the rundown:
>no whites were ever slaves
>whites don't know what it's like to be poor
>no goys died in the holocaust
>the holodomor is an antisemitic canard
>whites genocided the indians
>whites genocided the blacks
>whites genocided the jews
>whites are never the victim
>whites are always the oppressor
all blacks brought over were merely indentured too until generational slavery became legal
that was only legal for a short while, like 100 years, no biggie
Female Irish slaves were often forced to "marry" and breed with black slaves due to the shortage of African women and the fact Irish slaves were far cheaper.
>all blacks brought over
388,000 African slaves were brought into the U.S. and now after 200+ years of brutal oppression there are only 47,000,000 blacks left in America. This systematic genocide of the black man has got to stop.
>DEY KILLIN' US N THA STREETS!
>reading the NYT
no. I already know what they're going to say.
You americans are beyond help to even make that up.
gb2 Ireland, paddy
Indentured servant is just a different type of slave. The point of the article is not to get the facts straight, but to discredit the idea that white people are ever slaves.
Yep
They're writing off that Europeans couldn't possibly have experienced the same thing as their beloved Negroes. Which is BS.
Irish were considered humans though. Black slaves weren't.
That doesn't matter
People treat animals as well as humans
I bet they weren't treated any worst than a horse, which would have been treated well by most people. It's only the small percentage of psychopaths and sadists that get off on harming living beings.
They need everyone with white skin to feel very guilty and sorry for it so they willingly accept non-white immigration. Everyone needs to feel "white privilege" so the Irish treated badly truth they try to discount.