Ok guys, this is a solid point against religion

Ok guys, this is a solid point against religion.
Why aren't we taxing the church?
any given religion you practice should pay taxes.

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The porn industry is about $97 billion in value.

The issue is that the church still does a modern version of the Tithe, because it continues to brainwash its followers.

And it brings money to budgets of countries where it is legal.

>One church looks like this so they are all bad :^)

it's not the church's or pastor's fault for being smart enough to take advantage of idiots. Hell, that's pretty much what a government and taxation are anyway.

I FUCKING HATE Joel Osteen, that God damned money grubbing Jew dragging my religion through the dirt to line his fucking dirty KIKE POCKETS with the money of gullible Southerners!

Hello, Sarah Silverman. I didn't know you were vacationing in Mexico.

In America, Taxation necessitates Representation in Congress.

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if you think churches have money you've got another thing coming. Most churches are dirt poor. Only a handful make any real money. Furthermore its against the US constitution to tax churches or pastors.

No it's not it's time to drive the merchants out of the temple.

>Protestant football stadium
>Church

Some pastors enjoy being cult leaders, this is all.

for BRs out there.

Eduardo Bolsonaro plans on doing just that.

check his website and active PLs

It's so weird seeing Christians attending these big ass 'churches' giving money to the pastors like can't you all see how your religion has been hijacked by greedy monster taken advantage of naive believers like you. Come to Europe and see what real Christianity is

Only tax Protestants.

>American Christianity
Having soulless capitalism infuse every aspect of your culture is sure producing great results.
>Muh Freedom

He has those psychopath eyes

I thought you guys were catholic

State Religion you little shite.

Not taxing churches was a part of the effort to seperate church and state. When money starts coming from the churches to the government it becomes influence. Though, in today's society, there aren't really any reasons not to tax churches, but it's a holdover from a bygone era that most people don't care about enough to change

This tbqh. Part of the reason I dislike this country is how it commercializes literally everything, including religion.

The average chruch doesn't look like that. Taxing churches would severely handicap the ability of hundreds if not thousands of churches to go about doing their work whether it be charity or community service.

>Ok guys, this is a solid point against religion.
Not really. It's both a strawman and fallacious reasoning. As a sidenote, I love how fedora's whine about keeping the church out of the state, but can't keep the state out of the church.

It's a solid point against (((Protestantism)))

>taxing more
>good thing
choose one

>taxing the church
>taxing money that comes from donations optional taxes

le mexican intellectual

just return to your vodoo junglenigger sacrifice religion

>when you're so scared of dying you pay some clown to talk to Jesus for you

Why do the pastors profit?

Nowadays it's kinda split 60/40 on Catholic and Evangelic.

Eduardo himself is catholic, but sympathizes with the taxation of religious/cultural enterprises.

Hell, even Marco Feliciano, a "TV-breed pastor" made Federal Deputy argues these corps. should pay taxes.

Maybe 1 years after the election (so 2019) we will see this go through.

>pastor earns loads money from book deals and builds a big house
>church should be taxed

Does not logically follow.

you can change the constitution, it's been done before

they don't in european catholicism

dunno how it is like in america, but here pastors often live in houses owned by the church, not them, sometimes they are fairly nice houses but not always

i feel like you've seen it

i couldn't tell for sure though
april 18

>leaf doesnt know how hard the process of amending the constitution is.
Your leaf opinion is irrelevant in our affairs.

I agree that they shouldn't, but it's hypocritical to only look at churches when the same applies to pretty much every non-profit organization.

unicefusa.org/about/faq/ceo-salary-email
Even when trying to refute the "your CEO gets paid too much" argument, Unicef still has to admit that the CEO gets 40k per month in salaries. 40k a month, for running a non-profit organization. Some people don't even make that in a year.

yes, and they pay taxes. What's your point.

no, i do know, and even if i didn't, the fact of the matter doesn't change

>Why aren't we taxing the church?
Want to go to the German system where thecstate collects taxes from the public and pays the Church?

>sympathizes with the taxation of religious/cultural enterprises
This would literally make Brazil a Catholic theocratic state
That being said you should go for it

Yeah great idea! How about we tax charity organizations too!

>we'll start to tax religion
>that'll make the religion stronger

Sorry mate but you lost me there.
Elaborate please?

While I would like to tax churches you have to keep in mind that the vast majority of them are not like this. iIf you tax the giant churches you also have to tax the tiny little church in the middle of nowhere that is dirt poor.

Although ANY religion that tries to influence legislation and politics (looking at your mormons) should get fucking taxed. You can either be tax exempt and mind your own fucking business or pay taxes and have a say in politics, not both.

If you tax somebody (Or something) they're entitled to Democratic representation.

Yeah lets do it. We can repeal the 2nd amendment and fix the churches

>Its against the constitutions to tax churches
>government threatening to pull tax exempt status from churches who do not marry gays
Something is wrong here

Any organization that is taxed must also have representation in the government. Taxing churches means that they can use their money and power to influence American politics, something they currently cannot legally do.

Separation of church and state. They don't get taxed and they aren't allowed to actively tell people how to vote.
I think removing the separation would backfire massively. Churches could rile up their base while maintaining a persecution narrative, which would ultimately favour the right.
Which would be good for us obviously.

well they already focken are anyway

we have a goddamn evangelic bench of deps on the Chamber of Deputies (our version of the House)

7 sabbatinated fuckers hogging the machine for profit

> solid point against Protestantism

There you go famalam

Secularism is akin to self castration of a people.

Your plan to economically enslave a institution who have greater numbers and will fearlessly oppose you, with full conviction in your wickedness?

no its time to look into how that pastor is making all that money

The reason churches aren't taxed is because they are bound by law to be non-profits and don't actually produce a good or service.

If I recall correctly, the pastor who lives in that house made fuckloads of money from selling a book, something totally unrelated to a church.

>"If X has to pay than X has a say."

Taxing churches or any other religious organization would mean giving them a say in the government process and eliminate the barrier between church and state.

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>some

most people don't make that.

>real Christianity
>state cucks the church so hard that they're forced to perform gay wedding ceremonies

A Church is more than an ordinate building, user

So people that don't pay taxes shouldn't get to vote? Fine by me. But that's not how it works right now.

And don't /thread yourself you nigger.

>Why aren't we taxing the church?
Non profit, not all churches are embezzling funds like those megachurches so it'll be pointless. Also it'll kill the ability to fund themselves through donation only and be seen as an attack on Christianity because I don't see a proposal on taxing mosques or temples.

pastors selling "mantles of cure", "oil of miracles" and other shit for the equivalent of 300 bucks, advertising this and a lot of other shit on live TV programs.

>don't actually produce a good or service.

i'd say yea
yea they do

I don't know how the Brazillian government, but unless these people are active church officials, their churches have virtual representation at best. What you'd get if you taxed churches would be presidents of the country who are also active bishops, and things like that. Religion and the state would become closer, not further apart.

Lets start with the synagogues

How about just telling them "you're gonna pay up and have no representation, tough shit"?

No taxation without representation. Also
>cherrypicking

does this mean we are going to tax black lives matter?

In the Jeffersonian view of a republic, yes.

>large audience
>small individual donations
>lots of money adds up

The real swindlers are small ball preachers who pull $50k plus maintenance costs out of small congregation

So a proper solution for the problem OP posted would be to educate people?

So they won't fall for stupid crap?

yea the preists can vote.
Buisneses get taxed and they don't get a seat in the senate

Who said they are bad? They should just all pay tax sens we have to many fake churches the are just exploiting a loop hole.

>taxation without representation

There was some historical event that erupted because of that.

Can't really recall it. It was major at the time.

Hmmmm

>what is tax brackets

Because then the government could do the same to anybody else?

>come see real christianity
>son gets diddled and sold to the clintons

Ruh roh

funny they leave out synagogues, mosques and (((non-government organizations))), only "churches"

this is what infuriates me about people with this position.

they want to tax churches and small community groups like this that are supposed to supply basic welfare to the community through food kitchens, homeless shelters, donations etc. It functions self-sufficiently through local donations and the money is focused well because the locals know how to use it best.

Then assholes want to tax churches, making it so they cant provide these services, just so the federal government can have the money to supply welfare programs to the nation. And that money gets completely fucking wasted on gimme dats that get abused because the federal gov doesnt know how to use that money as well as small communities.

When you consider the amount of people that go to mega churches that is not really a inefficient use of money

That is like 1% of all pastors, I am pretty sure products sold by churches are taxed. My mom's church runs a Christian library and a Mexican restaurant and those businesses are both taxed.

Probably. I'd say it's more of a problem with evangelicals in general, since they don't feel the need to have an actual organization behind them before they preach and monetize everything.

Are you really this fucking dumb? We literally have pastors serving in the senate like huckabee, and you say they have no say in the government?

i dont know of any mega mosques or mega synagogues do you

tfw my synagogue doesn't even have a building and this "church" has its own stadium

Why should only mega churches pay taxes?

we fought a whole war over that shit

>my synagogue

>mexican intellectual

Your government already has sham churches like the mormons affecting politics.

Representation without taxation is better?

How about we just eliminate the income tax altogether?

true, see the post below this, I live in an area with a very low Jewish population, I've never even seen a stand-alone synagogue building

Taxation is theft, and if you allow taxation of religion, that opens the door to the government discriminating against religions by bleeding some dry.

That's also a good idea.

Remove the income tax, increase the sales tax.

>like the mormons affecting politics.
Why shouldn't they be allowed to?

The solution is not to tax churches.

The solution is to tax preachers for donations they don't put into their churches or daily necessities.

there's a small Jewish population where I live, but it's the Midwest, there's barely any of us

That image is so ridiculously misleading.
The overwhelming majority of churches are nothing like Joel Osteen's fucking heresy bowl.
Also, this.

Where were you when you realized that you could make a fortune off of this instead of sitting at home shitposting on a computer.

He obviously wasn't an active minister when he was in the government. Someone in government being sympathetic towards an organization isn't the same as the organization being literally represented. Trump for example is likely sympathetic to his company, but he can't take a paycheck from them while he's President.

They just use church coffers and their personal piggy bank then.

>suspicious
>don't tell me... as usual

>oh...
>no...
>it's ok
>it's 2
>2
>2
>posts by this ID

at least it's not 1