What was all the argument about? Simply about timing?
I even heard the whole fuss the English are making is about 2-6 months timing. They are all fine that the Scots can have an indy ref, but they do not want it to be held in November 2018 but in March 2019.
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Isn't Scotland a moneypit for England anyway?
The oil's the issue
Nicola Sturgeon looks like a fake person.
Also Scotland would run itself into the fucking ground without England to prop it up, and England would probably convince the Shetland Islands to remain in the union, keeping the Oil under UK control. I don't know why the Scots continue to kid themselves over independence
Isn't it always
She definitely looks like a Pence.
But she seems to be traitor to the British Crown.
Elizabeth should have her killt
What if all the Celtic countries left the UK and joined with Ireland to make their own?
>lose the first Scottish referendum
>lose the Brexit vote
>want another referendum, just like the EU would do and has done
Can't say that I'm surprised that she would hand over Scotland to Brussels. She already acts like one of them anyway.
>Vote to stay with the Brits because of the EU
>Brits leave the EU
I would leave too.
>Isn't Scotland a moneypit for England anyway?
If Scotland is independent, it would survive. The whole "England is subsidizing Scotland" is a meme, as an independent country has different sources of income. Also, there is a big question if Scotland should take on any of the UK's debt. After the breakup of the Soviet Union, the smaller states took 0 of the Soviet debt.
What do you have against referendums?
In my view, the people should be asked all important questions every fucking year. Politicians are elitists who do not do the right thing, so the people have to tell them what they really want, Switzerland style.
It's not a certainty, it has regularly been lower in polls. Sturgeon doesn't have a mandate for it, she was elected to hold one in 2015 and lost it.
Scotland originally unified with England because England offered to take Scotland's debt after it failed at colonialism. If Scotland were to become independent, it would HAVE to take on a portion of the UK's debt.
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I think it is a certainty. Scotland has elections at some point and Sturgeon just announced an indy ref, so if she does not hold it, she is going to be fucked in the next Scottish elections.
>If Scotland were to become independent, it would HAVE to take on a portion of the UK's debt.
How about Scotland does it like most marriages work in case of divorces. The female gets alimony and takes on obligations she has actually incurred.
Most of the UK's debt is due to military spending and London bank bailouts. So Scotland may take 2-3% of the debt, but that is it.
>What do you have against referendums?
What I am against is the anti-democratic European Union who see one result, reject it, and ask the population to vote again until they receive the result they want.
>In my view, the people should be asked all important questions every fucking year.
What a waste of time.
>Politicians are elitists who do not do the right thing
So stop electing them? Oh wait, you're German and about to elect someone even worse than Merkel.
Balkanization is not the answer
>What I am against is the anti-democratic European Union who see one result, reject it, and ask the population to vote again until they receive the result they want.
Never happened. The EU has no power to hold referendums or re-running them. ALL referendums in EU member states are held by the state governments.
>What a waste of time.
Taking 5 min to actually do something truly important aka VOTING, is a waste of time? Well, then just get rid of your fucking democracy already, Burger.
>Oh wait, you're German and about to elect someone even worse than Merkel.
If we had a question whether we want more or less refugees, we would have FUCKING PROTECT THE BORDERS.
That's an opinion piece.
But you know exactly why it needs to happen post-BREXIT, Abdul from Germany.
because then you simply keep doing the referendum you want yearly until you get the outcome desired.
After that point you do no more yearly referendums to reverse the changes.
She could spin it that the English blocked it to get a bigger mandate next time. It seems like nothing more than a power grab to me.
I'm surprised the Scots put up with her - they spend more in taxes per capita than the uk and all their public services are much worse.
There are many such examples of the EU pushing these re-runs of votes on the member states. Just because the (((Politicians))) in these countries call it, not the EU commission, doesn't mean they were not behind it. Funny how it's always re-run in the EU's favor.
>Taking 5 min to actually do something truly important aka VOTING, is a waste of time?
Yes, if you're talking about doing it every fucking year on the same issue.
>Well, then just get rid of your fucking democracy already, Burger.
The USA isn't a democracy.
>If we had a question whether we want more or less refugees
Is that right?
>The poll found only 28 percent of Germans blame Merkel's refugee policy for the attacks.
Maybe you would vote to close your own borders... but then you have no choice because you're in the EU and if only one of the nations gives these Koraniamls passports, they're free to live in your country forever.
>I'm surprised the Scots put up with her
The Scots are thinking about their crippling heroin addictions too much to care.
>She could spin it that the English blocked it to get a bigger mandate next time. It seems like nothing more than a power grab to me.
I doubt May wants to have the press of being the PM who blocked the Scottish indy ref. It would be a huge political disaster. Which is why ALL Tories already said Scots have a right to hold an indy ref, but they just said they do not like the timing.
It really is all about timing. The Tories want the indy ref campaign only starting once the deal with the EU on Brexit is on paper and ready to be signed.
Russia wants Scotland to split from the UK very badly. Expect a huge viral Russian psyops campaign in the coming years and Trump will be at least lukewarm if not supportive about the idea.
Scotland independence will benefit from oil prices rising, and Putin will actually get very rich off oil prices rising too. Trump may try and bully the South China Sea oil routes to force oil prices to rise for Putin.
>religion is the opiate of the people
They're giving it away free in some hospitals now
Referendums are destructive, just look at the last two. Stirgeon wanting another just shows how little she gives a fuck about Scotland.
>I doubt May wants to have the press of being the PM who blocked the Scottish indy ref.
What press? England, Wales and Norn Iron would give her a thumbs up for it.
If they're sensible they'll wait until the next election before giving the scots anything.
>Yes, if you're talking about doing it every fucking year on the same issue.
I did not say it would be the same fucking issue, I said people should vote on important issues every year, Switzerland style. In Switzerland you can start a campaign to get signatures to get an issue on the ballot. And then the people vote. This is a PERFECT fucking system and has kept Switzerland strong and rich for a long time.
>>If we had a question whether we want more or less refugees
>Is that right?
Yes, it is correct. I posted a picture of what Germans want. As to "blaming Merkel", I don't blame her either, I blame the Greeks for letting 1 million rapefugees in and shuttling them to the EU mainland without registration within 24 hours of them arriving on islands - look at the map in pic related, it is extremely hard for fugees to get to the EU mainland directly, they just take some raft to get to the Greek islands a few miles off the coast of Turkey... but the fucking Greeks shuttled them 500km to the EU mainland right away.
Once we pressured the Greeks to stop this practice, the arrivals went down by 99%.
Yes, of course, then sturgeon has less leverage.
I do think she would be happier with more concessions from Westminster though, as Gordon brown mentioned the other day.
>As to "blaming Merkel", I don't blame her either
Off topic but.....Do any deutscherbro ITT know if Merkel's regime has ever extradited a US citizen for denying the Holocaust online?
I know it's a funny question but I've been going on German Facebook pages and redpilling people about Hitler and the holohoax.
Someone said they can extradite me for that, I didn't stop, though.
Guten Morgen Deutschland along with other German news pages are my targets and yes, I use my real name.
Thanks for any info and Heil Hitler.
>Russia wants Scotland to split from the UK very badly.
Russia doesn't even know where Scotland is. The UK doesn't even register in the Kremlin, Russia cares about Germany when they think about Europe and they care about China, Japan and to some degree America.
>Referendums are destructive, just look at the last two.
BS. Referendums are great. The British people want their Brexit, it was empowering for them to get a vote.
I also want a Gerxit vote in Germany and a vote in Germany whether we should stop paying money to the deadbeat nations of Europe and a vote about illegals etc.
No American is going to be sent to cuckland Germany for denying the holocaust.
>I also want a Gerxit vote in Germany
That will never happen because Germany IS the EU.
They had a referendum last year, it narrowly didn't pass. The sticking point was that they'd only keep EU membership within the UK. since that point is moot now, it's reasonable to re-run the poll.
I've got family up there and everyone they know fucking hates her
as long as we brexit first,scotland wont leave lol
scotland wants to go full sweden 2.0 and we will not allow it!
You seem to be incapable to read a whole paragraph, right?
Do you blame Bush for 9/11, or Al Qaeda? Because that is sort of the same question. Bush did not cause 9/11, Al Qaeda did. Bush could have prevented it potentially, but it is hard to say. Same for Merkel. Merkel could have potentially prevented Greece from shuttling 1 million of the illegals to the EU mainland by sending the German fleet down to Greece right away and pressuring the Greek government to stop shuttling illegals to the EU mainland without registration.
Shit
I'm trying to get a free trip to Germany.
>That will never happen because Germany IS the EU.
It would happen if we fucking had a real democracy like Switzerland, which is my point.
And actually, Germany will lose most of its influence in Brussels following Brexit, as the socialist deadbeat nations of the EU will have a majority post-Brexit.
>I've got family up there and everyone they know fucking hates her
English people should not be allowed to vote in a Scottish indy ref in the first place. Only real Scots should vote.
But.. They knew there was going to be a referendum on the EU right?
>But.. They knew there was going to be a referendum on the EU right?
Yes, and in 2014 everyone said a Brexit ref would almost certaintly end up being pro-EU.
Leaving the EU was a mistake.
Why do people think Britain are going to give the north sea oil to Scotland?
Even if she gets what she wants, Sturgeon will have to wait a number of years until it is even recognised as legitimate by Westminster.
In reality, the SNP have wasted their time in office and have let their voters down. So it is highly likely that they will lose next time round anyway.
In order for the SNP to remain in "control", they must create new ideas in their manifesto to sway the votes. And even then, they will have to figure out a way to adopt a new currency, apply for the EU, become economically stable (when all the banks move south of the border) etc etc.
But lets me honest....that is never going to happen.
The SNP are done - the union will forever remain.
The EU is done - the union will belong to those who deserve it.
>real scot
What is one of those? How genetically distinct are they?
>London bank bailouts
The two largest bailouts went to Halifax Bank of Scotland and Royal Bank of Scotland
>What is one of those? How genetically distinct are they?
I am pretty sure you can just use a software which analyzes a person's accent and thus eliminate all non-Scots from the electorate pretty quickly.
>Halifax Bank of Scotland and Royal Bank of Scotland
First, 90% of the 500 billion pounds went to London. Second, the banks should have just failed - capitalism demanded it.
Scotland did not vote for this shit, so no reason to take on debt. Same for all military spending.
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I think Scotland could maybe take 15-20 billion pounds in debt, that would be fair.
Russia really wants Scottish independence because it weakens one of the two European nuclear weapons states.
Sure, maybe, but there is a wide variety of accents across the UK, and within Scotland itself
>Implying those in Edinburgh actually have Scottish accents.
The possibility of determining the eligibility of the voter, based on DNA and/or accent is simply retarded as a suggestion.
>The possibility of determining the eligibility of the voter, based on DNA and/or accent is simply retarded as a suggestion.
How about being born in Scotland then? That sounds reasonable to me. Yes, a few English tarts were born in Scotland too, but for the most part it would just be Scots.
Impossible, there are Scots who speak with a more standard accent due to upbringing and a bunch of darkies who have Scottish accents but are not scots.
Russia only cares about economics and the UK registers very low on that front. Also, the UK has virtually no influence over any politics in Europe, so Putin disregards the UK as irrelevant.
>You seem to be incapable
The only thing incapable here is Germany.
Scotland's spending is much higher than any of part of the UK's so if anything we should take more of the debt, not less.
>Second, the banks should have just failed - capitalism demanded it.
I agree with you
>Scotland did not vote for this shit
Neither did any of us though? Iceland did it right.
> economics and the UK registers very low on that front
>still a top 8 economy as all the muh brexit crash predictions were wrong
>irrelevent
>permanent security council member
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Iceland didn't do even close to enough. Robespierre had the right idea.
Many people are born in Scotland and move to England/Ireland at a young age. It is not beneficial to change the right to vote in the indyref from those who live there now and those who were born there. The ones who are subject to the change should have the right to determine their fate.
The SNP should have just accepted the first result and done the best for their voters whilst in power.
Sturgeon is a fucking disgrace. SNP out!
SNP wouldn't have it, in their lefty "nationalism" anyone is Scottish, even fresh off the boat somali rapefugees
>The SNP should have just accepted the first result
That's not how EU shills operate.
our union is a natural one,just as the usa is
it was founded by a scottish king also
the uk is 100s of years old
we cant allow some fame seeking bitch wanting a bronze statue to shit on OUR people! and the scots are our people
They have no choice now I guess.
Brexit is happening and May is denied the possibility of another ref for years. SNP on suicide watch.
Aren't scots sick of being eternally cucked? You are butt of all national jokes. If you don't vote in ndependence this time just give up and start saying your English. Honestly.
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Well the spending person is worked out differently in the rest of the uk and scotland, basically giving scots more per person. en.m.wikipedia.org
Wish people would stop calling it 'Indy ref' it's cringe as fuck
It has happened you kraut cuck. It happened in Ireland with the Lisbon treaty. Fuck the EU.