What I find funny about this whole Destiny mess is how hard some left-wing morons are betraying/compromising their beliefs just to try and shit on Sup Forums. It's actually similar to what some of the stormfags did when Trump got popular.
The retarded shit he said about military intervention in Mexico is not only infantile, but would be considered imperialist and ultraconservative to most of the Latin America's left. His stance on the economy is so neoliberal it would make Reagan look like a socialist.
I've seen his Sargon stream and the way the chat reacted when Sargon called himself "liberal" was fucking hilarious. It's as if they think anyone who is against mass immigration is now inevitably a conservative Sup Forumsack alt-righter, while their baby boy Destiny can spout half-baked chicago-school libertarian theory that he barely understands out of his ass but as long as he's pro social justice and hates Trump he's a liberal. The cognitive dissonance that goes on is amazing to watch. How long will this continue?
Are those ESL classes not working out for you, Chang?
Cooper Hughes
Destiny destroyed all of Sup Forumss men. How can you guys even compete? Who can debate Destiny? Even Alex Jones don't want to debate Destiny.
Landon Wright
he got angry at destiny because he btfo the right therefor the monkey gotta make a blog post how angry he are
Ryder Walker
>how angry he are The only positive thing about you twitch steamers invading Sup Forums is how easy it is to identify you. Most of you sound around 13 or so.
Andrew Stewart
>Waaaa why can't I label people's political beliefs waaaa there is no such thing as being an independent
Kys
Jacob Powell
I can't understand why would you think Destiny did well against sargon. It's like you're still trying to capitalize on his debate with Jontron and now no matter what he's a victor.
Either way, stop worshiping e-celebs, it makes you look like a faggot.
Mason Murphy
based destiny
William Clark
>. It's as if they think anyone who is against mass immigration is now inevitably a conservative Sup Forumsack alt-righter
Who the fuck is trying to immigrate to Brazil? Most people with sense try to stay away from you favella moneky's.
Nathan Wright
understandable, have good day to you fuck u my names steven
Isaiah Smith
>independent He isn't an independent, he's a confused leftist with some libertarian influences. He doesn't even know what "neoliberal" means, and he's probably very confused about what conservatism means.
>Who the fuck is trying to immigrate to Brazil? Paraguayans, Bolivians, the chinese, africans in general, and recently a massive ammount of venezuelans. You can blame bolivarian socialism for the last one.
Alexander Hughes
>the right How did I miss this. The pure "right-wing", in the current left-right political spectrum, is generally percieved as corporativist, against the minimal wage, and generally pro mass immigration. These are all extremely reactionary 19th century beliefs. Literally american revolution era stuff. He's just short of being pro-slavery. Destiny is extremely right-wing, he's just not a "conservative" socially, and seems to also be a reformist to some extent. He's a libertarian, and right-wing, certainly a lot more than Sargon seems to be from that stream.
Nathaniel Hall
Just ignore the shills, they aren't here to make good arguments. Just post as much shit as they can so when someone sees threads, they only see opposing viewpoints that contradict Sup Forums's general consensus, so that person is influenced towards thinking against a point that is usually based, such as what you've said.
Tl;dr shills love covering for their little bitch of a streamer e-celeb.
Dominic Hernandez
This is obvious, but just like /leftypol/'s commies, I enjoy debating with shills and board hoppers from time to time. I won't make more threads after this one, so don't worry about it.
Jeremiah Murphy
quit pushing this meme, destiny is a fast talking faggot who strawmans stop
Brandon Perez
Bro, come on bro, bro, bro, bro... Yeah, top tier debating skills there. Destiny must be a quadroon because he's a nigger tier intellectual who will only appeal to young gamers. His cult is more pathetic than Molymeme's.
Aaron Lewis
>Said on stream several times he considers himself an independent >Not conforming to your labels makes someone confused
Unironically kill yourself
Brandon Garcia
>Said on stream several times he considers himself an independent Do all of you destiny buttboys have zero reading comprehention skills? Of course he says he's independent. What I'm saying is that he isn't, he's just a confused liberal using right-wing libertarina talking points. He's too stupid to actually be an actual indepentent, because he doesn't actually understand half of the points he tries to dish out, especially on economics. He just parrots what he reads.
The one thing he's passionate about is the liberal sjw crap, which he seems to believe in and will probably never change his mind.
Ethan Robinson
Carpet cleaning tho.
Easton Thomas
Naked Ape handed him his ass, and he ended the debate like a little bitch.
>bring in cheap migrants, legally or otherwise >they drive down wages >tax the people employing these migrants (heavily presuming they aren't using a tax shelter elsewhere on the globe) >and btw, also raising the tax rate on companies NOT employing migrants, too, so they do less hiring >redistribute the wealth to the poor people displaced by the migrants in the first place >and also, to Shaneequa and her welfare babbies
Sure fire recipe for destroying a Western country's middle class, and it's worked well for a quarter century, now.
Until Trump, that is.
Cooper Barnes
I can't understand why would you think sargon did well against Destiny.
Wow its like both sides have their opinions and nobody is willing to change at all just like destiny said in the beginning.
Brandon White
>SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP
Yeah definitely got his ass handed to him there. Are you retarded, or just that blinded by ideology?
Aiden Parker
>I can't understand why would you think sargon did well against Destiny. It's not about changing anyone's minds. Don't pretend it's about this, as we all know what's going on. Jon Tron knew shit about debating and did poorly, and now a bunch of steam mongoloids and other groups are here to try and meme destiny into the Sup Forums slayer or whatever the fuck.
My post was simply attempting to inform him that e-celeb worshipping is faggot-tier behavior and never ends well here.
Blake Adams
Does he have a muscle disease or are his shoulders smaller than a concentration camp resident for no reason?
Michael Ward
This fucking faggot signed off before I got a chance to debate him.
Going to message him and see if I can go in there.
James Allen
>lel, I nitpick And Destiny debates like a spastic, no official debate would even allow this, there would be restrictions like "make three points and explain..." instead Destiny just makes 50 points and talks so fast his opponent cannot even refute one until he made the next one and he is facing 50 different points (and already forgot 49 of them). 100% justified to tell him to shut the fuck up.
Camden Sullivan
What should I say to the dude who got BTFO?
Henry Torres
> or just that blinded by ideology? The same could be said about you. Nakedape is obnoxious, but the part where he stated that he actually read the study Destiny was mentioning made Destiny look quite bad. He got flustered and it seemed as if he looked for a way out of it.
The thing about him is that he isn't an intellectual, he hasn't written anything on economics and at best have skimmed a few studies and journalistic articles on the subject. If you're putting a lot of faith in him as your debate genious, you'll eventually get very disapointed.
What is even the context of this?
Jaxon Reyes
dude its destiny. he spent his developmental years playing starcraft and meming online while probably be malnourished (although now he isnt this fucker is making a lot of money now i think).
he's just autistic bro.
Joseph Richardson
Nice try.
32:55, does the old "I'm gonna cut you off right there, you're too unreasonable" trick, and ends the interview like a bitch.
"Let's play some video games." I can almost hear the lump in his throat, kek.
Luke Walker
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Liam Hill
Nice sidestepping of my entire point. I never said destiny isn't a retard as well.
Justin Morales
Neither did anyone say nakedape isn't stupid. As most people presently defending here are shills, it shouldn't surprise you that people assume you're also one.
Logan Cruz
when did Sup Forums become Sup Forums
Nathaniel Kelly
Oh, sorry. I must've missed your point because you express yourself like a moron and construct your posts accordingly.
We all need to work harder to understand what autists like you are trying to say.
The moment everyone got angry with the board and came here to troll and shitpost.
Joseph Perry
Destiny has really opened my eyes to how uneducated, misinformed, and idiotic most alt-right/right-wingers really are. He has won every debate against all the famous right-wing advocates he has come up against and even made most of them salty as hell, like Jim and Ape. He even managed to stop Naked Ape in less than 30 minutes in his debate and has shown how immature Ape really is. Really? Shut up, shut up, shut up? Pathetic. Now I'm back to being a Leftie, because it is the logical, rational position to take, thanks to Destiny. Sup Forums is just a bunch of cucks with the illusion of rationality, morality, and sanity.
Benjamin Cruz
The funny thing is that making a post about reporting someone is literally against the rules and I could easily get you banned if I wanted to, but I'm not going to because I'm not a complete cunt. Read the OP before reporting you moron, I'm not a shill.
You'd probably know this too if you had been posting for more than a year.
Jaxon Anderson
Truly the most shill-y shill that ever shilled for a shekel or a shilling.
James Watson
lol
Brayden Anderson
7/10, nice and spicy Is this the new "suburban and rural retards" by the way? You canadians are really naturally good at shitposting. No, really: the official symbol for autism should be a fucking leaf.
Carter Rodriguez
>left-wing morons are betraying/compromising their beliefs just to try and shit on Sup Forums
It's not just the left side It's from multiple angles people who support Jon, people who un-ironically like Sarcuck, tumblr/SRS/reddit etc
Juan Lee
Don't just skim my post, speed reader. I actually made this point in the OP, it's in the first paragraph, as in the second half of the first fucking sentence.
Dominic Taylor
3 words make Destiny's entire platform come burning down like the Hindenburg, off shore accounts
He supports globalization and yet somehow he thinks that super rich people in the US will just hand over boat loads of money to the lowest class of people and not
1. Open an off-shore account and toss it in there at tax time
2. Open a business in another country and "invest" their money into that at tax time
3. Move their corporate HQ to another country with a better tax structure
Destiny is extremely naive and has a grave lack of understanding on how the world really works outside of his la la land idealism.
His ENTIRE platform is a contradiction:
>wants lots of immigrants to the US
>supports globalization and outsourcing
So you want to move lots of people here at the exact same time all the jobs go out to the countries these people used to be in?
So what exactly are people going to DO when they get to the US and all the jobs are back in the countries they used to live in?
This is why neoliberalism is undoubtedly the most retarded political ideology that has existed since neoconservatism
Nicholas Ward
>He supports globalization and yet somehow he thinks that super rich people in the US will just hand over boat loads of money to the lowest class of people and not This alone should be enough to kill his points. No self-respecting left-wing or right-wing person would hold such contradictory beliefs, other than unironic neoliberals. Except most neolibs are pro-oligarch and technocratic, while he's just a naive liberal who thinks he's figured out the magical formula to optimize capitalism into solving world poverty.
Austin Walker
gamergate, Sup Forumsharbor, 2014
Sup Forumss first wave of mass migrants were Sup Forumsirgins
Dominic Lewis
My favorite part about his "platform" is where he claims people have no agency. That biology doesn't exist. That "growing your economy" no matter what is a good thing and that Europe is fine.
Jose Torres
Holy shit this is autistic, are you 14?
Jayden King
>The retarded shit he said about military intervention in Mexico For this scenario, it would be with the help (and consent) of the Mexican government to bomb the criminal cartels. Getting the Mexican govt. to not be corrupt and actually agree with this is a different topic
>His stance on the economy I don't agree with him on this
>It's as if they think anyone who is against mass immigration is now inevitably a conservative Sup Forumsack alt-righter I don't remember him advocating for mass immigration or saying mass immigration has zero downsides
I think Sargon had a good chance to bring Destiny back into the middle about the economy (away from his globalist stance), but the way he articulated it wasn't effective
Samuel Long
you know there's no such thing as "neoliberalism" right? you using that word makes you sound like a retarded conspiracy theorist
Nathan Price
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Austin Wood
His debate style is called the Gish Gallop, its nothing new and it makes you look like an asshole.
Nathan Moore
It's because we're in the midst of a Overton shift. Everybody is very confused because the public discourse is getting hit with an avalanche of compelling information and fresh arguments that conflict with their core belief systems. Popular voices of reason are being shaken up, previously taboo subjects are becoming hot topics, the lines between the "sides" are getting increasingly blurry, actual debates end in draws because it's hard to pin down credible information and arguments. How long this will go on is hard to say. All we know is that we're going to see a lot of more this until the public can settle on a new window of discourse. When it's all said and done we'll have a whole new set of vocabulary and ideas that float around in the public's consciousness
Ryan Kelly
Name a single time he did that? The only ones Gish Galloping are his opponents, I'm surprised he doesn't call people out on it more.
Joseph Price
Destsiny is retarded. He has no idea to what degree migrants are a "net-positive" to the economy, but is 100% confident that it will more than pay for a massive redistribution scheme.
Other pitfalls * 1. Native born citizens must lose all self respect, and become unemployed welfare recipients. Also, 2. How to ensure ONLY citizens will receive welfare payments?
The Democrat party would scream "racist" until it was offered to everyone in the US, regardless of immigration status. Especially since illegal immigrants are their most loyal constituency.
Nathan Flores
>For this scenario, it would be with the help (and consent) of the Mexican government to bomb the criminal cartels It was with the help and consent of south american government officials that the US helped to stage and arm many coups here to fight communist influence. Same thing with Colombia and the FARCs.
Even if it was a smart and effective thing to do (it isn't), it would still be seen as aggressive american interventionism by a lot of people, and that's my point.
>you know there's no such thing as "neoliberalism" right? >conspiracy theorist The term is indeed overused, especially by the left, but in no way it makes me sound like a conspiracy theorist. The term was coined by actual academics and it's still in use.
Hudson Walker
>Gish Gallop We've already talked about this on the board and other forums Destiny's own chat has criticized him about it already, he's addressing the problem and adjusting his speaking style
There's nothing wrong with not being 100% up to date with all the debates and stuff. The point of my points is you inform you
People say some parts of his discussion with Jon could count as gish galloping
Charles Turner
Here you go, pal.
Jackson Thompson
>Even if it was a smart and effective thing to do (it isn't), it would still be seen as aggressive american interventionism by a lot of people, and that's my point.
Yes, and he's saying that (paraphrasing) >Why don't we stop doing all this stuff in the M.E. and use our resources at the south of the border? This way, we can experience the immediate effects in the USA much sooner than doing shit halfway across the world
"Immediate effects", as in getting rid of the drugs/cartels and Mexico being more stable because we got rid of the cartels (or at least significantly reduce their influence)
btw, I'm not sure if he said this line at the Jim debate. But I definitely heard him say this on stream
Ayden Jenkins
>he's addressing the problem and adjusting his speaking style
Strange promise to make, user. Because he said so? He'll revert back to it the second he's in any type of trouble.
Ethan Robinson
This is what I was getting at, but most people ITT aren't picking it up. This is the actual left/sjw devolving into Sup Forums Sup Forums tactics to combat Sup Forums. I think it's hilarious, and it will be a lot more destructive to them than it is to actual conservatism (which is already a lost cause).
This is in reality a loss for democratic socialism, as people who defend Destiny are apparently turning into some kind of anti-populist, anti-nationalist economic libertarianism and calling it "left wing", which to them means "against the alt-right" or anti-racist. It's the inevitable counter-cultural initiative against Trump, it seems.
Aaron Cooper
>similar to what some of the stormfags did when Trump got popular. Nice divide and conquer attempt Huehue.
Evan Stewart
Sargon destroyed Destiny. At times I thought Sargon was arguing with a pre-teen.
Molymeme could annihilate him after an opium binge.
William Smith
He's debated like 6 people already since Jon/Nakeape and it's noticeable His autism is definitely reduced (at least within the first hour) kek
Charles Sanchez
>the way the chat reacted when Sargon called himself "liberal" was fucking hilarious
Destiny likes to say his political views can't be simplistically "labeled" but he doesn't extend that same courtesy to others. He continues to label Sargon "alt-right" even though Sargon is nothing close to alt-right and is actually to the left of Destiny on most issues.
He's basically a more feminine version of Hillary Clinton.
Adrian Diaz
>dog bro no dog autism!
Truly the debater of the century.
Robert Lee
Fair enough. Only saw the Sargon debate.
Julian Sanders
Nobody ever said you have no agency whatsoever. What he's saying is that everybody acts within limits set by society, economic status, culture etc. We always have some agency but its much more narrow then we like to believe. Overwhelming majority of people never transcend social class they were born into.
Dylan Williams
If it makes you feel happy I'll refrain from using the term "stormfag", it's a force of habit as I see them as ridiculous. But I have no intention of dividing anyone and I don't give a fuck if pol's hivemind is ethno-nationalist. I'm just trying to have an actual conversation on a topic that's apparently "hot" now, but I do understand that by doing so I must seem like a shill these days.
>"Immediate effects", as in getting rid of the drugs/cartels and Mexico being more stable You have no idea if that would happen. Do you have any idea how much fucking police you would need to kill a multi-bilion dollar business? You'd turn them into a police state, and to maintain the "stability" you brought them you'd have to keep military poresence there for an indefinite amount of time. I'm sure it would work out great, as innocent civilians die from ops and people start calling it a racist war. Iraq war 2.0 times 100 is what your retarded streamer is calling for, and anyone who defends this is completely ignorant on international politics and strategy.
