What are your excuses for still supporting captialism as the main means of distribution of goods and services?

What are your excuses for still supporting captialism as the main means of distribution of goods and services?

I'm a national socialist. Capitalism is a Jewish system or perhaps it is simply very easy for them to control it.

What's the alternative?

I'm poor as hell, but I don't want to steal from others -- that's what socialism is. Stealing.

Capitalism provides me with enough cheap food and entertainment, all without stealing from others. Seems like it works.

To chase success

Basically this. NatSoc helped improve the lives of everyone, working class and entrepreneur alike in Germany.

Stand back lads, I've got this.

Why? Because it WORKS.

Stupid fucking leaf can't figure out why the neighbor to the south and their system is the very reason for his country's economic prosperity.

This

I don't believe unfettered capitalism is viable in the long run.

Capitalism drives technology> Technology replaces human jobs> Thus capitalism takes jobs from the people.

After a certain threshold you HAVE to have socialist policies fill the gaps that capitalism leaves.

A successful capitalist system eventually leads to mass unemployment. Period. It's how you prepare for that mass unemployment that determines the future of your nation.

Experimenting NOW with a Universal Basic Income to be a stopgap when unemployment is the norm, and Free Education to keep people ahead of the automation curve and in a job as long as they are available is how we find our way to a successful post-capitalist-critical-mass economy that is viable and functions for its citizens.

You can call socialism stealing all you want, but you can renounce your citizenship and never pay taxes again TODAY. You also GUARANTEE you won't collect any of the benefits that others pay for! That way you KNOW you're not "stealing".

why not just have capitalism without usury

This, NatSoc is the true third position. It takes into consideration class struggle and racial hierarchy.

cant wait to trigger my banker relatives with this gem thanks op

we're not even close to step 2 yet.

Wow, spotted the LARPers

In reality Hitler was a Keynesianfag, and his policies eventually ran high deficits. It would've been unsustainable much like the Obamanomics of today

Why wait until its upon us? The nations that start experimenting earlier are the ones most likely to find a solution that works when the time does come.

Preparing for the future, BEFORE the jobpocalypse is the point.

Capitalism is jewish and needs to be abolished.

And no, you cannot be a right winger and support capitalism. At least not in its current form. Every single transnational corporation in existence today believes in and publicly promotes an ideology to the left of the average marxist university professor.

I agree with most of what you're saying, I just don't agree with UBI. I think we should use retraining and education programs to get people jobs, and anyone who's still left out afterwards can be conscripted.

What we need is NATIONAL BOLSHEVISM!

Why is the bayonet mounted upside down?

>Capitalism drives technology> Technology replaces human jobs> Thus capitalism takes jobs from the people.

And it adds entirely new ones. Most people have never even heard of a farrier or a wainwright these days because those jobs were almost completely killed by the creation of the automobile.

On the other hand, the wainwrights of yore couldn't even imagine a field like computer science.

This modern-day Malthusianism is as wrong-headed as its predecessor and for the same reason: it fails to account for human ingenuity.

I think a UBI is ultimately not the solution, but experimentation with the UBI will be the next step in finding a more permanent solution. It's evolutionary.

My hope is this: Assuming no UBI is toyed with, eventually governments will find themselves in a labor predicament. Wherein people are no longer necessary for labor, but a lack of jobs without any means of higher achievement or socialist flotation devices will mean growing dissatisfaction with the government as a whole.

No one will be able to get re-elected so long as unemployment keeps rising with no solution to normalize it. This is where the relationship of government and citizens shifts. The government is now no longer able to push warm bodies to labor. So we see the government shift from profiteering, to justifying its own existence with incentive programs. The government essentially is FORCED to become the service that it was always imagined to be, or face sweeping reform/revolution.

Conscription is not viable. We're assuming that simple labor is the first thing replaced by automation here, and combat and military labor are either already heavily automated, or incredibly ripe for automation.

I don't disagree that this is functionally the same as those cases. I do disagree that the outcome will be the same though. Mostly because we're facing a situation in which ALL simple labor is going to become easily performed by non-human entities at some point.

The only jobs being created are going to ones that require higher knowledge than is currently profitable to automate, and as it stands, especially in the united states, we're not putting any money into non-predatory higher education. As long as Higher education saddles people with significant debt as a default, it will never be taken advantage of at a pace suitable to outperform automation. Leaving millions completely unemployable by no fault of their own.

It's hard to predict the growth of automation, but I think it's reasonable enough to put a plan in place that assumes that eventually robots will also be able to perform jobs that require higher and higher level thinking skills, eventually even testing the upper limits of human ingenuity. If for no other reason than future proofing our society in case human ingenuity does in fact have a hard cap.

Military is one of the things that can always use human bodies. To start off, you've got cities, tools and equipment which are designed around humans, and while humanoid robots can be built, they are excessively complicated compared to wheeled and tracked robots. Furthermore, warfare is one of the few times where the automation is going to be attacked in such a way that humans come in handy, as EMP, hacking, and jamming, will all be directed specifically at robotics. Combine this with limitations such as the maintenance that robots require and their power requirements, and humans remain a constant necessity, as a supplement to the warbots if nothing else.

Those are fair points, I'm willing to cede that issue to you since you've clearly thought this through as well.

I spend a lot of time on /k/.