Vietnam war

I'm having a hard time getting my head around this.

How did America, an advanced capitalist country with inexhaustible military capabilities lose or capitulate to north Vietnam in the Vietnam war?

serous answers only please

What are you talking about? We successfully ended the war by politically subverting the north. That's why communist China invaded Vietnam after reunification.

Guerrilla tactics.

Americans fought the war because they were told to. Not because they wanted to win.

Vietcong fought the war because they were defending their homeland from Americans.

It's a shame. The US could have won.

Hippies and communists here at home sabotaged the war effort.

Is that they teach in American schools. I'm not trying to sound like an arsehole, but you can't say you won but any stretch of the imagination

I wonder if she can read that shirt or not

>lose
Every objective was completed as planned, all reasons for entering the conflict were fulfilled. The only reason you think different is because you buy the bullshit that it was about "stopping communism" or some crap.

>muslim education
4 years later China had to invade Vietnam to keep it aligned with communism

They were not allowed to invade north vietnam

South Vietnam isn't communist, we won you dumb kikes.

>How did America, an advanced capitalist country with inexhaustible military capabilities lose or capitulate to north Vietnam in the Vietnam war?

They didn't. North Vietnam sued for peace, not the US. With the war stopped, the US tossed the keys to the tanks to South Vietnam and left.

Years later, after North Vietnam rebuilt its factories and armies, they again invaded South Vietnam. And despite having years to prepare and train its forces, South Vietnam folded up like Sunday laundry.

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hippies man. and draft dodgers, and liberals. its real simple

And the reasons we were there was to protect corporate interests. And it was done handily. The Vietnam war was a great success, if you measure success in war by whether the actual objectives were completed.
We had no real reason to be there but you can't deny that the reasons that there were(selling military hardware, protecting agricultural interests, getting rid of young men) were very much done.

> winning?

She looks like her mother or grandmother quite possibly loved someone long time.

Disguise level: 9000

>Vietnam war
It was never officially classified as a war but a police action. If it was a war the US would have invaded the North and curb stomped the communists there. That would have led to a similar situation that is in Iraq right now, insurgency and terrorism. The US would have had to pull out eventually and the Chinese would probably have moved in and taken over.

enough with this meme. We got bored and left. We didn't "Lose" to illiterate rice farmers. If we did, they would've invaded our country as retaliation, split it up into occupation zones, and executed our political elite at a show trial. Yeah, the viets sure got us good, that's why we're forced to speak their language and name every public building after Ho Chi Minh.

>will not love you long time
Why even live?

Can we quit the "America was successful in Vietnam" meme and have a serous discussion please?

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I will marry and breed with a white girl, but when I go to asian countries, I always fuck girls multiple times and fill their vaginas with cum. I must have 15-20 kids in japan, filipines, thailand, ect. The girls know what I'm doing but they want a 1/2 white baby.

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You capitulated by withdrawal

fun boots on the ground, you fuckers should have turned every forest in the north to ash, and you could have if you weren't a bunch of big fucking pussies that yielded to a bunch of shoeless, unwashed hobos with flowers. Should have shot those cunts too for good measure, would have saved us a lot of trouble today.

>How did America, an advanced capitalist country with inexhaustible military capabilities lose or capitulate to north Vietnam in the Vietnam war?

America brought North Vietnamese to the table where they made a deal, America claimed Victory in Vietnam day (VV day), after which they slowly attacked town after town spreading southward and Democrats in the US congress refused to honor the word of the US government--which was to supply south Vietnam with equipment to fight the north.

Political will to fight, essentially. Militarily while the US was involved it was a great victory.

Yes, winning. You have a skewed idealistic view of what a successfully run war is.
There's a difference between a war we shouldn't have been involved in that we only got into for corporate run well and a good war won. There is no winning the sort of war Vietnam was because there was no objective, not one an idealist like you would see. The people profiting from it knew what the objective was(prohint: it was for them to profit off it).

Is Americans fantasizing about Vietnamese women some kind of stockholm syndrome?

This. The pussies back home made it so we fought a war without trying to win.

Probably becomes waging war not in direct proximity has become a fucking drain on the economy these days. Sure you can napalm whole fucking forest and viets in it, but it'll cost half your budget meanwhile they with bunch of stolen AKs will kill your convoys and provoke your response wich will furthermore empty your pocket.
That's the only reason for my hope of no WWIII - I mean how much more in debt can West go?

The whole conflict of Vietnam was a mess. You have the american army getting bad reputation, the CIA with their shaddy deals in the zone, young people fighting against guerrilla vietnamites that sacrificed their life and humanity for their country. Later the USA had to get out of Vietnam and was such a strike that they haven't recovered from that. And this was a few years after Korea.

In the end Vietnam also fell victim of the same people they were fighting against it and became a poor and corrupted place.

We were successful at all objectives. Unless you want to pretend there were any ideological objectives but there weren't.

Nice meme

no we didn't. Saigon told us they didn't need our help anymore so we left. And what do you know, they moment uncle sam leaves, they got curb stomped. 60,000 American casualties versus 1,000,000+ Vietnamese casualties is hardly a loss. I'm not saying it was a victory but to call it a loss is ridiculous

divide and conquer thread.

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But America did win. We got Communist China to fight Communist Russia in Vietnam. Ruskies lost the game of political subversion in Vietnam.

Do you have any idea how many tons of heroin was trafficked to Americas during Vietnam war? Or how many helicopters were destroyed and replaced by the relevant defense contractors? Sounds like a successful war to me.

Ho Chi Minh Trail, read about, in short, guerrilla warfare...

>The pussies back home made it so we fought a war without trying to win.
What would the win condition have been? It was planned to unsinkable partly because we had no business being involved in it but mostly because we only got involved to satisfy big business.

In all seriousness:

1) They didn't dare to pactually attack the north with troops on the ground, because China would likely get involved (and actually really BTFO the US since they can project much more force that near to their borders) and possibly start WW3

2) The US could not accept losses to the same degree that North Vietnam could, so they simply bled them until the US, as a nation, lost the will to fight. Which was only possibly due to...

3) North Vietnam and the associated guerilla fighters in the south were hardened by decades of conflict, they had much accrued experience. Also, Vietnamese are just a hardy, intelligent people, they can not be compared to sandniggers or africans in intellect and thus tactical/strategic ability.

the cold war would've been a comfy time to be alive

>your nation is united against the red terror
>commies getting BTFO by McCarthy
>GOAT automobiles
>mostly white

Liberal media treason. Walter Cronkite was fake news.

The Vietnamese sure as shit didn't drive the Americans out.

Homeland politics and fucking hippies caused the Americans to withdraw. Those half-squat gooks just had to wait it out.

Doesn't matter though. Capitalism won in the end.

>Cue americans trying to get olympic gold in mental gymnastics

The brass decided it should be a war of attrition because they were scared of foreign involvement.

We never attacked into north vietnam and it was a defensive war.

that shirt needs an argentine flag... photoshop fag, please do it.

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That is not an ethnic Vietnamese, what the fuck is that? They don't have an african minority over there.

Because Americans are fat, have low condition and are not trained enough to survive in the jungle. Obvious they have no chance against people who live in the jungle, are fit and don't have anything to lose.

State the objectives then, and back them up with sources.

soldiers no matter the fight, will have low morale when fighting for a reason they do not believe in. we really had no business there and the troops knew it. they saw their friends dying every day in a strange place when they could have been relaxing back home. same with iraq and afghanistan.

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Japanese girls are prob the easiest, but not great looking once you take their clothes off, and filipinas are prob the best, but you have to be in the right part of the country to get the light skinned ones. They love to swallow cum too, so its always an internal battle to remember to cum in their pussies instead of grabbing their hair and cumming in their throats

Civic sabotage at home.

Basically Hippies really were a commie project and Jhon Lennon was a Marxist.

Thank Dio that power metal exists so the commie music got BTFO.

>Because Americans are fat

obesity epidemic didn't begin until the 80s

>have low condition

you should see our SEALs. We are Ubermenschen

>are not trained enough to survive in the jungle

fair enough

What kind of revisionist bullshit is this? The invasion was because of the schism between the Soviets and China, and Vietnam pushed the Chinese out of Vietnam anyway so why did they stay commie then?

They won. Soon Nguyen is gonna be the most common name in the United States

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I saw ALOT of northern eurofags in thailand last time I was there, all over 6'5 and all getting their dicks wet

Americas military had nothing to do with it. Fighting and winning battles was the only thing going right...

be a hero Sup Forums like stickman himself get yourself a vietnamese wife

Serious question americans, what do they teach you in school about the vietnam war, like, literally?

It would have led to a massive counter-attack by China and possibly WW3 you retard. Also, it would have induced HEAVY losses, which the US were obviously not willing to take.

We didn't lose, we withdrew because it lost public support due to the anti-war movement in the US.

Because a Republican was in charge and (((they))) couldn't let the """war""" be won by him.

Dio was still a complete weirdo and therefore subversive. Many musicians tend to be ludicrous. Namely, Varg

bloody war, no real point to it other than as a proxy war against communism, media fuck us, and the hippies at the time went to far in attacks of soldiers coming home, which is why every war since we've been sucking on the dicks of any retard with a military uniform

Is that why you literally had to threaten the North with NUKES to get them to even sign the peace-treaty? Saigon fucking BEGGED for you to stay but you betrayed them completely.

There was no set objectives, it was search and destroy. The soldiers didnt know how to do this effectively.
The m16 with the shitty ammo didnt help.
And the unwilingness to fight

Muh 'stab in the back'

Exactly what you cucks would want to hear, you forget our school system is filled with pussy marxists

We didn't hit them in laos & Cambodia and we did fuck all about Russian interference.

>France calls in US military to help keep N Vietnam from wiping out S Vietnam
>America agrees because muh red spread
>America keeps N Vietnam from wiping out S Vietnam
>America leaves because everyone in America is like "Fuck it, let the gooks kill the gooks"
>French-ruled S. Vietnam surrenders
>Red spread stopped


It's astounding what they consider "losing a war" nowadays.

Wasn't even total war and every time they were near civilians they got blown up by hookers and children strapped with grenades. Look up the k/d ratio and see who really won

It's a great example of 'win every battle, lose the war'.

>spend 16 years fighting a war we didn't need to fight on behalf of an ally
>betrayed

You... are retarded. We are there for the prostitutes. You know that prostitutes have sex with anyone for money, right?

>Communism turned on itself in Vietnam
>Soviet Union collapsed
America BTFO!

they thought they could do what the french couldn’t. win an asymmetrical war against a determined, well backed and experienced foe on its own triple canopy turf. the only way you can win a war like that is through genocide.

About 47,000 died and 3,03,000 were injured, 23,000 were 100% disabled for life.

Communists took over the US and turned it into the cuckshed it is today

this. Same goes for N. Africa in the second world war. Rommel was butchering beady eyed Anglos like cake until his supplies got cut

Short time is just as good baby.

Hippies

The south, a regime that you helped set up, were completely reliant on US arms and ammunition. After you left, they didn't even have ammo enough to fight back in any sort of effective manner.

the US wasn't there to "win a war" though. No US military objective included taking out North Vietnam. US military was only there to keep S. Vietnam from being overrun, and it worked, as long as US presence was there.

S. Vietnam didn't fall until after the.very.last.American.left

People are shitting on the goalie for not scoring any points when he didn't allow the other team a single fucking goal. It wasn't his fucking job to score the goals.

Democrats cutting funding for the war. War wasn't popular and there was the (((Civil Rights))) movement going on, which was very destructive and riots in cities occurred.

Do you see any lions around, etc.

Honest answers here Sup Forums would you fuck Asian Bailey Jay?

The American military won.

The American Nation lost.

War correspondents, mass media and a new surge of acid dropping hippie draft dodgers created a situation back home where it was not in a politicians best interest to keep supporting the war otherwise face losing reelection.

Couple that with increased social problems at home and you have an army blitzkrieg an entire nation told to turn around.

It's why so many vets are salty. It isn't just about being treated like shit when they got back, but also that they were denied a "victory".

In our history books it say's we lost. In military history books it say's we fucking annihilated then.
Matter of perspective.

>Lose

We steamrolled the NVA and VC at almost every engagement. We slaughtered their armies, militia, and families and they were practically powerless to stop us. For the duration of American involvement in the war, the North Vietnamese made little if any gains, and what temporary gains they made were shortlived and cost them dearly. From a military standpoint we BTFO of the communists.

If you are wondering why we didn't invade and conquer the North, it's because we didn't want to, not because we couldn't. US high command was rightfully concerned that if Americans made too much headway into North Vietnam, the Chinese would get involved and it would turn into Korea 2: Electric Boogaloo. Therefore our military operations were restricted to purely defensive measures in South Vietnam, and occasional skirmishes into North Vietnam. Rather then simply conquer North Vietnam and risk Chinese involvement, we opted to simply inflict so many casualties on the North that they would give up their aggression and sign a peace treaty with the South. And inflixt massive amounts of casualties we did.

The problem is that communists have absolutely no regard for the lives of their fellow man. They were getting BTFO but they were always willing to draft or indoctrinate more people to throw into the meat grinder. The NVA were drafting fucking ten year old girls by the end of US involvement. Meanwhile the Chinese were keeping them stocked with weapons and other materials.

So I'm not sure if you can call it a loss. We never capitulated, and we weren't defeated militarily. When South Vietnam fell, we were officially not involved with the war in any meaningful way. How can you say we lost a war when, for the duration of our involvement in said war, we had almost nothing but decisive victories?

What the FUCK are you trying to say, Sweden?

That North Vietnam wasn't trying to invade South Vietnam? That Communism wasn't spreading in the 50's and 60's?

What retarded fucking excuse of an argument could you possibly be making from your wife's closet?

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Lacked the will to do the job right, out of control niggers at home, out of control Democrats at home, out of control (((media))) coverage--first war to have real "press" coverage prior to CNN.

Easy for (((the media))) and whoever else to poison Americans against just doing it properly and make them think that all conflict is negative.

Germany won ww1

>you should see our SEALs.
only a handful of seals. 99% of trainee's don't succeed in training.

>We are Ubermenschen
450million Americans

pick one

It is a faulty theory. If you hadn't invaded, the only difference would be that Vietnam would be richer today, and a lot of suffering would have been avoided. Nobody saw the Vietnam-war and thought 'Gee, better not turn commie now that the US has shown who is boss... by starting to cry and running away'

Short time will do sweetie.

A lot more suffering would have been avoided if the North Vietnamese never adopted communism, yet here we are.

>Be Swedish
>Don't know the difference between France and the USA
Shit, Tyrone, get it together

OH LOOK ITS THIS THREAD AGAIN.

Same OP pic, title, and message copy pasta'd from previous identical threads. Not suspicious or blatant (You) fishing at all.

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