Does Sup Forums actually have any proof that young white men or men in general are "opting out" of society?
Whether it's MGTOW or the issue of men opting out without a movement, you people never shut the fuck up about it and I don't really see any proof it's actually happening.
And why does Sup Forums keep saying that women are victims because there is a lack of young white men in public now? Women are doing just fine and there is no shortage of dicks for them.
I am proof
yea, me. This whole website.
Do you really think the rise of far right ideas is just a pure coincidence? Think again.
I have a gf but I can still read the writing on the wall.
Just think of China where there are almost 100 million more men than women. That's 100 million chinks who will never have a partner, I think society has reached it's worst time to restart
Labor force participation rates among males has steadily been declining.
Unironically this
Fuck society. All the money I make is in my TFSA. I'm not going to work for my cash because then the government will just tax it to pay for migrant programs. I'm not going to help my community because my community is full of people who don't look or act like me. I'm not going to date anyone from my city because the women in my city are self-absorbed mongs.
Why should I "opt in" to society when society wants nothing to do with me (except to make me pay for the luxuries of others)?
>men in general are "opting out" of society?
Define this.
You mean being lazy fags whining all day baby boomers fucked them over, so fuck it all, let it burn? Or do you mean doing back to a simpler life, like freeman way?
Also university participation.
You can only opt out of society by leaving it. Men living off money they havnt earned while ignoring women is an age old tradition.
Yeah but to be fair, women are taking a lot of those jobs. They may not do them as well, but an employee is an employee.
You are one person and that is not overall proof.
Right-wing ideas have rising for a while now, and Sup Forums has been around since 2003. That is not proof.
That graph does not mention minorities or disabled men.
And why does Sup Forums think women are now oppressed because young men are opting out? What a bullshit narrative you all circlejerk about here.
How the heck did this happen
Read this
Men not dating, not getting married, not working or working very little, not going to school after high school, etc.
I have two male housemates all in our thirties. We have all had the opportunity to refuse marriage. One just broke up with his gf because she was trying to tie him down.
I also have two brothers. One chose cock, unfortunately. The other won't even use his real name when picking up females.
I have a married male coworker. He cheats on his wife constantly and tells me often to never get married.
Parents divorced. Grandparents divorced.
It's not proof, but strange that all the male peers in my life fit the description to a degree.
i know many that are living prof plus many many men icluding me are saying it isnt worth it when you have to work 40+hours a week just to hear someone bitch about how unhappy they are.
Well boomers won't fucking die or retire already and they hold most of the wealth for one, so if you're not exceptionally skilled or have richboy connections, you're working for pennies and can't afford a house or have to become a debt slave and go to uni.
Two, women are pickier than ever thanks to things like Tinder and social media. Tinder allows them to match with hundreds of guys in the metropolitan area and they can just get a guy on call if they so desire. You have to compete with that and get their attention. Social media has inflated their egos and makes them believe they're all disney princesses with 10/10 looks and strong smart funny sexy independent women TM, so you get narcissism. It's a high effort, low reward game at this point, especially for white men. You get told you're a evil rayciss sexist and the cause of all the world's problems when you're putting in just as much work/effort as someone else, but because of their color Jamal with his 20 ACT and AA scholarship is automatically a harder worker than you.
I don't think it's as widespread of an issue as people on here act like it is. I've spent almost two years of my life NEET, non-consecutively though, and I know almost no one else that has. There IS an issue with our educational system, which is controlled by women and geared towards women.
No one in my family is divorced except my uncle, but even I'm struggling to establish myself in a career. I've been through like five jobs at this point, and only one of them did I stay with longer than two months. And that was a part-time job I only did on weekends
Chinks murdered female newborns for a while.
Can you just give us a piece of evidence or a synopsis, Einstein? You could even give us a thesis - otherwise you're not actually contributing to the conversation.
The thing is, I can ask on here and it will flush out all the NEETS and bachelors and such that match the narrative I provided in the OP.
People here (perhaps due to autism) seem to have a hard time understand that just because a few men opt out, it doesn't mean that all or most or half of men are opting out.
And women are not victims in all this nor do they give a shit about men "opting out".
Unemployment rates are fucking huge all over Europa and the US.
Just pay attention you faggot.
yeah Mao really fukd China up
Ever visited /r9k/?
Unique child policy mixed with dowry traditions (iirc the bride family has to pay) also boys can work harder so they're more cost-effective for the family
>"opting out" of society
The fuck does that mean?
I still go to work.
I still shop at the supermarket.
I still buy clothes.
I still walk on the sidewalk.
I still pay tax.
I still vote.
I still go out with friends.
I still visit the gym.
I am not growing my own food and making my own fabric in my own mud hut by the river.
I just don't want to get married. Thats not opting out of society, its opting out of marriage.
Society's bitching at us because men aren't entering into marriages, they aren't making new citizens, and they aren't doing the expected, TAXABLE things
>The other won't even use his real name when picking up females.
Good idea to avoid rape charges and child support tbqh
>asking Sup Forums for source instead of just googling it
>calling other people autists
you have no right
Studies have basically proven that all women prefer black men. So it's a bit pointless to try dating if you're white.
It's several things really (on here), most clearly is your point that this sort of topic drags out the sort of people who believe it. Another is that Sup Forums, be it for games, anime, whatever dorky interest dragged these people here in the first place also overlaps with "NEET" culture. Of course there is always the desire to blame external forces for failure, and whether or not it is warranted or to the extent at which people want to believe it to be; it's quite an attractive way of relieving anxiety and guilt.
I do sincerely believe our educational system has multiple problems, at multiple levels, but from my experience the "men dropping out" shit is just a meme. In the same way that that virgin pledge thing that people here talk about is really only relevant to the extended internet culture of this website, extended meaning in how it links to multiple forums, youtube, and other social media sites
Sounds like a lack of discipline.
>cuckposting
>tfw unironically waiting for robot anime gf
Who thinks women are victims here on Sup Forums?
Define "victim" too while you are at it.
Charity Crawford did interracial after like 2 scenes. I'd say most women do prefer black men. Blacked has certainly confirmed it.
So you're fucked up and your social circle is fucked up, two things that are correlated. Still doesn't really make a statement about the world.
Plus, news media loves to hype this meme up for clicks and attention
>name a child Charity
>she does a blacked scene
can't make this shit up
>Does Sup Forums actually have any proof that young white men or men in general are "opting out" of society?
Yeah they're all here projecting their dysfunction on "men in general" to feel better about themselves.
>Work for ambulance service
>Degree had lots of opportunities for placements
>Women consistently did the "easy" placements, e.g. pediatrics ward, nursing homes, regional on road
>Men gravitated towards "harder" placements, e.g. ICU, metro on road, foreign aid
>Lo and behold more than half the women are fucking useless in the workforce
>Lazy as fuck, shit senses of false empathy for the pt, constantly ignore small things
>Have to triple check a lot of my partners work to make sure they're being diligent
>Last week caught partner flat out lying about a pt to a nurse because she had forgotten to investigate the stomach pain that was half the fucking reason we were taking the dementia patient
You are all a bit stupid.
More females have always procreated than males. That's nature. Sperm is very disposable, eggs only come once a month, and gestation takes 9 months.
That means women have to be very selective about who they allow to impregnate them, and they only allow the best (unless they're low value).
What is happening now (a bunch of useless NEET males with nothing to offer dropping out of the workforce) is just a slightly different manifestation of the same age-old phenomenon - the successful men hoarding the women and resources while others have to fight for the scraps. Sure, in the past the male labour participation rate was higher, but that doesn't mean all of these men had families and procreated. Many were probably just lonely sons of bitches who went to work in a factory, or in a coal mine, and never really had enough to offer a woman. Also consider the fact that I am sure there were more men in those days who simply died of starvation on the street, or were just bums their entire lives, also never getting the chance to procreate.
Seriously, there is nothing new at all. Society, as Jordan Peterson says, is just a collection of hierarchies, and men compete to reach the top of those hierarchies, for access to resources and women. There have always been men who lose at this game, and you are the current losers. There's nothing new about that.
>haha just google it xD
No. I see this claim posted on this board over and over that men are "opting out", and the onus is on the people making the claim to provide proof for it.
Besides, when they provide links, it's always the same links over and over again - links that I also find very quickly when I google the topic.
Sup Forums never shuts the flying fuck up about how women are victims because men are not dating or marrying or getting good enough careers, so therefore that leaves women single and it also leaves women with a visible lack of male presence in public.
I'm opting out of society and buying cheap land to build a low cost home on as soon as I'm able and living as cheaply as possible. I'm fairly successful and have a qt gf but fuck this modern life of working constantly to have a few hours to myself, this isn't how life should be.
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Well, some things are new
> women now compete in the same game
> if you don't compete you don't starve, you can even live mostly like a king by all rational standards
> there aren't so many factory jobs left because the bulk of those has been automated
> I'd say most women do prefer black men
whatever you gotta tell yourself m8.
>Blacked has certainly confirmed it.
So a production studio that pays prostitutes to fuck black guys for cuckservatives to feel weird about jerking off to is confirmation that women prefer black guys?
I do not have proof but I do not like it when people blame one side for this issue. It is mainly the fault of both parties throwing away our own traditions.
It needs to change or we will keep going down this bad path.
You can tell that they enjoy it. In regular porn they're going through the motions.
>automated
That's a funny way to say shipped overseas
>die and don't spread your genes
>winning
not how this works. Sure, you lived for you, but ultimately its your genes that lost. Take this as you will m8
I'm not the one who believes the narrative is true. Sup Forums has had a lot of bitter discussions on this for years now.
This board seems to think that a few men opting out means that anything is different now than it ever was at any other point in history.
I watched a documentary about a woman marrying a carnival ride, i guess that certainly proves that women prefer carousels.
Ditto. I avoid taxes and millennial skanks. I pop redpills and prep for race war.
There is a ton of evidence of this and even top think tanks like Brookings Institution and Obama administration officials have been talking about this lately.
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did you even read what i wrote.
>Sup Forums never shuts the flying fuck up about how women are victims because men are not dating or marrying or getting good enough careers, so therefore that leaves women single and it also leaves women with a visible lack of male presence in public.
That's mostly true for women in their 30s, though. They are desperate for marriage. If the trend continues 1 out of 2 millenial women will age alone.
Of course whores in their teens or 20s won't give a shit
Maybe you should respond to those people when they show up instead of making a strawman thread about it.
More circumstance than anything. I only walked out of one because I actually hated it. Two of them were because I wanted to enroll in full time schooling and I got laid off from another
Depends on which game you're playing
The Evolutionary game, yes he'd be a loser
But then again, winning the evolutionary game does not guarantee living the good, wealthy life
Stats of college attainment, number of single people (remember men ask for marriage), doing worse in school; less disposable income etc
All indicators
I am actually on state funded disability due to hurting my back at my job. I wish I could be healthy and working. I do not mind being a neet but I hate not being able to walk on my own without pain.
same desu
>8 years of financial crisis
>Always more and more immigrants living on welfare
>unemployment on the rise
And this proove...?
It's bullshit Sup Forums tells themselves to make them think that their failure is endemic to society rather than a result of personal failure.
I admit it is not proof. More an observation.
Declining marriage rates support the theory that men are increasingly going their own way, or however you want to label said apprehension.
It just means you become immortal along with your country. Which i find to be a greater existence.
I belive in a type of reincarnation, but only those who have children reincarnate and you dont need to die to be reborn.
they aren't opting out, they are just getting cucked out of society
Doesn't really make much difference in the end
>Declining marriage rates support the theory that men are increasingly going their own way
No, it shows that people, men and women, are both not getting married. Think about what I said for a second and compare it to what you said.
What studies are those user?
I heartily agree with you
But there are people who choose not to play that particular game.
>yes goy spend your life filling my pockets with shekels
But we've had threads about this for years, and other non-related threads will end up derailed as people start talking about this very specific topic.
Are you actually mad that I made a thread about a topic I wanted to on Sup Forums? You're a faggot.
>Society, as Jordan Peterson says
DROPPED. Anyone who gets all his information from a talking head E celeb and then regurgitates and pukes it up later is an idiot. DROPPED
>And why does Sup Forums keep saying that women are victims because there is a lack of young white men in public now? Women are doing just fine and there is no shortage of dicks for them.
The problem for them is 30+ aged women generally can't compete with younger women who desirable men (High status men with good careers) prefer to date/marry.
And women want to date men who earn more than them and if men are being neets or happily living on a lower income then they aren't potential partners for them.
How?
Oldfag here, I don't know if young men are "opting out" but they are redpilled as fuck and marriage is definitely on the decline.
So you agree with the Sup Forums circlejerk narrative that women are victims because men won't date or marry them?
Im a heterosexual white male that went into the traditionally female/gay male profession on Human resources. Ive found that all the women dont work very hard, they complain, gossip, and are generally clueless. Yet, when promotions come around all the women got them off of the backs of the few heterosexual males.
I'm mad that you've stated "their" argument for them.
>Yes goy!
>having a family is bad!
>your society doesn't need family at all!
>let me just.. ruin it forever goy..
>friend 1 on trial for raping his wife (he got off but the stigma is there for life)
>friend 2 has to pay (((child support))) and (((alimony))) out the ass
>friend 3 going through divorce court right now
>you need to man up
I'm alright thank you.
Your genetic heritage is an awful argument for taking on the arduous duty of procreating and living with a bitchy needy unloyal woman because it will be diluted to nothing in only a few generations.
A much better reason is that indeed the older you get the fewer people other than your spouse are close to you, and that you may find it heartwarming to hear your children laugh and see them go to childhood and adolescence.
Also that life gets depressing through its monotony anyway and children and a family add diversity to your life experiences.
>Women can have more than one sexual partner.
pic unrelated
>get married
>have kids
>get cucked by jamal
>divorce
>suicide
sounds fulfilling
>think tanks like Brookings Institution and Obama administration officials have been talking about this lately
got any articles on this?
Women fantasize and plan their future marriage since childhood. I doubt it is them that are refusing to commit in large numbers. Weddings and all that you have to buy for them are mainly appealing to females: flowers, invitations, decorations, etc.
I'm sure that there are many females choosing careers over starting a family. But the numbers between the genders I doubt are comparable.
Well, I've given them a chance to clarify themselves here and they just spouted more empty themes without proof. These strawman faggots you allude to are real posters and have been on Sup Forums for years.
>building a house
>not just buying a cheap trailer you can park on that land
>or live inside it while you go on roadtrips
The true redpill DESU. I can live in a different city every day. National parks are my backyard. I make my own clothes and meals out of the animals I hunt/trap/fish.
Do some manual labor occasionally to pay for my frugal lifestyle. Never been happier since I quit my professional job and became an outdoorsman.
Victims are blameless, so, no, they aren't victims.
It's a fact that half of the millenials girls may age alone. If that makes women suffer, then of course it's true that a lot of women will suffer from men opting out of marriage or dating.
I don't know what else to say about this. Do you disagree?
Alright, so you side with the Sup Forums circlejerk that women in western society are victims because men won't date or marry them.
I can counter and say men too are victims since they fantasize about being fathers since childhood. What now? Men aren't allowed to be victims, right? You also disregard things such as financial issues and women not being suitable enough for men to want to marry.
quads of truth
>since they fantasize about being fathers since childhood
AHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAH, what the fuck?
>Victims are blameless, so, no, they aren't victims.
> If that makes women suffer, then of course it's true that a lot of women will suffer from men opting out of marriage or dating
Wait, so you say that women are not victims because they aren't blameless, but then you say they are victims and you end by putting the blame on men?
I'm not sure what your argument is here.
Everything I've ever seen says the exact opposite. Lefties complain that our dating preferences are "rayciss" because no one like nogs except other nogs.
