Trump's health care bill will be rejected

>Trump's health care bill will be rejected

How can Trump recover from this?

Isn't he master of "deal"?

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Dont you have to commit suicide or molest a young girl?

The plan all along.

Ryan is the swamp, he let lobbyists write the bill.

He will be on fire by next week.

Rand Paul will ride in on white horse with REAL plan

Trump will only sign a plan that helps the people, vetoed otherwise


6D Chess

Trump knows the Health Care Bill was shit.

Trump knows they didn't have the votes for it.

Trump did this so Ryan can get some heat for being a useless cuckservative.

Hillbots lose again

kek on suprise win, 11d chess

>TRUMPcare

Keep watching CNN jap

Ryancare will collapse and Trump will win again

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You guys are the masters of mental gymanstics

>GOP has had 7 years to do this
>can't

Wew. This House vote doesn't even matter, it's gonna get shit on in the Senate. This bill was DOA weeks ago.

HA, no, you are the masters of monster stories who can not see reality in front of their faces.

Good luck with the DNC

Speaking of "mental gymnastics"

How does the Left, "progressives" coddle Islam when it is the antithesis to Western freedom, feminism and gay rights?

Are y'all still going on with this damn 6D chess bullshit? Just admit that this bill has been one of Trump's weakest points.

OH NO THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS IS WORKING AS INTENDED!!!

HEY SHARIA BLUE EMPLOYEES, BEING PAID TO FUCK WITH THE OLD SQUAD WILL NOT BE AN EXCUSE.

TAKE YOUR HEAD-PHONES OFF, GET UP NOW, WALK AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER, GO UP TO YOUR SHARIA-BLUE-BALLS BOSS, SAY...

>"FUCK YOU ASSHOLE"

LEAVE AND NEVER LOOK BACK.

DON'T EVEN TAKE THE MONEY.

>THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE IDIOT

t. OLD SQUAD

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So you will witness the greatness of our GOD EMPEROR.

Everyone with decent IQ knows this is a planned failure. Touching healthcare is the worst thing for Trump. They want to have it on record that they tried and then move on to taxes and infrastructure.

They will only touch healthcare after 2018 or 2020. It's too toxic for elections. They can now run on "obamacare sucks" in those elections.

Repealing obamacare is winning a battle but losing the war. The senate will never pass this bill anyway. It's meant to be a failed attempt.

goodluck passing healthcare after 2018 when the democraps steal back the house because of this retardation

IIIIIIIImagination

stfu low IQ monkey

>everyone in washington in both parties hate trump

How is he supposed to get things done when he doesn't even have his own party's backing?

Have fun with your 6/7/8D chess hugbox

I'm just being honest, why couldn't the Republicans simply have passed their 2015 Repeal Bill instead of Paul Ryan creating a terrible sellout plan with Trump supporting him

I'll explain everything for monkey brain. Shit brained retard.

Touching healthcare means election death. The other parts of his platform are actually popular. Such as tax changes and infrastructure.

They will let obamacare stay in place and let it self-destruct with a little help.

Tell me mr monkey why did Trump sign an EO stopping obamacare mandate fines if he was actually expecting it to be dead?

Because then you lose dumbfuck.

>hurr why don't we charge into machine guns like real men

Because doing so is not popular. If you actually had some IQ you would realize things in advance.

You do that change. Then lose all control of government and democrats make it 10x worse when they get control.

Pyrrhic victory you stupid fuckface

People are going to vote Democrat after the GOPs healthcare fails and the population feels the full brunt of Democrat backed Obamacare? Shit in your hat. -___-

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>witness the greatness of our GOD EMPEROR.

It's not Trump's health care bill.

It's Paul Ryan's insurance lobbyist health care bill.

Please stop conflating things that are not reality.

In the most ideal situation healthcare will still be garbade dogshit in 2018 and 2020.

All republicans will lose across the board.

It is far better to leave the healthcare hot potato in the dem's hands and focus on everything else. Dem's will have to run against tax cuts and against infrastructure spending. If you give them this lever, they will kill in 2018 and 2020 with healthcare arguments.

The healthcare system in USA will be shit through 2020 even if you repealed everything or changed everything to free market. There is no point. At most you focus on some cost savings you can use as a PR lever. There is no victory in grabbing the healthcare hot potato and letting it burn your hands to a crisp

> Lets replace ObamaCare with GOPcare

That's why I'm against this damn plan, go listen to Rand Paul for some reason

>planned failure

Pfthahahahaha.

>We're losing ON PURPOSE!

Yeah, that's what this is. They talked shit on Obamacare for years and constantly argued they would repeal it immediately just so they could fail on purpose.

If it isn't Trumps then why is he supporting it?

This

Democrat's campaign in 2018 and 2020 is completely different if obamacare is still in place.

Let it collapse. Win everywhere else, come back in 2021 and get the healthcare changes you want.

If republicans kill obamacare the next step for dems is universal healthcare. You are going to win a battle then Dems will go universal healthcare and reinforce socialism 100x stronger

Rather win everywhere but healthcare, beat dems with obamacare stick till 2020, and then win healthcare too.

so he can say he tried

It's a win-win-win for me

If it passes, obamacare is gone and we get something better that can be worked on and fixed later if it's really as bad as people are hyping it up to be.

If it fails, we still might see a push for something that will get passed, and it will be nothing if not far more conservative.

If it fails, and obamacare doesn't get replaced, then it'll collapse and everyone will know just how incredibly right Trump was and secure a reelection.

lmao

It's like the same people would cheer on Trump and say 6D chess if he announced he was getting rid of the constitution.

I'm a Trump supporter and not some damn ShareBlue shill, but I'm genuinely pissed that Trump is supporting RyanCare because it will only harm him to go with the establishment.

I fully support Rand, what I'm arguing is Democrats sweeping Republicans in 2018 because ObamaCare stays in place, instead of Ryan's GOPCare. GOPCare failing could be the best strategy, let the population deal with what Democrat's ObamaCare is going to do to them, let the whole thing collapse on itself.

wow who knew electing a notoriously shitty negotiator president to spearhead healthcare would be a shit move

who could have seen this coming

They used trashing obamacare a lot to get elected?

They definitely are going to be so happy to replace it with Trumpcare and then get killed by Dems.

The secret?
Healthcare in USA is dogshit and incredibly over-priced. That won't change in time for Trump or republicans to win in the next 2 elections if they put their stamp on it.

The best win is to leave the democrat stamp on healthcare but pretend you tried to put yours on it. Afterwards all republicans have to do is pass some pharma changes to lower drug prices and they win 2018 and 2020 elections.

The only thing I have against leaving ObamaCare in place to fail is that many people are going to feel betrayed and feel as if Trump and the Republicans couldn't carry out probably their most single important promise.

I would be willing to wait but I don't know if everybody else will.

It's not going to pass.

Trump wants tax changes and one-shot infrastructure spending

Those are popular. Healthcare changes are a death trap politically.

Take the loss on healthcare reform, win everywhere else. That is Trump's best strategy.

Healthcare is a hot potato made of lava.

Realpolitik

It's going to suck for America, but it's better than letting commies win the war. Let obamacare explode in Dem's hands.

He can recover by taking the Randpill

I'll hope for the best, hoping that Trump's achievements in other places will overshadow the initial healthcare shitshow

It was never Trump's bill to begin with Samauri Shill

Rand's plan wouldn't pass either.

It's better to be one and none. Then move on to tax and infrastructure.

The real problem is that the republicans in congress are low IQ and dumb. Meaning they won't go along with good overall plans and are more likely to blow themselves up thinking they are being "pure".

Rand Pauls plan has 0% chance. There is nothing stopping any other plan from being passed except if it can pass. Trump doesn't determine bills, he can only cheer them on.

The other "great" plans are just imaginary shit from retards jerking themselves off.

you mean ryan's
4d chess to remove ryan

>It was merely a ruse!

>1 post by this fucking id

Now. this is second post.
are you okay?

Governing is hard. :(

I don't want to make hard decisions. :(

I'll just do easy things and hope no one notices. :(

Keep kicking that can down the road, I'm sure by the time the Democrats take back over people like you will be asking why they aren't fixing the broken health care situation.

>Vote for me, I'll actually do something this time! Honest!

You need to stop asking questions and start doing your math homework

It's not his and the bill is total shit.

There is no reason to rush to sign something just as bad or worse.

The government has no business interfering with healthcare. We got along fine before AHCA. People need to work independently outside of government to try and solve problems like affordable healthcare if people are so desperate. Things like charities and private healthcare pools. Hell, Texas has a state pool and it works great.

w-why do you know that I have to do math homework???

Are you tracking my IP or something?

If Trump started cheerleaders and the media doesn't attack his plan as bad as they attacked Ryancare it could pass.
Republicanso voted no on ryancare because they're worried about their favorbility.

>We got along fine before AHCA.

I loved being able to deny people because of a preexisting condition and millions without health insurance. Was a golden age.

>Hell, Texas has a state pool and it works great.

The state with the highest uninsured rate? Yeah, seems to work great for them.

You have to actually try thinking over 10 year periods. Healthcare is the worst current system in America. Republicans touching it this early is a death wish.

It's far better strategically to address it in 2021 and focus on everything else in government until 2020.

Obamacare will collapse on it's own and republicans can begin to trim around the edges and do other things. Now. Republicans aren't very intelligent especially the politicians, but they have no chance of touching obamacare this year and surviving.

I post on pol every now and then and it always resets even if I have an official Sup Forums cuck stamp.

Yes i am the infamous hacker named Sup Forums

The USA healthcare system was the worst in the world relatively. HIghest costs, worst outcomes, etc.

You're a fucking idiot who never saw a single study or looked at data on it. Saying it was good is a fucking joke. It's shit before and was shit after. It will be shit after any republican changes because they are low IQ too.

The best option is to not put your stupid hands on it.

4d

rand paul's plan removes pre-existing conditions protections

You will lose every election.

That is election cancer.

Hit me up with a source dog

hes using it to crush that faggot paul ryan, if it doesnt pass its his fault, if it fails its still his fault. win win either way.

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Strategically? How about just fucking doing your jobs. I don't give a fuck about these assholes, I want them to fix problems.

>Oh, but if we just wait maybe we'll be able to fix it in the future, we need to think about ourselves first!!!

Christ almighty. Take that government dick harder buddy. These people work for us, we're not their god damn red headed step child to be shoved in a closet until it's convenient for them to do something.

That would easily be negotiatedone out, his biggest thing is the group plans.

The thing is they won't fix healthcare.

It will just have their names on it and some slight changes.

None of these changes are fixes in any meaningful way.

> worst outcomes
That's just laughably wrong. There's a reason other people come here for Healthcare. The reason we have lower lifespans is because we're fat.

Not an argument and just wrong, think about what you said.

Good meme!


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There is a reason. They aren't going to your local hospital you stupid fuck.

They are rich people going to the highest end surgeons in the world.

That has nothing to do with average care.

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Then why have they been shitting on Obamacare for eight years? No plan of their own? Nothing better? And now we're just supposed to wait while they think of something better? Fuck. Off. These people are elected to lead, to make and pass legislation that makes our lives better. They can't do that they need to take up a job handing out fries at the drive through window.

horrible website

not a single table

So instead of defending these mental gymnastics in which one sticks their head firmly up their ass, you point out the opposition and say that they do it as well? So what, that makes it acceptable?

We have the shortest waiting lists and best care. I don't know where you're getting your memes from.

They're not nazi tripfags

So they're better than you

Nah, I think my points stand pretty well on their own. Yours on the other hand...oh wait you didn't make a point. Oh well, so much for spirited debate.

Wow! You clicked every link and read every single article and looked at all the statistics and sources!?

Fucking pathetic, good job shit head.

>Trump's health care bill will be rejected

Here is a pro tip.

Politicians are generally fucking dumb lawyers. Would you hire a lawyer to design your company structure? They have no ability to fix the problem because they are fucking retards and doing things by committee is inefficient.

You are blue pilled as fuck if you think politicians are intelligent and not just shills.

Actually fixing USA healthcare requires a structural rework at every fucking level. From how credentials work, to the legal regulations, etc.

These are merely partisan arguments over how the input resources (money) is handled, not how the machine functions. There is no fix from this avenue and with their thought patterns.

You cant negotiate with people who wont listen

How does it feel being handicapped? Don't you wish you could actually perceive reality instead of thinking it's bullshit? What else is bullshit because you can't comprehend it?

Fucking cuck.

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What is the difference in GDP% spending on healthcare between USA, CANADA, and UK?

What about difference in GDP per capita?

USA system is fucking shit. The waiting times are not demonstrably different.

>You cant negotiate with people who wont listen

Who is that? It is Republicans all the way.

How the fuck hasn't Trump been impeached already? This sort of nonsense would not fly in any other western country.

>Muslim deal rejected
>healthcare deal rejected
Only success he has had is because Trudeau threw him a bone with the Keystone pipeline.

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you can tell when someone is a paid propagandist as they can't detect the levels of irony abundant here

>the people who write and pass legislation have no ability to fix the problem

Bullshit of the highest caliber. They have every resource available to them to do something if they really wanted to. Could listen to every expert, bring in every major player to help...if they really wanted to.

He shamed Ryan into a massive fail. Then we get a new speaker 33D CHESS

working great

>Trump's health care bill
There is no such thing.

There's that cuck Ryan's bill, and the current Obamacare.

Don't fucking care.

Build the Wall, deport scum, stop hostile invaders.

Fucking fighting over government healthcare is so 1950s - regardless of who wins that fight the U.S. is going to collapse anyway. Trump getting involved in healthcare will do fuck all for our people in the medium/long term. Trump going all in on immigration on the other hand will help slow the growth of parasitic enemy demographics within American borders.

Who the fuck would pay anyone to go to pol to shill? If I wanted to shill I'd shill on plebbit and facebook, shilling on pol is like advocating for atheism in the vatican state.

Government should not interfere with private business, forcing them to operate based on their whim. Your response was an emotional comment about preexisting conditions. A business has the right to refuse people. People made the choice to rely on insurance instead of creating alternatives. To expect companies that are in business to make money to bend to the whim of the state at gunpoint is immoral. People do not have a right to insurance. Insurance a commodity.

A state not having a high number of insured people is not evidence of private pools not working. Nor is it reflective of quality/price of insurance or reasons people choose to not have insurance. People not having insurance is not an argument to dispute the effectiveness of a private or state run pool.

Try again sweetie.

A single chart not from the site. Good one! That really disputes the fact you didn't read the entire website.

Get a clue.

I disagree with what you say, but fuck you.

Ability
possession of the means or skill to do something.
talent, skill, or proficiency in a particular area.

I didn't mean they didn't have the legislative or oversight power to fix it. I meant that they literally don't have the personal skills or personal abilities to fix it. Any plan they come up with is going to be relatively awful because ZERO of them have the capability of designing a good healthcare system for a country and managing that complexity.

All their little low IQ brains think about is how to handle funding the bloated and shitty healthcare system. Not how to actually make it more efficient or fix it's problems.

>GDP

Incredible

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