HOW BAD IS TRUMPCARE REALLY? JUST TELL ME ALREADY

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There's no such thing as Trumpcare. He can't get the votes!

it's bad

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RyanCare is pretty shit, but luckily it isn't going to past

Everytime I see people bitching about something they never explain specifically what they don't like about it.

Generally speaking this is how a shill operates, they only post about one or two sentences, generally strawmen about something they don't like and never explain or respond. In the off chance they do respond it's a stupid fucking question changing the subject or not answering the post

Lol, it's Trumpcare buddy.

Only democrats ALWAYS make it about the person and not the content of the law. It's ridiculous and shows how fascist they are.

i don't give a fuck what the name is, what specifically does the bill do? Everytime you look this up google is flooded by morons and their blogs as if you care about their opinion. But the google shills want you to visit their pages for ad revenue

It's neither shills.

We never should have gave him the nuclear codes.

>HOW BAD IS TRUMPCARE REALLY?

Trump took a dump and the dump became Trump.

Voted for a con man

2008, 2012, 2016

I'm a fucking idiot

surely the age old tactic of calling people names will fool those un-skeptical drumpfkins!
>what lefties actually believe

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Didnt the GOP force the term ObamacaRe?

>Canadian
Turn on your proxy Trudeau shill

We haven't seen TrumpCare yet

Just RyanCare which was gay and jewish

No that was the Democrat's name for it. Leader cult and everything.

As I said, not the content is important, the name is.

So what happens when Ryan care doesn't pass what is Trump's plan

Not that long ago after I hit my bong I thought about how the universal healthcare plan would affect everyone. And I started thinking don't you think in the future there will be a single race in this world?

It makes sense if you think about it because with the new health plan they will know everything about everyone than ever before. They will be able to figure our the general populations weaknesses and wipe off blacks jews chinks and mexicans. It would be fucking great if that were to happen imagine if they just reconstruct the world again with the new universal policy? Fuck yeah can't wait to see what Trump will do

>ObamacaRe
theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/who-coined-obamacare/335745/

He hasn't revealed his plan yet

It has everything bad about Obamacare along with a few extra bad things, but then it also drops some of the good things.

Basically, be prepared to pay more and get less, with no option not to participate.

It even lets full-time employers stop providing healthcare.

It's not Trumpcare it's Ryan care. The media are labelling it Trump care even though he had no input so that when it fails they can pin it on him. Trump isn't even trying to get it passed.

Wish we could smoke together brother

>b-b-b-UT it's Ryancare

Trump's been shilling for this shit just as hard as cuck Ryan.

It's not terrible, but that's because it's only 1/3 done
this is the first of multiple parts.
We wont know how good or bad it is until at least part 2 is pitched.

Daily reminder we're less than 4 months into the 4 year term, they can't keep rejecting everything forever and Trump is shitting these out like there is no tomorrow

luckily for Mexicans there isn't one, but I think he's putting out these poorly executed orders and bills so quickly to prove that he is following through with his campaign promises. I wouldn't be surprised if 1-2 years down the road there are significantly better and more refined bills being passed. On top of this, lefties can't keep rejecting these forever. They're only being so successful because they're riding the backlash wave immediately after the election. Once things die down (if they do) I doubt there will be much resistance.

the main points are:
-repeal of the individual mandate
-exchanging subsidies for tax breaks
-repeal of Essential Health Benefits - regulations that force health plans to cover mental, rehabilitative, and maternal care

It leaves in place the ban on assessing pre-existing conditions.

Is it bad? It's probably bad for 90% of the people on this board since most ppl are libertarian purists. The left doesn't like it because it weakens the extent to which everyone's tax dollars covers everyone's healthcare.

All those pro nazi allegations that were going on makes sense that he would try to do something like that. Why hasn't there ever been just one single race? Fuck humanity.

Don't know. I hope he has someone damn good working on it though.

It needs to make it easier to become a doctor, remove regulations, lower drug costs, lower insurance costs, deport illegals that use the ER, given incentive to stay healthy.

It's got to pass despite extremely heavy lobbying, so it's got to be a public bill. If the bill is not extremely public it's shit, meaning Ryancare is shit.

This isn't really the case since it's republicans who don't like the bill who will likely/possibly cause it to not pass. There might be a theoretical bill that makes everyone happy, but from what it looks like now, making the bill more about repeal and less about replace would alienate establishment republicans who know that their governors like Medicaid. Keep in mind also that Senators are keeping hush right now about whether they support the bill (many of them are hoping that it doesnt pass so that they dont have to be explicit about their support or rejection)

>I hope he has someone damn good working on it though
Well it's certainly not Tom Price (HHS). He is seemingly a supporter of AHCA as written. And he's heavily involved with the healthcare industry.

LEARN TO RECOGNIZE SHILLS.

The bill currently being voted on cuts funding for obamacare. Because it's a budget and not actual legislation it only needs 50 + Pence or 51 votes to pass.

The second part of the Trump plan is to use the Department of HHS to dismantle Obamacare.

The 3rd and ultimate part is to pass Randcare (which is actual legislation that requires 60 votes to pass) that actually fixes the system and repeals the legislation of obamacare

HOUSE IN RECESS, CLOSED DOOR MEETING, NO VOTE YET, LAST ATTEMPT TO SWING FREEDOM CAUCUSERS

It's shit, he wanted it to fail though.

This was just his way of extending a branch to Ryan, though he never intended on passing it.

its a little bit better than obamacare.

randcare is optimal.

So trump basically said "vote on it now"? How did he force this?

I wasn't paying attention.

Shareblue shilling this one aint gunna work, everyone hates this bill and wants it to die. Not that your shilling usually works but this is especially ineffective

THEY PULLED IT LOLLLL

You want the real talk? The truth?

It's not a healthcare bill. It is a tax cut shaped like one. They did this on purpose (I'm serious, that's why they can pass it with a simple majority, it's structured as such to allow this)

>Pro: Tax cut/removal of mandate offsets losses in healthcare subsidies for those making above ~100k

That's what the republicans like

>Cons: Literally no health professionals/health policy people endorse it

>Premiums continue to go up, especially for Trump's demographic that voted for him

>Overall coverage goes down, and not is much is covered

>Preventative care is more expensive

>Millions lose insurance

Republicans kinda fucked themselves over with making healthcare their big issue. The problem is, the majority of the country wants healthcare assistance/insurance. Almost all of the Republican talking points are against the concept of insurance in general

>"Why should I pay for X coverage?" "Healthy people shouldn't have to pay for sick people" (literal talking points from congressmen I've heard)

Y'know... just like how people who don't get in car accidents pay for the accidents covered by car insurance. Or any type of insurance. That's how it works.

Republicans want it to go back to the way it was, but the law requiring us to provide service in ERs/etc. to anyone who is brought in regardless of ability to pay makes it too expensive. Insurance was a mess before Obamacare too.

>the pulled the bill
he literally cannot handle failure.

Would be nice if people were more concerned about doing their fucking job and keeping the country functioning optimally and less focused on whether or not they will remain in office

>So trump basically said "vote on it now"? How did he force this?

Yes, he said vote on it or I'm moving on.

He's not doing the 2 and a half year quagmire that Obama did.

Get the tax cuts.

Let Obamacare implode on its own.

Tell people that Congress fucked up the fix.

Elect new Speaker of the House, and new Congressman from wherever the fuck Eddie Munster's from.

what even is it?
how is it better than obamacare?
the only real complaint I've heard about obamacare is MUH TAXES, which isn't a real reason.

We really need term limits.

Either this passes or Trump can use the failure of the bill to claim that current members of congress aren't interested in protecting people from government intervention in their health care.

problem is trump promised his voters to get rid of obamacare and he told the world he is a person to close deals and fails his very first one.

how does he plan to get his wall and tax reform?

Lol Trump is such a shit President
#ArtOfTheDeal
He folds 30 min before vote
#Cuck

No it isn't. ACA was called Obamacare because Obama was actually involved in craftingt he bill to a degree. This was a shit test by Trump to see if he could work with Ryan.

Good, that's how Obamacare got to be 10,000 pages. I see the shills are trying to paint this as trump's bill and trump's failure, when it is really trump calling GOPe's bluff and catching them with their pants down.

>The problem is, the majority of the country wants healthcare assistance/insurance
The "majority" also "voted for clinton".

> Almost all of the Republican talking points are against the concept of insurance in general
Wtf are you talking about? Trump made a big point about buying insurance across state lines. He never wanted to cut it. He wants to get the government out of it. Republicans are generally also in favor of not using insurance for regular checkups, like how you do car insurance.

It's ryancare.

>he told the world he is a person to close deals and fails his very first one.
it's like you never read "art of the deal"

Trump deserves to have his name attached to a bill he didn't design, but supported %100 even though he obviously didn't read the fucking thing.
Trump got cucked, plain and simple.

it turned into trumpcare when trump made it personal and everybody voting against it is would be a traitor

Hehe Clinton is the truth, Trump lets

how does he plan to get his tax reform and wall after this?
every republican agreed that obamacare needs to be gone and he still couldnt gather the votes.

Why should employers have to offer health insurance if they don't want to or need to? Why cant you be responsible for yourself?

The wall is relatively simple, low cost infrastructure. It's inappropriate to compare to healthcare.

You aren't even american, or you are literally retarded baka

>falling for the "across state lines" myth

Six states already allow for this specifically, and it isn't barred by the federal government. Anyone could do it if they wanted.

Among those six states, not a single plan is intrastate. Why? Because it doesn't actually work out financially. Doctor networks are hard to break into, and out of state programs don't want to invest into the legwork that would require.

I'll sum it up for you: selling across state lines is already an option. No one is biting.

Source: Medical professional.

Also, work based insurance PUSHES people to get regular check ups. Preventative care is waaaaaay cheaper than dealing with preventable catastrophic care.

>wtf are you talking about?
Go watch Ryans powerpoint presentation. He straight up questions why healthy people should pay for sick people.

I guess the other answer is:

So bad that the Republicans couldn't pass it, even with the Presidency and majorities in both the House and Senate

Sucker got pulled

>He straight up questions why healthy people should pay for sick people.
You're talking about socialism, not insurance.

People who actively stay healthy shouldn't pay for fat slobs, junkies, etc. Obamacare made it illegal to price based on bad habits (except smoking).

>>falling for the "across state lines" myth
You deliberately missed the point.

>Source: Medical professional.
If that's even true, I have less reason to listen to you.

This is masterful 4d chess, Trump calculated this from day one.