I've redrawn the Balkans to make them great again. Here is what I've done:
>Remove fake countries like FYROM, Albania and Kosovo >Remove Serbian troublemakers >Give Bosnia, Kosovo, Serbia to Croatia >Give Macedonia, Albania and Eastern Thrace to Bulgaria >Give Constantinople and all of Western Turkey to Greece >Romania and Hungary stay as they are, though I would look into giving Northwest Romania to Hungary
What does this accomplish?
>The three greats of the Balkans, Bulgaria, Croatia and Greece, are on equal footing >No more stupidity like Macedonian question or Greater Albania >No more retarded serbs >Basically, everybody is happy
>Give Constantinople ... to Greece >pic You sure about that?
Xavier Bell
>Balkans Literally the sex problem of Russia. Russians girl go for sex tours there, a lot of international Balkan students take Russian women, a lot of kids from them.
Benjamin Phillips
You forget the part where they don't agree on 3 sets of issues and decide to kill one another.
Ryan Ward
Yes. Constantinople is East of the Bosphorus.
David Richardson
I forgot to mention that I have also given Slovenia to Croatia
Leo Scott
Maybe because Russian men aren't fucking them well enough? Is it possible Balkan men fuck and eat pussy much better?
Bentley Adams
Thought about that, but I am positive this will satisfy them all.
>Bulgaria gets their province of Macedonia, an outlet to the Adriatic and land in East Thrace >Greece gets Constantinople back and land they lost to Roachland >Croats get basically all of Yugoslavia
Literally everyone is happy. And on equal footing.
Lucas Bennett
I think its possible to be god but its going to depend on how each subculture views the "overlord" culture. If you could match the sub cultures to an overlord they like it could work. The last thing we need is another Serbia - Kosovo situation.
James Evans
Transylvania better be part of Hungary or I'm gonna be pretty mad.
Dylan Gonzalez
Sure, give Transylvania to Hungary. Give Romania's coast to Bulgaria as well. Fuck Romania lol
Colton Barnes
Well, Macedonians are Bulgarians, for example, so that won't be a problem. Same language, culture and genetics. Same goes for Croatia and Yugoslavia.
Turks and Albos will be a problem - they may need to be genocided if hardcore propaganda doesn't work.
Blake Ramirez
Not too educated on Balkan politics however keeping Walachia in Romania is a safe bet. My only concern is how big Serbia is reminds me too much of Yugoslavia. That being said Bosnia and Herzegovina can live with the Serbs no problem and you could probably convince the Croats to shut up and go run around with whoever the heck is up there with them. Seems like it would work however you do have the major Muslim population in Turkey that would have to bet dealt with when concerning Eastern Orthodox Christians.
Mason Garcia
> Croatia where Croats are minority
Zachary Johnson
There is no Serbia. Croatia will rule the land, as Serbs are idiots.
Blake Wright
Southern half of Albania is rightful Greek land (Epirus). Also, the red protruding Greece literally contains Constaninople, so I don't know what you were trying to accomplish with that. Change these and the map is more or less accurate.
Jordan Davis
Croatia census 2011: Croatians make up 90.42% of the population. Try again serbshit.
Lincoln Brooks
No. Constantinople is west of the bosphorus. I have given Greece Constantinople and half of Turkey. They will be happy.
And saying Albania is rightfully Greek is not an argument. Pic related is a map of Europe in 1000AD - that land has switched hands a lot is my point. If Greece were to get Albania it would be too lopsided.
John Harris
Sorry thought that was the Serbs flag. Fair statement, yeah defiantly has potential to work now that it has people who won't actually ruin everything they get their hands on running it.
Ryan Morgan
I mean to say EAST of the bosphorus, not west.
Xavier Green
Who the fuck wants Albania
Thomas Carter
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Josiah Clark
ma sve je to srbija
Kayden Fisher
I don't think Bulgaria was never that far into Greece, where did you get that map? And of course lands are switched but the southern part of modern day Albania was Greek since ancient times it doesn't make sense to give it to Bulgaria + Bulgaria has a really nice piece of land even with the minor exceptions I pointed out in the previous post. I love Bulgaria.
Lucas Ross
>eat pussy well if they're gonna be cucks then they can keep the women
Kevin Martin
ma svi ste vi nemci 3000 evra i tehnologija i sva ta sranja autobanovi, master rasa, alfa muskarci, regionalna sila 250 podmornica, 17 nosaca aviona, 125 razaraca, 450 000 marinaca 170 000 super psyop tehno specijalne hakerske jedinice
Asher Barnes
No, we don't need Serbs again. Serbs are fucking idiots who shouldn't rule. Just looking at your mom proves to me how idiotic serbs are. The whole idea is to make countries relatively equal in size.
Ayden King
oy vey
Oliver Butler
MAP* not mom. But I guess mom as well.
John Rogers
you've lost merchant
Andrew Rodriguez
I'm totally fine with giving all of Albania to Greece, but then Bulgaria would need to take some Aegean land from Greece. It needs to be equal so there are no conflicts. But yes I do agree that giving Albania to Greece and giving Bulgaria more Aegean land instead is probably more proper.
I found the map just by typing Europe 1000 AD into google. The maps do differ a bit. I've attached another one from 1000AD.
And yeah I love Bulgaria as well, fucking loved it when I was there. Bulgaria, Croatia and Greece are absolutely the best countries of the Balkans.
merchant the only thing you'll be giving are credit release forms from IMF and WB because soon no one will be willing to pay for the kike ponzy schemes
Luke Wilson
After the serbs they are #2 in population in the entire blue region. But absolutely no way we are putting serbshits in control of the land.
Jackson Nguyen
This is an awful map Kill yourself OP
Oliver Flores
I'm being nice to Greece actually. They'd probably have to give up land to repay debts.
Nolan Baker
no they're not
the albanians are
croats as an independent nation exists for only 27 years
albanians are artificial meme nation made up from goatfucking tribe cavemens in order to serve geopolitical interests of the germans and later usa
and both of them can't wipe their ass without significant german and nato help
Christopher Morgan
>implying anyone will be returning those shits the kikes got kiked soon no one will be returning shekels OY VEY
also Germany still owes 370 billions of dollars for the WW2 damages that it never paid
Hunter Green
I'd rather put fake Albos in charge rather than serbshits desu. But it will be Croatia controlling the land. Croatia is simply the superior nation. As are Greece and Bulgaria.
Jose Powell
That doesn't mean much when you're giving lands to T*tars and Crorats, not to mention Eastern Thrace Bulgarians lost it because they were retarded, they shouldn't get it back
Dumb leaf
Isaac Gray
>I would look into giving Northwest Romania to Hungary
Come and take it
Jonathan Cox
>Croatia is simply the superior nation. >exists for 27 years >can't fart without german aproval >lives from sucking german cock and hunting tuna >can't fight, won't fight, doesn't know how to fight, doesn't have the morale to fight, always on the wrong side of history, doesn't have the arnaments nor resources to fight >entire nation existance is entangled with the coastline
John King
You guys are the Turks of the Balkans desu, don't be so nasty, roach.
That's like saying Greece lost Constantinople because they were dumb so they shouldn't have it back. Are you fucking retarded? I could even wipe Greece off the map as the Byzantine Empire was ROME not Greece.
This map is the ideal Balkans. Period. Now pay back your debts you broke faggot.
Grayson Garcia
It would be taken in literally hours. Romania is very weak.
Ian Anderson
Lmao. Serbshits jealous of superior Croatia. Typical.
Christian Stewart
I'm totally ok with this, except Bulgaria should also get Northern Dobruja back from the Gyppos.
Julian Ramirez
As compared to Hungary? It would be a walk in the park to Budapest, just like last time.
Joshua Bell
lmao
im laffin schlomo
Owen Rivera
We lost Constantinople due to Crusaders and numerically superior Turkish forces Bulgarians lost Eastern Thrace because they declared war against 2 countries and left their borders undefended on the other side Bulgars are beyond retarded
Liam Harris
>I'm totally ok with this, except Bulgaria should also get Northern Dobruja back from the Gyppos. i do hope that you're inteligent enough to understand that he's race baiting
Jaxson Peterson
Also, I'm pretty sure it was lost because the Greeks and Serbs teamed up with Muslim roaches to take it back. Pathetic moment in Balkan history. Shame on Greeks in Serbs.
Greeks are still better than Serbs,, but this act absolutely lowers them in my eyes.
Looks good. I fucking hate Serbophiles so I'm going to use this map to trigger them.
Nathan Miller
West. not east. it has never been east. Constantinople is a city built between the Golden Horn and the sea.
Adam Torres
Use it as you please brother
Jackson King
Yeah I'm Greek. I think your map is perfectly fine with the exception of Epirus really (It's not that large it's just like 30-35% from south to north), the piece of Turkey in between Bulgaria and Turkey should be Greek too but I think I would still be ok with the map with just the exception of the islands. If you then take a piece of eastern Croatia in your map I think the map would be perfect and the land would still be evenly distributed if you wanted it to be.
I don't think the countries should have equal amount of land, but there is so many non-countries like FYROM that it would actually work out.
Oliver Watson
THIS
Owen Gray
We did not team up with them Bulgarians declared war against us and Turks found an undefended border ofc they'd take the chance
Justin Stewart
Is that how Romania gets it name? I know that gypsies are known as Romani people... but I never realized that Romania was founded by gypsies.
I am 100% for giving Northern Dobroja to Bulgaria. It's a superior country IMO
Connor Phillips
>Northwest Romania to Hungary
a region with an overwhelming romanian majority, good thought-process leaf
Matthew Gomez
>Yeah I'm Greek. I think your map is perfectly fine >Yeah I'm Greek >hates Serbs You're not Greek
Chase Turner
Thanks for your input. As I said, the goal of the map is to have the countries equally powerful in terms of landmass. I'm sure both countries have a claim to the land. I've done it as fair as possible I think.
Logan Young
he's race baiting kike or a shitskin
Christopher Miller
I mean, if you like Croats You're kinda fucked in the head anyways Pay no mind to him
Levi Cruz
This is true
nvm you actually are retarded
Connor Ward
>it's another 14 year old autists have fantasies about splitting up clay thread
Meanwhile this actually happened And not only did it happen, it happened for 500+ years And now you argue over who gets to keep their leftovers.
Pitiful.
Nicholas Sanchez
>all that clay I'm going to build McDonalds and Starbucks everywhere
Grayson Cruz
>An empire How unheard of
Jayden Campbell
Except that it was the Bulgarian Empire that severely weakened the Crusaders (Latin Empire) and allowed Byzantines to retake Constantinople.
And you really should not be talking considering you made an alliance with Roachland, serbshit.
Noah Sanchez
today turkey is a new balkan waiting to happen
Austin Nguyen
That land is Hungarian, not Romanian.
Noah Hernandez
You got it wrong It was the Bulgarians who were teaming up with the Crusaders at first, but they eventually allied with the Nicean Empire so that they could get more lands You know how easier that conflict could've been resolved had Bulgarians not declared their independence?
Asher Evans
He's just not an idiot. If you don't hate serbs, you are a fucking idiot.
Andrew Hall
>and allowed Byzantines to retake Constantinople. WAT >made an alliance with Roachland, serbshit. literally WAT
Mason Brown
I know, and I'm telling you that it doesn't make sense to equally split the landmass when specific regions are explicitly Greek/Serbian/Bulgarian/Croatian etc.
Cameron Sanders
But, I mean, it's not. Serbs went back on pre war agreements and backstabbed. They then got the Greeks and fucking ROACH MUSLIMS to join them. Disgusting period in Balkan history on the part of the serbs and greeks.
Aiden Cruz
How can I hate Serbs when I'm a Greek They're our best friends in the entire globe
"We have only God and the Greeks on our side." - Radovan Karadzic
Sebastian Price
Yup, Turkey is getting their just desserts. They are beyond fucked. It will be split in 3 within the decade.
Leo Butler
I think that is why Balkanoids are always mad and arguing. They just can't get over the fact they were ruled and dominated by Turks. TURKS of all people. Not Romans, not Anglos, but fucking Turks. The lowest class of subhuman.
Shit if I knew my country was a slave to the Turks for pretty much 2/3 of the time it existed I'd be pissed off and fighting all the time too. It must do terrible things to the nationalist psyche.
Eli Brooks
I don't hate serbs though lol, I only really hate roaches. I would say I hate fyromians but it's a kind of pity I have with them for pathetically LARPing as Greeks.
Charles Johnson
you dodge the oven for too long
vise nations learn from their mistakes
you? you've been kicked around for centuries and expelled from 173 country
soon you'll loose that desert shithole you call prommised land
no more host for you to leach schylok
Charles Ramirez
Good thing Roaches weren't smart enough to assimilate them. A beautiful, European population becoming Roached... that would have been terrible.
William Kelly
Again, you got it wrong Serbians were supposed to get Adriatic lands, but the dickhole Austrians forced Albania to become a thing, the Bulgarians were supposed to give at least 100.000 troops in order to guarantee those lands, but the Serbs eventually got Paeonia/Vardarska as a result Had Bulgarians been true to their word they wouldn't have been "backstabbed" >They then got the Greeks They warred against us on the same day, no official declaration because Bulgarians are pussies >got fucking ROACH MUSLIMS to join them They didn't Those Roach muslims attacked Bulgaria on their own But I know of a country that OFFICIALLY allied with the Turks
Michael Price
there is a reason we call them roaches
they had VASTLY OVERNUMBERED ZERG RUSH SUPERIOR numbers that our nations pale to comparison
and only because of the brute force of huge number they managed to conquer balkan after 134 years of fighting aggainst them
It literally doesn't matter aside from the land they took. The exodus got rid of the Turks/Turkified-Greeks so apart from the land there is nothing to argue about. I've only ever seen roaches actually get mad on here out of jealousy of the Balkans.
Ryan Allen
bulgarians backstabbed and declared war on their previous allies then they got butt raped by romania, serbia, greece and turkey and lost huge chunks of land
Dominic Perry
Pretty sure they became independent much before the Crusaders came. Also, they were under Byzantine rule for only about 70 years. I also know that Bulgaria was able to capture the fucking Latin emperor, and a Byzantine emperor as well. Fucking boss. Turned their skulls into gold wine drinking glasses too.
And the Bulgarian Emperor at the time was Krum, the guy from Harry Potter lol. Balkan history is seriously the best there is.
Grayson Ortiz
Dude come on, I have nothing against Bulgaria but this is wrong. read the other replies.
Jayden Jones
No he wasn't It was the Asen brothers You're really retarded, aren't you Krum was a Turkic Bulgar and that was WAAAAAAAAAY before Crusaders were even a thing
>day of the rake when
Angel Carter
>Ancient Greece formed in like 2000BC >Bulgaria formed in 681AD >Croatia in 925AD >2/3 of the time.
Fucking idiot. The Ottoman empire was strong. But I bet their combined hate for the Turks unites them. And the fact that they fought the muslim roaches back is awesome.
Joshua Gonzalez
you welcome helenbro
you ready for the europe civil war
we should split albania and remove albozergs
Noah Phillips
Agreed or we could make a Greek-Serbian Federation I think it'd work
Cooper Green
Well of course roaches are worse than serbs. But serbs are still shit.
And yes, Macedonians are brainwashed Bulgarians. But why hate them? You Greeks get so butthurt. Just laugh - no one takes them serious.
Logan Turner
The best Balkans prove me wrong
Alexander Nguyen
We don't hate Fyromians In fact, Serbian rule made them good guys I hate Tatars more
Cooper Mitchell
Bulgaria had the largest army AND gave the most blood against the turks. Backstabbing them was pathetic, pathetic, pathetic by the Greeks and Serbs.
Benjamin Scott
They wouldn't have done shit without our navy AND They wouldn't have gotten Adrianople had it not been for the Serbs
Them backstabbing us was pathetic The could've not declared war
Charles Edwards
Krum was the one that killed Nikephoros I you fucking moron.
Yes, the wars against the Latin Empire was Ivan Asen II I believe.