Is abstaining from sex in a sex-obsessed culture really worth it?
Is there a net-positive effect for society if people abstain from sex until they're in a steady relationship or married, or is it just a self-congratulatory practice that leads to one missing out?
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Masturbate and afterwards immediately start thinking about this again. Yes.
a positive would be that your relationship wouldn't be lust driven and therefore the risk of a divorce would be smaller
Like you have a choice.
you should abstain from porn
Why?
it fucks up your brain
How?
dammit I wasn't prepared for all these questions
You'd tend to expect all sex to be like you saw in whatever kind of porn you watch, conditioning yourself to be disappointed and never satisfied if real life sex wasn't as good as you imagined/watched.
just buy a vr headset and watch VR porn
...
What if the only porn you can get off to anymore is simple nudies in tasteful poses?
It depends on how your fantasy compares to reality.
I actually prefer fapping to imagination
Wow. Best write up on this I've seen in a while.
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Yes, makes sex much better when it's with your now married wife.
And before some one goes 'muh experience': You're brain won't be thinking 'gee I hope I'm ready for this' when you see your wife naked in front of you. Your experience will be the last thing on your mind in that moment.
Women need to abstain from sex more than men, riding the cock carousal absolutely ruins them
It's a self discipline issue, but also a self-worth one too. If you keep trying to find your worth in fucking women they will be in control of your worth rather then your self being in control of that.
Only for clammos
I am doing it and don't feel I missed anything yet.
I would tell you if it was worth it once I am married, but that's still another few months so...
What I can tell you is that almost all of my friends who at least fuck often and with whomever passes by, basically, at some point realised that it does actually make them feel worse.
Can't give you any insight on how it works if you have just one partner but don't wait for marriage.
Casual sex is like doing drugs. Can you handle casual weed, alcohol, or cocaine use?
bump for this
Sex with anyone besides your own mother is degenerate
no
>giving a shit what happens to consumer cattle brains
Fuck off
>tfw I mainly hang out with girls
>tfw I had multiple chances with girls
>tfw I got asked by a girl from work to hang out with her and another girl from work
>tfw I have anxiety and scared I will disappoint girls in bed
>tfw still virgin
Technical virgin here. I'm 3 months out from being a wizard and I can tell you that as soon as you give up on women your whole life will change. Once you allow yourself to focus on YOU entirely you'll begin seeing humor in every social situation.
You'll see women for being what they truly are...the greatest show on Earth.
There are women out there who are inline with you. They are also working on becoming as you put it, wizards. They are very rare but they can be a useful and great partner if you are on the same page. Very rare.
>Once you allow yourself to focus on YOU entirely
The lefties focus only on themselves. True happiness is raising a family with the love of your life. You may argue with that now, but one day you'll know I'm right.
Then you realize your wife has fucked 5 other dudes before you, and doesn't give two shits about you waiting for her.
Sucks to be you.
>be good looking fit guy
>awkward as fuck sober
>charming as fuck when drunk
>get whiskydick
>tfw the point when I become a charming motherfucker is the point where my dick stops working
Life is suffering
If I could find a nerdy young adult like myself who focused on her career I'd snatch her up in a heartbeat. I don't know why but I find some of the same traits attractive in women that women find attractive in men...educated, clean criminal history, career oriented, etc...
>That episode of Black Mirror where the beautiful talented singer gets exploited for BLACKED porn.
God damn that show is so meta it hurts.
There are women who are like that out there. You shouldn't write everyone off completely. Best of luck user.
No porn and no jacking here.
I did get my dick sucked recently by heavy girl I met online though.
Episode please?
The second one. Seriously man, be the change you want to see and whatever but nobody else is going to see or care. You can indeed fuck around and still settle down well enough. You personally. Don't expect it out of other people.
its the second episode of season one of black mirror
You shouldn't abstain from sex. You should get married and fuck your wife silly and make her pregnant with many white children.
This. Are you doing your part?
I'm a lost cause. I contribute to the cause by lowering the number of shitskins.
No you're not. Not until you're dead. Get to it.
Virgin confirmed.
If I perforate two of the enemy I will have made up for the difference for my not breeding.
Unless it's tied to a practice of austerities designed to help one on a path to spiritual awakening, it's a complete waste of time and probably unhealthy. Just like veganism.
They breed more than us. It would need to be an entire family, not two.
Sorry, I'm not religious and that's pretty much the only shot you can have at finding a decent girl.
That's a very healthy combination of optimism and logic.
>Niggers live like shit because they breed irresponsibly
>Surely breeding irresponsibly will save the white race!
Most young whites are hysterical SJW faggots that worship nigger "culture". Quality, not quantity.
Which part of my post said irresponsibly? Are you suggesting white men not breed? Or betray their race? Fuck off kike.
Women are like dogs, there are no bad dogs, only bad masters.
this is very insightful
That's not true at all.
Explain.
Well considering that ppl from single family homes are more likely to go to jail then even being black
I don't know what it's like in America, but there's plenty of good women out there who are loyal and capable of being good mothers and wives, irrespective of religion. I know religion pays a big part in how people (especially women) are in the states, but it's not a universal rule is it?
There are a lot of liberal Mormon girls that will marry agnostics. Even if she or her family wants you to convert, why would you care if you aren't religious?
It alters your brain chemistry
got you bro
That's why you only marry virgins. Anyone who marries a non virgin is just cucking himself (at least on a lower level compared to being cucked in real time)
TLDR: dont masturbate and become hitler.
I can't speak for the whole country, but I live in the bible belt and +90% of the women are huge sluts. I imagine it's even worse in the big cities/liberal areas. Maybe it's better in the central US where it's empty
>mormons
I have never met a mormon in my life.
>convert
Idk if pretending to be something I'm not and living a lie is the best foundation for a marriage.
So it stands to reason the other 10% are not, no?
It has to be a willing action to be consider abstinence
>Idk if pretending to be something I'm not and living a lie is the best foundation for a marriage.
Don't worry, you're too stupid to marry anyway.
I always see these threads like 5 minutes after I finish jacking off and it makes me sad
Do think of it as abstaining from sex, think of it as abstaining from sin, fornication and adultery are punishable by death as they should be. Ask God for forgiveness and marry and only lie with that woman and have many children.
Be productive and not self indulgent
Abstinence until marriage is the proper way for society to be ordered.
Previous Partner count is predictive of:
>Increased likelihood to cheat
>Increased likelihood to divorce
>Lower sexual satisfaction
>Higher chance of self-reported negative relationship outcomes
Early sex leads to promiscuity, and sexual restraint has been linked to better relationships (even when controlling for religion, previous partners, etc.)
tl;dr: No hymen, no diamond.
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Male and female infidelity correlated with previous sexual partner count. Data from National Opinion Research Center’s General Social Survey 2010 compiled into graphs.
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"On the other hand, for men, having had more sex partners in their lifetime was a predictor of less sexual satisfaction."
And many other statistics
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"Having more prior sex partners predicted a higher likelihood of future ESI"
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Teachman study correlating number of sexual/cohabitational partners with divorce, using 1995 National Survey of Family Growth
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"Both structural equation and group comparison analyses demonstrated that sexual restraint was associated with better relationship outcomes, even when controlling for education, the number of sexual partners, religiosity, and relationship length."
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Sexual restraint in relationship correlated with better relationship quality
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I originally wanted to put 99% but that felt too hyperbolic. The most sexually conservative girl I ever met wouldn't date me because I'm not Christian, and even though she was a "virgin" she gave her boyfriends a shit ton of blowjobs. I don't think I've met a virgin since leaving high school
>agnosticism and having respect for America's Christian tradition while accepting my lack of conviction in its more supernatural elements is too stupid to marry
Well, I did say I had no shot at getting married
>Women are like dogs, there are no bad dogs, only bad masters.
Demonstrably untrue. Whores are irredeemable, serial monogamists are trash. Study after study confirms this.
You can't just tell guys to "get good," and expect them to turn some skank into a loyal wife.
I'm a white 21yo virgin.
I'd probly lose it if the opportunity blatantly presented itself, but im not gonna seek it out.
Men are naturally attracted to virgins though. Asian girls are the way to go. White women are lost.
Asians:
>are qt's
>are smart, will bear smart, hardworking children
>are disciplined, and will share that trait as a wife and mother
>are interesting, often into cool /lit/ and stuff
>are usually virgins, rarely sluts (despite kpop)
The true redpill desu
>Is there a net-positive effect for society if people abstain from sex
sublimation of strong sexual libido energy into productive pursuits made the western world
As much of a meme as this sounds like, it's actually true.
For anons that are interested, Oxford-educated anthropologist (Back from when the field had credibility and standards) J.D. Unwin wrote extensively about this.
I can't find his stuff on Google Scholar anymore, but I do suggest digging around for it.
>"Monogamy as a Condition of Social Energy,” The Hibbert Journal, Vol. XXV, 1927.
Is a good starting point, beyond that, I'd recommend:
>Sexual Regulations and Human Behaviour. London: Williams & Norgate ltd., 1933.
>Sex and Culture. London: Oxford University Press, 1934.
>The Scandal of Imprisonment for Debt. London: Simpkin Marshall Limited, 1935.
>Sexual Regulations and Cultural Behaviour. London: Oxford University Press, 1935.
>Sex Compatibility in Marriage. New York: Rensselaer, 1939.
>Hopousia: Or, The Sexual and Economic Foundations of a New Society, with and introduction by Aldous Huxley. New York: Oskar Piest, 1940.
in my experience having frivolous sex with randos causes depression and weird fits of nostalgia for past women that fuck up your current relationships.
The studies (I've read) generally suggest that low partner count is the highest indicator a relationship will last. It's why shotgun marriages tend to last the longest and be happy, they trained themselves to be monogamous through action.
Likewise, having sex with a revolving door of different people teaches to be cold and never connect - which is like going through life and never fully putting your weight down on any chairs out of fear that one might break.
So tl;dr
Quality over quantity, be careful who you fuck because all things come with a price, if even just an emotional one.
>tfw abstinent until marriage :)
>tfw not good enough for a decent, virginal wife :(
Keep trying user. We're all fishing in a shallow pool, but it's worth it.
If it doesn't work out, just remember that there's more dignity in dying alone than settling for used goods.
I wish porn made me desensitized. Would be nice to last a bit longer.
Yes
How old are you, user?
Pretty damn young, 21.
Same age as me then. I was a virgin when I got married last year and I'm not even slightly religious.
Not to say I'm exceptional, because I'm not, but I can speak from experience that some women will wait, and it's just a matter of seeking one out.
Good luck to your marriage. You're nowhere near past the testing ground, as you're no doubt aware
I moved to another country to be with him, we'll last. :)
Out of curiosity user, where'd you meet your husband?
It's difficult abstaining from lustful thought. Every time after I fap, I feel so negative towards life. Also, I look at every woman as money-grabbers who have no care towards me. I wanna love a girl and have her as my gf, but it's difficult guys.
It's often hard for degenerates to admit to being degenerate.
This. Committing degenerate acts for tempory pleasure.
We met on the train when he was visiting my country. I was 18 and he was 23.
I just want to be loved. Yet here I am, seven years from becoming a Wizard. There is no hope.
Jerk off. Don't care. Seriously, my most degenerative hedonistic impulses die within seconds after masturbating.
BUT, on the contrary, I noticed masturbating too much makes you into a low-T faggot who has no interest in women.
My rule is this: if you start thinking about fucking someone really gross, or doing something you know is wrong, masturbate. But don't masturbate all the time just for fun
look if you have a normal life its impossible to not start having sex in middle school / high school. then at uni it just goes fucking crazy wih tinder and girls in your classes and girls in your dorm, my current wife was like my 75th sex partner
you need to be fit as fuck and have experience for good sex
This is retarded with bits of truth thrown in.
HOW THE FUCK
Seriously I am a kissless virgin and I can't even get girls to fucking talk to me.
so talk to them?
just dont be weird and everything leads to sex eventually naturally
What the fuck, user
I only graduated high school 4 years ago, was pretty socially normal, and I'd guess maybe 30% of the students were sexually active. It was completely shocking if anyone was before say the 10th grade, and only really rare cases would have sex with people they weren't in a "serious" relationship (that would probably last 3 months lel) and those were talked about really negatively
I graduated a virgin and so did most of the people I knew, and those that weren't still made a big deal out of it, like losing their virginity on prom night to their relatively long-term bf/gf they thought they were going to marry, and stuff like that
Your perspective is completely alien to me
as soon as your balls kick in around 13-15 you will find a girl and you two will experiment and take each others virginity. that is the norm IMO.
they teach sex education for that reason at that age
>Don't be weird
>everything leads to sex eventually NATURALLY
We don't drop this kind of truth-bombs in Sup Forums user, these autists can't handle that reality. Flawless statement btw, you must get all the pussy you want bro.
Wasn't the norm where I grew up. Most people (not my family though) were religious, and it's possible that had an effect I suppose
Australia is very sexually precocious.