Russia should join NATO

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Latvia should join Russia.

Yeah join....

That is the only way to make NATO relevant. Allowing Russia to join would transform the union into a military bloc dedicated to defending western values and the West itself.

>That is the only way to make NATO relevant
Implaying it's not relevant right now allready......

Russia joining NATO is like Nazi Germany joining Allies.
NATO's sole reason to exist have always been Russian containment and it will always be so.

>NATO's sole reason to exist have always been Russian containment and it will always be so.
Actualy NATO was created to counter Soviet Union, not modern day russia, iron curtan has fallen......times change russiabro.Join the western nations.Just 300 years ago you guys where french allies, times change.

>new dutchy of Lithuania
>Polish republic
not united
>being this retarded
>mfw

NATO only exists to counter Russia. I know Russia has been hyper aggressive on its border so nations like Latvia would be scared of letting Russia in. But having a military union designed to target one specific country is irelevant. We need it to protect our shared values and history.

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Russia is too peaceful for NATO. They lack the part of the brain that values oil over human lives.

>USA, Russia and Europe in NATO

>NATO only exists to counter Russia. I know Russia has been hyper aggressive on its border so nations like Latvia would be scared of letting Russia in. But having a military union designed to target one specific country is irelevant. We need it to protect our shared values and history.
Dude you do fucking realise that untill this day nato has not engaged in combat against russia, but it has engaged in conflicts all arouund the world, like yugoslavian war and today in Iraq and syria.Also when USA was atacked in 9/11, when eaven we lost 30 soldiers in iraq for USA.NATO is not only for russia anymore.

Taliban is easily out of power and America's NATO allies no longer support the war on terror to the same extent. We only have U.K and France to aid us. NATO is now full on counter to Russian expansion, which is just uniting ethnic Russians.

NATO will be dismantled in our lifetime.

Again the war on terror is not a priority of NATO anymore.

I'm OK with this.

HELL NO

>they encircle your country with military bases, radars and rocket systems
>they put economic sanctions on you
>they blame you for everything bad thats happens in their internal affairs
>why are you so aggressive and don't want to be friends
Oy vey

Russia needs to make assurances that it will not try to attack anymore former soviet republics in europe.

Agreed, the US should exit NATO, stop being dicks to Russia, and form the ultimate military alliance.

No my countryman, we must let Russia in!

We will attack every single neighboring country if they decide to put NATO on our border.
Personally, i would glass them, as radioactive wasteland usually makes people rethink their actions.

Then join

Why? If we work directly with Russia, and Russia alone, we don't have to help Europe destroy itself more by forcing its people to crush the incoming mud hordes.

By this I mean we can legally go purge Europe of mudslime.

And have American soldiers on our soil? No, thanks

And set up an effective military allaince where that is not forced upon you and you get the added benefit of collective defense.
Ivan come on and join in a union with us.

9/10 bait, nothing more than 9/10 bait.

Well done Latvia, you non country. Are you part of the russian minority of 20%+ of the inhabitants.

Enjoy your day.

>Join the alliance that created to purely oppose Russia
>???

And don't feed me bullshit about "It was only about USSR". Your leaders clearly don't give a fuck be it either Russian Empire, USSR or current Russia. They never truly believed that Russia will be a part their world, that we can be reformed. It's still the same ugly monster in their eyes that must be put down.

>Well done Latvia, you non country
Said the non country, before sucking achmeds fat brown cock.

We were moving towards working together until
>In March 2007, the U.S. announced plans to build an anti-ballistic missile defense installation in Poland along with a radar station in the Czech Republic. Both nations were former Warsaw Pact members. U.S. officials said that the system was intended to protect the United States and Europe from possible nuclear missile attacks by Iran or North Korea. Russia, however, viewed the new system as a potential threat and, in response, tested a long-range intercontinental ballistic missile, the RS-24, which it claimed could defeat any defense system. Vladimir Putin warned the U.S. that these new tensions could turn Europe into a "powder keg". On June 3, 2007, Putin warned that if the U.S. built the missile defense system, Russia would consider targeting missiles at Poland and the Czech Republic.

To me and to many others that was unofficial decoration of continuation to the cold war.
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These men can change history and create a new destiny for the military allaince. One on protecting our collective nations against (West) against the threat the rest of the world brings

New administration new possibilities. We don't have a government that lasts forever like you guys. No judgement just how Russia does things. We can establish a new policy and a true reset in relations.

>It's still the same ugly monster in their eyes that must be put down.
I was ok with russian empire, but them some gopniks started comunism and killed all the intelegance out of russia, tzar and he's family.And other intelectuals, now you are left with people who listen to rentv all the time.Just leave us alone russia, we will not see you as a monster, say at least sory for ocupations,gulags and siberia. if you will not pay for fucking our economy.

Fuck off kike shill

What benefits? Like being obligated to go to war with China if America starts one? We spend more than 2% on defense without losing our sovereignty in foreign policy. Moreover, nobody can force us to buy the overpriced Lockheed's stuff, while we pretty much content with our own military industry. And from what we see in the Ukraine now, it becomes apparent that the endgame of NATO is a war with Russia, not a peaceful relation.

>how many layers of delusion are you on?
>I don't know like 5 or 6
>you're like a little baby, watch this:

>Russia should join NATO

Russia is shit poor. How are they supposed to pay their 2% GDP to NATO?

Ah fuck it, I saw the same shit million times already. At this point, I feel like I'm speaking with bots that post the same reused enthusiastic crap again and again.

Face it, Russia being friendly with the western countries is totally out of picture. It's a pipe dream. A fucking CENTURIES of propaganda and dehumanization. Sorry, I just can't brush it off and turn into naive idiot who belives in stupid memes about peace and coexistence. Because I see literally zero evidence of that coming from your leaders.

But this is literally true. You are an imperialistic, aggressive world power who certainly would like to add us to your sphere of influence. Why are you surprised we hate you and try to turn others against you and join NATO to provide a counterbalance to your military?

WTF, no! Russia is an enemy. What is the point of sharing all the military secrets with your enemy?

Well yeah they are poor i can give you that, but i think they may pay those 2% considering there huge military.Also 1/3 of there whole gdp comes from fosil fuels and gasprom kek.But to be fair only few countries in NATO are paying 2%

Russia spends 2.5 times the amount necessary

That is where our two nations need to meet the other halfway. Russia can cease aggression toward neighbors and U.S could fade out its militarization of the Russian border. It will be hard but if patriots can lobby their governments to get a constructive union going, it can happen.

5% of gdp?wew didn't know that

The only militarization of Russian border is by Russia. They have over 800 tanks sitting in Kaliningrad alone.

>all these redrawn borders
>bosnia still exists
>constantinople not returned to greece

0/10

Times change........we should stop this muh russia vs nato bullshit allready, wouldn't world be mutch safer place for everyone if ''western nations'' would unite to fight threats like ISIS?

Isn't your country inviting mine to place servicemen on the border?

>Russia needs to make assurances

Agreements signed with Russia don't have any meaning whatsoever. They are worth less than paper on which they were written. If you want Russia to do what you want, you need to crush its head against the wall until it starts bleeding, crying and begging. Without pressuring Russia, it will take what you give, improve its position, and become even more arrogant and demanding. Russian elite has a mentality of a gopnik - a Russian criminal that respects only strenght and determination, not "being friendly".

Trying to make an ally against China out of Russia by appeasing it and giving it what it wants will end up with having strong China and stronger Russia against oneself.

Fuck off, retardo. Russia is invading Ukraine right now.

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Pfff
those 500 guys?

It is just a token force. "Militarization" would imply the force to be militarily significant (and possibly capable of offence). Only such force anywhere near Russian border is Russian military.

Yes, but it would of not happened if bouth of them would of been part of NATO right?

First you ask for 500 then next who knows. Militarization happens gradually as both sides build up. Your invitation just helped escalation.

There is the new NATO quick reaction force which trains on the border.

Better would be to defend the European border and deploy the navy to the Mediterranean.

Exactly

How can you beat a country's "head against the wall until it starts bleeding, crying and begging" when they posses nuclear weapons?

Yes please

This thread is literally a prime evidence that any kind of cooperation between West and Russia is literally impossible. Just read what other parties write about each other.

It's literally a case of
"drop your gun"
"no, u"

It's entirely hopeless. Fuck this world, I wish we still invested in space program and just fucking abandoned that planet.

Joining forces against ISIS is fucking laughable, it's literally a non-issue and a bunch of useful idiots that get abuse by everybody to further their shit goals. You must be delusional to believe that bunch of goat fuckers pose any kind of threat.

I'll repeat for Baltics suicide squads. ANY country that puts NATO on our border will be eventually invaded and potentially even glassed.
Thats the only way to ensure our security and your lack of understanding of that simple fact won't save you when we're ready.
Your best defense is bilateral relationships. If you don't understand it, nothing can help you at this point.

It is not an arms race. That kind of description is propagandistic and wrong, spread by Russians. Russia already has 100 times more forces deployed in immediate border areas.

How have you still not gotten the message that russia is one of the shittiest neighbors one can have

By encircling it with anti-Russian counties, building global missile shield systems neutralizing its nuclear arsenal - trying to "escape to the front" technologically by working on laser anti-missile systems f.e., coming back to Reagan "Star Wars" doctrine, supplying NATO members with tactical nukes based on sophisticated cruise missiles like JASSM so they would be able to penetrate Russian A2/AD zones (currently deployed gravitational B61 is unable to do it) and helping NATO countries with considerable military potential placed near Russia in arming itself with newest weapon, while giving a chance to your military industry to earn a lot of money on it. USA needs countries-satelites having a chance to introduce a death blow to Russia instead of the USA, so USA wouldn't have to risk direct retaliation.

Economically, USA should support energetical independence of countries placed near Russia and buying Russian energy carriers.

Only a strong system of military and economical pressure based on the stick and carrot approach can make Russia behave the way USA wants and be an "ally" of the USA against China f.e. Otherwise Russia takes what you give, spit in your face and demands more and more and more.

Finland kicked Russia's ass, killed over 6000000 Russians and remained independent. Baltics developed "bilateral relations", Russia invaded and went on to mass murder and ship people to Siberia.

Russia will be dismantled in our lifetime.

Starnge how we have the best country to have as a neighbour to the north and worst to the east.

THIS
But we killed hundreds of thousands of russians before they managed to ocupy us, secound time.

meanwhile we have 2 shit countries and no land bridge with finland

Are your countries warm to American tourists?

if you are not brown or a drunk brit nobody really cares

I want to slay slav thots

>Invade Ukraine
>Anex part of them
>Fund Ukrainian civil war
>Have small nations to you'r border that have russian minorities
>Have strong military and bitch all the time hiow you can invade Riga in 3 hours
>Nato puts 500 soldiers in Baltic states just to show that they will be defended, but not 500K that would be able to invade russia
>Ov vey NATO is the aggresor
>RT and ren.tv is saying TRUTH!

Sometimes I wish we really invaded Ukraine.

Just you know. One day Putin wakes up in the morning, stretches and makes a call. "Sergei, send,mmm... I don't even know. Like send three thousand tanks and all the support needed. And just roll over them. I'm tired of all this bullshit."

If you are not Nigger, you can come with no problem, as long as you are not a fucking drunk british peace of shit who peed on our statue of liberty.In center of Riga.....

>that photo

Russia can join NATO if they install a National bank owned by (((trustworthy))) experts.

We are not slavs mate.

I want to slay your thots

Russia tried to join in the 90s, Clinton denied

>thots
Just looked it up in urbad dictionary
FUCK OFF MATE!This is not Ukraine we are devoloped nations.

Realy?

Twas during the German reunification.
>In 1990, while negotiating German reunification at the end of the Cold War with United States Secretary of State James Baker, Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev said that "You say that NATO is not directed against us, that it is simply a security structure that is adapting to new realities ... therefore, we propose to join NATO." However, Baker dismissed the possibility as a "dream".

>they put economic sanctions on you
For no reason at all, right?

Bush was the president then not Clinton.

>Implying you didnt to the same to us before ukraine

>Bush
Wasn't that reigan?

Is Estonia even a real country? It is Russian clay.

How will your invasion go on? Let some of those T14 pull the other junk in your army forward?

Don't kid yourself, you'd be dismantled if you'd ever try shit on NATO. You don't even have the balls to do shit openly in Ukraine.
It would be you and Turkey vs. the developed world.

> all these naive people ITT

There is no "friendship" in politics of big empires, just like there is no everlasting hostilty. There are compatible or incompatibile interests and clashes of interests. If USA is weak, Russia expands on its influence zones. If USA is strong, Russia backs off to its territory. That's so simple xD

Russia is currently trying to prove - without war, because war is risky and nobody knows how it is going to end - that USA is too weak to project power in Europe and therefore force USA to admit that Russia has its own influence zone and nobody has access to this zone - like it was with Iron Curtain during Cold War. Where the border of this Russian influence zone would have to go - nobody knows. Probably even Russians don't know it, they simply try to force USA to sit with them to the table and divide Europe the way Stalin and Roosevelt did.

The problem is that USA considers Russia as a country which is too weak to demand such things, but potentially useful in other matters.

That's why we are having an impasse now.

Russians are poor shits compeared to Estonians.

>>Have strong military and bitch all the time hiow you can invade Riga in 3 hours
You mean Pentagon speech on this matter. I don't remember that we stated that we can conquer balcans in 3 days or 3 hours.

>ren.tv

No sane people watch this channel in Russia.

lol. Russia should try asking them, just to see what would happen. Massive faggotry would ensue, would be my guess.

Russia doesn't want to join NATO, Russia wants to dismantle it. Membership in NATO doesn't give anything to Russia - Russia wants new territories, it wants to rise its population to 300 mln again, like in times of soviet union and be powerful.

I would rather reject notion that Russia is "afraid" of NATO. Nobody sane would dare to attack a nuclear power of this size as Russia.

EU should just kick U.S. out then Russia won't have a problems with NATO being close to their borders. If there no warmonger then you have nothing to fear. Europe are too cucks and want to live in safety without war. U.S. on the other hand don't give a fuck if they make a war on Europe soil.

>EU cucks
>they can't do anything!

I think hate fags like you even more than delusional shits from the butthurt belt.

This is why I said before it's entirely hopeless.

>I would rather reject notion that Russia is "afraid" of NATO. Nobody sane would dare to attack a nuclear power of this size as Russia.

Yeah, it's if we are okay with nuking someone. The problem with Nuclear war is that if you nuke one, everyone will nuke everyone. So, it's make a problem. Let's say NATO invade Russia and goes to Moscow. Who do we nuke? Germany? France? U.S? They will nuke back probably at this point.

It's more like our nuclear arms prevent us from open demands from U.S.