So the increase in temperatures around the world have caused permafrost to melt and begin to release vast amounts of methane, which could continue to increase temperatures and release more methane in a runaway effect. If we are already past the point of no return, is there any kind of engineering or science project that could save us from this? If you don't believe in climate change and greenhouse gasses, just leave the thread because bubbles like in the article above are popping up all over Siberia and are evidence of mass amounts of methane escaping and 50 gigatonnes of methane going into the atmosphere will definitely have an insane effect on the earths climate.
If this shit is real and will cause a runaway temperature increase, what will become of us as a species? Will modern society collapse as Antarctica melts and sea levels rise meters in years? This stuff has me worried. If you think it's fake then link to an accredited scientific source showing how it's BS, otherwise don't bother posting.
Have you ever read anything about the planet Venus? That's what would happen to Earth.
Honestly we deserve it at this point though so I sincerely hope the Earth farts us all to death
Lincoln Parker
But why does no one seem to give a shit besides a few scattered reports in 2013
Adam Stewart
Eh, idk, the media seems to think Vladimir Putin is the scariest thing to come out of Russia, not the gigantic Earth zits of doom
Camden Allen
What if we just make a tube through the ozone layer and then just let everything out for a little bit.
Samuel Brown
From what I've heard this is a doomsday meme. Methane dissipates after ~6 years. Methane could cause some warming but in the grand scheme it's not much to worry about.
The real climate red pill is industrial heating and the raising of net heat due to wide spread industrialization. It's not the games, perse, but the addition of heat above solar heat (which is usually thrown off when turned away from the sun).
We need cold fusion now so then to a nuclear powered society. Or graphene to become commercially viable for battery technology.
Might not be receding visibly, ablation is still occuring, sometimes glaciers will tend to move farther I'm periods of rapid melting due to decreased friction from all of the melt water running under it.
Robert Hernandez
Methane will always be In air, ever heard of farts. Oh and BTW I love that shift of the burden of truth. You ask any opposers to cite science reports whilst you basically say "I read somewhere about this thing."
Logan Hall
>what is a feedback loop?
It is not a meme. This is like the people who spew "but only 3% is manmade!" The environment is in a natural state of more-or-less equilibrium.. If you interrupt the balance, the scales tip. And they don't tip back.
Justin King
Venus has other problems than CO2 and methane. It has clouds of sulfuric acid and its atmosphere is 200 times heavier than Earth's. Aside from that its the most habitable place outside of Earth as long as you're 30 miles off the surface.
Christian Ortiz
Checked and this is actually true, but it's more the metaphor of "hellish, lifeless surface of molten slag" that counts.
Just in general I don't believe in anthropogenic global warming so anons arguing over that are kind of silly considering the Earth zits don't necessarily have anything to do with that
Brody Lopez
Oh vey this is bad! We need more taxes to solve this problem!!
Science! Cannot be disputed!
Wyatt Gray
Venus is a shit hole with bigger problems than its atmospheric composition.
Ryan Reyes
there were some plans about an habitable venus, living in the skies, something about the pressure making easier for some giant airship hindenburg style to stay up there
Alexander Ward
>Floating cities We can't even do that in our planet, let alone on Venus.
Terramorphing Mars would be a much different bet
Noah Hughes
*saffer
Luis Williams
>methane
BRRRRRAAAAAAAPPPPFFFF
Brandon Bailey
I think it may be too late, but some may leave by ship.
William Young
well not a city, but some kind of research airship, like the space station
Cooper Young
The basic problem is runaway greenhouse effect.
On Venus, this was caused by massive amounts of volcanoes popping off
On Earth, it would be the methane zits
Global warming tards think it's factories and shit
No matter what, the basic issue is the same: runaway greenhouse
Colton Moore
Well done.
Leo Kelly
How much hatred for your own country, people and family. I though this was a nationalist board, you can't have nation without healthy land.
You do know that after all the hippie bullshit the ozone layer is indeed healing up right? Hippie shit works, everyone who denies it it's only there to line up the pockets of billionaires.
David Turner
OP, if Trump and the republicans can ignore massive, civilization destroying issues you can too.
Just enter a Trumplike world of fantasy and all will be fine.
doesn't matter. people are short term and can't think of the future just enjoy your life while you have it. its not gonna be your problems so don't worry about it.
Cameron Turner
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Ryder Jackson
I live in central Nebraska so I don't give a fuck if the sea levels raise - I won't be effected.
That's not how it works, and that's not how it worked in what we can determine is earth's history either faggot. Volcanoes have dumped significantly more greenhouse gases than any of these runaway effects have ever proposed to do several times in the last million years. It tips back regardless, faggot.
Leo Hughes
Mars would probably be more difficult than Venus to live on, since there is no magnetosphere. Essentially, any atmosphere that Mars has is immediately blown away by the Sun. It would be easier to get rid of or change Venus' atmosphere thank it would be to kickstart Mars into having one.
Logan Morgan
No where not, we're gonna have a mini ice age soon anyway.
Nothing to worry about OP
Ethan Moore
>mexican climate change experts
Logan Cook
Use venus's atmosphere as propellant, fuck it.
Andrew Lee
N Y C JEWS will move inland dumbass.
Brayden Evans
so did this happen 1100 years ago when temps were something like +3 from what they're calling 'earths right temperature'.
Robert Campbell
Or a tube into the center of the earth
Andrew Carter
Is it immune to nuclear mines
John Gray
Both have their pros and cons.
Mars is nice because it has a day-night cycle very close to Earth (24 hours 40 minutes) and already has frozen water/once had flowing liquid water. On the other hand, no magnetic field and gigantic fucking dust storms.
Venus is nice because its upper atmosphere is already livable, and its basically Earth's twin size and composition wise. On the other hand, it's hotter than Hell as previously mentioned and its atmosphere will melt your lungs.
Cooper Kelly
It won't before humanity is long gone and we'll be the last complex organisms to survive.
Caveman mentality. You matter and every small thing you do. If you wanted it Man could live forever.
>no one gives a shit It's literally on most newspapers every week. Only cuckservatives choose to ignore it, they have so much hatred for the people they represent.
Caleb Roberts
Quickly, tax the middle-class!
Brandon Bennett
People don't care about this because of a simple biological trick that all humans have: We don't care about threats that aren't in our immediate surroundings.
If someone broke into your house and tried to kill you, you would likely fight back and try to kill the attacker. Simple.
Climate change denial is so rampant on this board because: 1) People believe that climate change is just a scam to further tax the populace 2) Climate change won't matter to most in developed countries until it directly affects their way of life 3) People in general in developed countries are bombarded with so much news that it is now impossible to figure out what is true and what is not, and finally: 4) Total ignorance about the basic physical laws that govern the universe and our planet, and allow ecosystems to thrive in the first place. Nearly all of the natural wealth that developed countries have raped (at an astounding rate never before seen) relies on stable ecosystems to replenish. Unfortunately for us, whether human caused or not, we are literally in the midst of the Sixth mass extinction on this planet. Humans are pushing all other life off this planet for their own kind, destroying the biodiversity and ecosystems which allowed us to thrive in the first place. This spells certain doom for most humans, socioeconomic ideologies don't matter to nature, she will kill us off all the same, and humans (particularly ones in first world countries) have been kidding themselves for a long time about what is sustainable. It is a lesson that we will learn the hard way-like all civilizations before us.
So in short, yes, we are fucked. Most on /pol and the developed world are incredibly ignorant of this and will likely die deniers, even as they can't feed themselves or their families. The real fun hasn't even begun yet, as the planet warms, crop cycles aren't able to function properly. Famine and drought will be the rule, not the exception. Have a nice day, everyone.
Liam Hernandez
I will kek under the green skies.
Brandon Martin
Not just a question of surface area but also thickness.
And Forbes cherry picked that data to get a pre-determined result. Anything from Forbes should be considered suspect.
Yep. I just don't see any feasible way to get an atmosphere on Mars, meanwhile you can fix Venus' atmosphere while living there and don't have to truck shit over from somewhere else. Even if you could somehow fix Mars' magnetosphere I don't know where you'd get a planet's worth of oxygen and nitrogen to make a new one.
Juan Ortiz
It's nowhere near warm enough for another one of these to happen.
Christian Gutierrez
>look ma' I'm shilling for the dying fossil fuel industry for free
Little bit of trivia but the only mexican to gain a relevant Nobel prize was for it's help on shedding light to the ozone depletion.
Logan Allen
>fossil fuel lmao
Ryder Wilson
Do you understand dolomite and limestone? Of course you don't, you're a fucking retard. Let me explain it to you. For billions of years, plankton have been growing, dying, and depositing carbon on the ocean floor. This becomes dolomite and limestone. There's 100,000,000 gigatons of carbon in the crust, vs 750 in the atmosphere on Earth. The chance that Earth will ever resemble Venus as a result of global warming is mathematically 0. You are full on fucking retarded. You have no business talking about climate change at all. Just shut your goddamn mouth, imbecile.
Really getting an atmosphere to Mars is simple; it already has one, just very thin. To make it thicker and more human-friendly you need plants to grow and over time it'll naturally gain its own. Easier said than done, obviously, and it would take a VERY long time.
Anthony Evans
Calm down there kid you're gonna pop a damn blood vessel.
Nothing you said has anything to do with the methane gas trapped under Siberia (and also the oceans), which is the issue at hand.
Luis Turner
No, it will just dissipate again if you do that. Mars had an Earth-like atmosphere at one point. Then its magnetosphere shut down for some reason. Since Mars has very low gravity, the Sun's solar winds blew away the Martian atmosphere. So even if you could grow the atmosphere there it'd be futile. Also, plants don't make atmospheres out of nothing.
Leo Harris
There was an idea to have a giant electromagnet in a geostatic orbit in front of mars
Nathaniel Miller
>link to an accredited scientific source
Accredited by who exactly?
Aaron Roberts
How are you going to grow plants and have oceans on Venus if the planet doesn't spin and is too close to the Sun?
Sounds like a impossible pipe dream because the planet is way too fucked.
Bentley Richardson
Wouldn't a space station over Venus have issues with the toxic atmosphere corroding everything? Or what is it high enough in the air to avoid it? Either way, sounds cool but we would need a cheaper way to put stuff into space.
Liam Ward
so?
Bentley Clark
Yes, I don't dispute that it would dissipate back into space eventually, but the dissipation would take many, many human lifetimes to occur- we're talking geologic time here, so it's not really that big an issue.
The magnetosphere is the biggest problem, especially since bees need one to navigate, so no bees means no pollination on Mars. We can see where this is going; no pollination means no large amounts of plants, which means no air...
Isaiah Foster
It wouldn't be for colonization. More like research purposes, so that scientists could test methods of surviving in hostile environments.
Lucas Sanders
This. We'll probably- probably- never live on Venus permanently in like cities or anything like that, but scientists would go nuts over that shit
Leo Cook
I was in class and I saw one of my classmates was browsing this website, so I went over to his MacBook and checked out the website address, and went on here myself to see what a disgusting website it is with disgusting users. How can you all live with yourselves while expressing yourselves in such a racist, misogynistic and homophobic manner? What are your reasons? Did you get bullied in high school or something?
I am compelled to tell the rest of the class about what my classmate browses and his possible views. He is a danger to our society and so are you.
Oliver Foster
Fucking hell. user was trying to get us to set the atmosphere on fire the whole time
James Mitchell
No, it would dissipate pretty much immediately. And again, plants dont make things out of nothing. For them to put oxygen in the air, they need CO2. They also need nitrogen and a bunch of other stuff in the soil. Its all zero-sum.
Also, the magnetosphere isn't for fucking bees, its to keep the atmosphere in place in a low gravity environment (Venus doesn't have one, but it has higher gravity) and so you don't get irradiated by the sun.
The upper atmosphere is habitable. Once you've removed enough of the lower atmosphere to make it not melt you face, you can work on niceties like having a tide. All of this is still way Easier than dealing with Mars. We could begin terraforming Venus right now. Mars can't happen for at least another 100 years. We could get people living there, but they won't be able to do much besides research.
Asher Kelly
Everyone's ignoring that we could build some cities on Mars.
Like in Phantasy Star. Also, Mars gravity pull is so weak we could use the elevator idea to get in and out of the planot
Luke Gonzalez
Who knows, someone might discover a way they can extract resources from Venus that might warrant a small outpost there. Space travel is rather cheap once we break through the earths atmosphere. Could have a drone space ship ferry freight to a different space station if its cheaper than importing from Earth.
Michael Hughes
Born just in time to watch it tumble down.
Aaron Peterson
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Jeremiah Morris
>elevator in space >forgetting meteors and other space junk
Bering Strait is going to be the new panama canal once the Arctic sea ice melts. Equator is going to be a scorched wasteland while the Poles will be temperate paradises.
Russia/American last frontier. Last bastion of white culture.
MOVE TO ALASKA.
Christian Phillips
Nope, we're not fucked. America and Canada will ride it out and the rest of the world will die. Thank god we can survive climate change.
If we want to stop it getting rid of coal is only one problem. Deforestation and cows are a huge problem.
Colton Reed
Russa is dead when 2b+ people from China/India run towards them.
Ian Wood
We already have space stations and they seem to be fine. Humans are great at detecting potential spacial hazards, stop selling us so short.
Carson Turner
It's nice but how are you going to get rid the atmosphere? Throwing out meteors at it seems to be the "easiest" solution but it would require a huge amount of them. Bonus point if we could add enough energy to make the planet spin faster.
Can anyone calc the energy required to do this?
Wyatt Taylor
Nothing matters, everything is enthropy bound. It's the one rule of the universe. And we're never leaving this rock.
Hudson Cook
No...Alaska is full we don't want or need anyone...P.s. it's shitty up here you don't want to come
Oliver Rogers
Physics? Chemistry? Mathematics? Haha, these are no match for my jew meme! Check. Mate. >tips fedodo
Owen Hill
Drill into the surface of Venus, and nuke it below ground to make a giant cavern. Compress a portion of atmosphere in the cavern and collapse it. Repeat until you've got a thin atmosphere.
Robert Hernandez
But even the scientists who know about the methane aren't making a big fuss about it, if they knew that this was going to kill us unless we stop it then wouldn't they be going onto social media and raise awareness? literally never seen it in a newspaper or news except on obscure science websites.
