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Why did the Roman Empire fall?
christianity
we done fuck up ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Invasion and lack of assimilation from the undocumented immigrants. They should of just gave them amnesty tbqh
the proto-fed
The optimal divine system of government, Sharia Rule, was not invented at the time.
too big
you can't create an identity based on a city
because it couldnt expand any more and therefore had to rely on internal resources, which werent enough to maintain it
This
Simply put: degeneracy
Ammianus Marcellinus wrote about it in its dying days:
>"Wherever you turn your eyes you can see any number of women with curled ringlets, old enough, if they were married, to be mothers of three, skimming the floor with their feet to the point of exhaustion and launching themselves into the bird-like evolutions by which they represent the countless scenes which form the imaginary content of theatrical pieces."
>"They (the lower class) wear themselves out from dawn to dusk, wet or fine, in detailed discussion of the merits and demerits of horses and their drivers. It is most extraordinary to see a horde of people hanging in burning excitement on the outcome of a chariot race. Things like this prevent anything worthy of serious mention happening at Rome."
Sound familiar?
Christianity, slavery was abolished, barbarians joined the legions, and they accepted germanic immigrants to live within the borders of the empire
People too spoiled with getting boipucci and drinking wine to realize there were savage forest people toughened by eating tree bark for hundreds of years at their gates
Bread & circus
Christianity
Feminism
Over stretched millitary
Lack of assimilation.(The left many tribes alone on the condition they leave the Romans alone.)
Germans
Not really, but did you see the basketball game last night? Our niggers beat their niggers.
They conquered most of the world. With every nation they conquered, they added those citizens to their own citizenship. Eventually there were so many "Romans" in Rome that the society changed. After about 150 years of that, almost none of them considered Rome to be Roman anymore.
the barbarians who took over had no idea how to run Roman cities and simply did not run them.
they just left them to rot along with all their advanced facilities.
Plenty reasons that we're basically seeing today:
>dissolution of morals, values and traditions
>destruction of family
>christianism
>massive unregulated immigration
>overcilivilization of the people, who lost all will to fight
>interbreeding
>rampant homosexuality
>hedonism
>individualism
>delocalization of work
>too much dependance on slave labor
>citizens were slaves as much as anyone else
>usury
>corrupted government of puppets
>all wealth in the hands of an elite
>economy dying
>rise of the east
>feelings taking precedence over logic
We'll fall too.
Barbarians, lots of barbarians
Bad emperors - quite a few
Lack of manpower and population
Soil erosion and agricultural/technological stagnation
Some degree of dogmatism in legionary tactics when warfare was changing
Religious schisms
Decaying infrastructure
loads of things really
German refugees
it never fell. roman emperors became roman popes.
slavery was never really abolished in Rome
>Implying it's not still in power
this one seems the most reasonable. once they stopped expanding their economy crumbled
kek
I had a Christian teacher in middle school say that the roman empire fell because of homosexuals. I guess he thought the fags cursed the empire.
did their original pagan religion discourage degeneracy (at least for the lower class)?
foreigners
Because the fool is trying to take in the Undertaker at Wrestlemania.
Debasement of currency, centralization of power without any means of exercising said power, heavy reliance on slave labor which in turn became less productive and more disruptive over time and of course the acceptance of Christianity, which led to the elites of Rome deciding it would be easier to control the masses through their minds as opposed to through physical might. Realistically, it was exclusively the actions of the upper crust who tore the society down, much like how modern international financiers and global industrialists could bring the world to a grinding halt, if they chose. Essentially, ruling Rome became more of a chore than a luxury.
Multiculturalism, lowering the value of the coin so they could afford to feed their increasingly obese welfare state, having a welfare state to begin with, and lastly having to rely on foreigners for the military.
These individual issues all contributed to the fall of Rome.
the germanic niggers fucked it up
the escalation of the cold war, space race, civil rights, cultural marxism, and jewish influences in america were all an elaborate diversion from the eternal papacity's conquest of protestant america
was their currency fiat?
they managed Multiculturalism for 500 years no problem
>ancient rome had whitetrash nascar fans
top kek
>was their currency fiat?
Bankers were jewish, so yes.
they were really really gay
Sic Semper Tyrannis
They also crucified those multicultural people who burned down their cities and started riots.
well Romans supposedly did not induldge much in butttfucking, until they encountered the Greeks.
And then Multiculturalism came to Rome itself, instead of remaining in its native lands.
And why wouldn't they, they could get bread and circuses there. At home, they would have to work for a living. That'd be tiring for the barbaroi.
Because of Attila the Hun.
But the eastern one (Byzantine) survived centuries after.
4 u
en.wikipedia.org
Chariot fans were something more like your soccer hooligans.
the mentaility was anyone could be a Roman, because the culture was so strong.
kek
The history of what the Romans did with money is long, the gist is, as more money was required to fund the misadventures of each successive emperor, inflationary measures were usually taken and then "fixed" in hindsight. The cycles became too much and we're never fully fixed. They had backed currency, but would debase it by changing what was put into the coins, shave them down or issue entirely new forms of currency. It's a mess that I won't do a good job explaining, it's a fairly well documented phenomenon though.
Christianity
Jews
Reminds me of a nation currently suffering from 60% whiteness.
Not to poke at you at all, just observing a parallel.
When everyone is Roman, no one is
Rome's treatment of foreigners was actually genius, and one of the reasons Rome grew from a city into a sprawling empire. Basically, conquered peoples were offered privileges and a share in the booty if they served in Roman armies, which resulted in a large snowball effect. Bar for a couple of hiccups (see the Social Wars and the 2nd Punic War), this system worked very well.
Didn't Nero, the same guy who burned Christians alive, also burn Rome down?
>muh christiasnity
the eastern empire lasted much longer and it was christian
>the JOOOOOOOOS
also
fpbp
Rise of Christianity destroyed civic virtues. Allegiance to state/nation was replaced with allegiance to a prophet.
Good try. It was actually multiculturalism. Well, that and the sanctity of marriage went to shit. Augustus made Rome last another generation longer than it should just by fixing marriage.
this is true, the main reason was that the silver mines in Spain became a lot less productive
it sounds more like poor leadership led to the fall of Rome. of course there are many factors, and pol loves the degeneracy/multicultural angle. but its not like rebellions did most of the damage. it was mostly barbarianism which wasn't stopped effectively (poor leadership) and other internal problems
Our niggers were fucking amazing, literally empz
no i dont think Nero did either in reality.
The roman empire was not that big. The landmass of the entire empire was about half the landmass of the US.
jews
Rome was always a fire waiting to happen.
IIRC Nero didn't burn the city down, but was accused of incompetence/not giving a fuck when the city did burn down. He claimed that Christian arsonists had caused the fires and went after them. Naturally we din do nuffin.
It was too big for the time, without telegraph, radio or whatever to bring forth news swiftly.
>with transportation and communication technology minuscule compared to modern day africa
You're dreaming.
Western Rome went to shit because it lost relevance, other powers were on the rise that took trade and influence away from Rome.
Rome at the end was a city built to house one million people, yet only housed 10.000. Byzantium was the shit along with the Franks those days.
but very big given the state of transport and communication technology at the time
Consequences of a multicultural society, and the socialism that was required to keep it held together. Also, borders that were too long to be easily defended.
Socialism
Seriously, they had a welfare state with free grain for people, to pay for all the social programs they devalued the currency into the ground. Look at the value of Denarius throughout the age of the empire, there was mega inflation to pay for everything the state did.
Caesars made the republic redundant
It fell when cesar died and the triumvirate between anthony, octavian and the other guy began
hivemind lads
barbarians had nothing to do with the fall of rome
that's right, most of the former city of Rome reverted to pastures for goats
en.m.wikipedia.org
>Post-classical law
>By the middle of the 3rd century, the conditions for the flourishing of a refined legal culture had become less favourable. The general political and economic situation deteriorated as the emperors assumed more direct control of all aspects of political life. The political system of theprincipate, which had retained some features of the republican constitution, began to transform itself into the absolute monarchy of thedominate. The existence of a legal science and of jurists who regarded law as a science, not as an instrument to achieve the political goals set by the absolute monarch, did not fit well into the new order of things. The literary production all but ended. Few jurists after the mid-3rd century are known by name. While legal science and legal education persisted to some extent in the eastern part of the Empire, most of the subtleties of classical law came to be disregarded and finally forgotten in the west. Classical law was replaced by so-calledvulgar law.
1/3rd of the known world is not that big? are you fucking retarded.
Literally millions of people from the coast of dover, to the deserts of africa, egypt all the way to the middle east, lived and died under rule of roman emperors.
you have to understand this was 2 millenium ago, populations were mostly in cities, large vast land such as the sahara were unpopulated and desolate.
nope it actually survived for another 500 years
yes they did. they took the place over but couldnt run it.
>He claimed that Christian arsonists had caused the fires
Wow, I'm shocked lol
Did you know Muslims blamed Jews for ISIS and Aids too? Must be true amirite
Eastern roman empire lasted until 1453
Rome is the longest standing empire in history.
A slow death
The landmass wasn't very big, but landmass wasn't what they were going for anyway. Total control of the Mediterranean was their thing.
Survive is not a great way to put it, as it was almost perpetually in a state of Civil War.
Progress was replaced with tolerance above all (they tolerated Christianity untill it was too late)
You see, progress brought us allot like exceptence of homosexuallity. It was not seen normal but since people could get out of the closet means that they became more productive and contribute to society.
Tolerance above all means that you don't like it but you'll have to accept it or else people will say not nice things.
Same happened to the Romans. Too sophisticated to the point that others took advantage of it.
G*rmanics contributing their share
And yet the Byzantine Empire was hardly Roman - but Greek through and through.
failed to properly immigrate and assimilate the goths, whom were not dispersed or disarmed when they arrived, and came in far greater number than agreed upon (ie: many forced their way in)
because such a large number settled in such a small region suddenly and unexpectedly there were food shortages which lead to armed revolts since they still had their weapons and chieftains
the resulting conflicts (ex: adrianople) crippled the inner workings and armies of the empire, which otherwise might have been able to manage to carry on.
That was the republic. The empire rose because of caesars assassination. get your fuckin facts straight m8
It was also the least diverse part of the Empire, with nothing but Greeks and Greco-Romans.
Funny that.
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even so, if you were dropped in the year 300 where would you wanna live? i would chill in Rome and watch Christians get killed in Colosseum. sounds comfy
Did you just assume their ethnicity you shitlord?
The fact that I can't marry Taylor Swift is proof that God is real, and that he is a cruel, unloving sociopath who enjoys my suffering
I think you are right. The roman empire was so powerful it defeated all their enemies.
The downfall came from within!
>amerishart education
>thinks his shitty little empire will last another century
top kek, USA is nomore soon
>My family is Dacian but I identify as Roman
It's funny because it's true.
>why did the Roman Empire fall?
Summary of all the answers ITT: "Whatever I don't like about the contemporary"
>I've seen movies about it
They fell because their movies were too fucking long.
Eh, I'd personally be with the Germanics at that date. Romans didn't want to fuck with them, and their way of life was far more simple and fair.
I would definitely watch. I can already hear them screaming while running away from gladiators
>I'm not a Christian!! I was just LARPING please let me live I have autism you know
and black&white