Communism General

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Communism is for retards. Case closed.

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The time for arguments is over? Communism is the future... no other system is viable to carry us forward

A spectre called leftypol

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It is the inevitable future... no other system will be capable of sustaining us in the future

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"Should the Jew, with the aid of his Marxist creed, triumph over the people of this world, his Crown will be the funeral wreath of mankind, and this planet will once again follow its orbit through ether, without any human life on its surface, as it did millions of years ago" - Hitler

....Is it the same faggot who keeps making GOMMIE threads everyday since xmas despite getting shit on every time?

>central planning will solve the food problem in africa

Socialism is a pretty word for an ugly idea, it's the idea people are not responsible for themselves.

That's not an argument, that's a catchphrase and a blind appeal to progress. Tell me, in your blind march forward, how do you prevent yourself from marching straight off a cliff? Not all movement is good movement.

I fail to see the connection between the hitlers clouded ideology and a communist future?
Communism is for empowering the working class to shatter our chains and seize control of the system that seeks to marginalize us. You must remember that communism defeated hitler and maligned fascism to a textbook note.

>You must remember that communism defeated hitler and maligned fascism to a textbook note.
Yes I know, you're the bad guys.

I fail to see how it will not? Investment in these areas is what we need. you can see this happening even now in the current system. I find it humorous that most on Sup Forums fear immigration but do not see investment as an alternative.

people are responsible for themselves.. from each according to their ability... to each according to their needs

>Not all movement is good movement.
you cannot stop the flow of time... our existence is a ticking clock

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>I fail to see how it will not
just look at all the economically powerful and productive centrally planned countries with your keen eyes and you will see why not.

White people set up farms and teach Africans how to work them, and as soon as the whites go back home everything goes to shit again.
Nothing can solve Africa's problems.

would you care to explain how(i assume national socialism) will benefit the world in the future... it seems a feeble attempt at marginalizing the collectivization that is the inevitable future... holding out in degenerate bands awaiting the death of our species

>Nothing can solve Africa's problems.
you're not including complete nigger removal in your solution.

cya later commies

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It worked in Burkina Faso until based Sankara got killed.

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ITT: people assuming stalin's awful oligarchy was actually real communism

Recolonization when?

china is already working on it while the west in busy possing it self up.

now arguments like this are simply degenerate.. illusory marginalization of a people based upon skin color is absolutely degenerate in these times.. yuck

Except you miss the part where ability and needs become defined by the state, because socialism not (anarcho)communism.

This is where Marxism fails. It's just left wing authoritarianism with a false promise of left libertarianism, it's false because in so far all Marxists have done is damage the people and create more need for the state. By agitating they've increased perceived poverty and perceived inequality, which has more effect on crime than real inequality, and they've promoted anti intellectual principles. By doing so, they've increased, not decreased, the need for the state.

>you cannot stop the flow of time... our existence is a ticking clock
Yet we can guide it.

With better, more well developed people there is less need for the state. With less need for the state, it can eventually dwindle into a nightwatch that can be easily ignored. Without a state, the people will be truly free. With freedom, the people can better express themselves and compete more freely. With better competition, the people are more easily selected. With greater selection, the people evolve and become better to their very core.

This is left libertarianism and at the moment it's directly opposed to Marxism.

When antifa say they're left wing anarchists, ask them why their main opponents are left wing libertarians.

again because the chinese see a future in Africa... the west does not invest because: muh racism?

if there is anything degenerate, it's keeping them around in the human genepool

Some of this is pretty bad statistic-taking but the point is true.

What happens when automatization comes?

So...
According to Google.
Marx was a Capitalist all along.

Care to explain?

They do not see a future with a self-sufficient Africa, they see a continent full of resources that aren't being utilized because... it's racist colonialism?

>ITT: people assuming stalin's awful oligarchy was actually real communism
not this meme again

>The system that cannot sustain their own countrys

Not an argument.

Well, apparently "True" Communism is...Capitalism.
So, you know.

>It's only real communism when I'm posting soviet propaganda

General AI will be the end of the human era, the only question is if they will let us live or not.

Fake and gay. Leftist idiots are just trying to come to Sup Forums to try and take it over or influence it to the dark side. Just a small aount of trolls.

Sup Forums will never be communist...ever!

why did evolution push us towards a state.. to simply believe that you can cast off the state is backwards and not supported by evolution or evidence... mutualism is what allowed us to evolve and build the world we have today.. you would have us simply return to the jungle and behave as savages? good luck convincing anyone of that ... Ha

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top tier bait but not an argument? I mean really?

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eh, given an overall lack of cohesive "national identity" in many african nations, (along with a lack of infrastructure) some form of central planning might be good as a means to strongly centralize and otherwise dispersed population so they can quit believing in goddamn witchcraft and Voodoo

not an argument

not an argument

Half of the world went communist and it lost.
Its last bastions degenerated into weirdass dictatorships on their way to death, despised militias dwindling from a lack of young recruits and the embarassing failure that is Venezuela.
Your time has come to die, no arguments are needed anymore. Only ridicule.

Then what *is* an argument, by your logic?
6 gorrilion dead commies?

>also from google
Karl Marx was a Prussian-born philosopher, economist, sociologist, journalist, and revolutionary socialist.

i think the problem is that most of the populations in the region are simply not compatible with modern forms of society and most attempts at implementing a social structure similar to those in the west on those populations is a net loss.

Fucking lol. I see that you blame capitalism for famines in communist countries. Also for the death of every person who died of a disease because capitalism. kys retard

Desperate people do desperate things, without desperation there is no need to do desperate things. Proto-civilised people were always hungry, just like wild dogs, and even went so far as cannibalism, just like wild dogs.

Civilisation creates the appearance of refined human, education creates the ability to be a refined human, evolution creates the refined human. By stepping on this process by agitating for more state, more authoritarianism and by diminishing the quality of the people, you necessarily either create a dependent weak people or you create a people simply acclimated to senseless violence and an iron fist state.

There is no sensible way you can argue this is utopian. Marxism is true cancer, it's a cancer that falsely promises freedom but never delivers as the vanguard realise they much prefer becoming the pigs.

No matter who the pigs are, they will be slaughtered and their carcasses distributed to the people. They are criminals who hate freedom and without a compliant media there would be no push back to arrest all of them for treason.

And?
That still doesn't explain how your so called hero wasn't even a commie, according to a source you lot love to cite over and over again

>implying Lenin wasn't fucking retarded.

>implying Leninism didn't give marx a bad name

Too many Goddamn Tankies.

Really Tito had some of the better systems, just a shame he died before he could really choose a successor.

Central planning has upsides and downsides. On one hand it can be a way to get industrialized/urbanized quickly.

On the other it's got some real drawbacks when it comes to efficiency, more importantly central-planning in order to "skip" industrial-capitalism is ignoring some of Karx's own ideas when it came to capitalism as a period/phase in history.
(mostly that Capitalism changes people, as in it changes the culture, the patterns of thought, consumption and behavior. and that capitalism in this sense is necessary for socialism and later communism to emerge)

you can throw out places like venezuala and I could counter with any number of capitalist shitholes... the thread is about the progression that we shall take and offer

Communism is for loser sheep. So fucking retarded that people still want to argue the benefits. I swear communists don't actually know how people operate. People need to control their own destinies. And commies at the top always end up taking all of the power (as they do in other gov forms) yet here nobody but the laziest losers win anything. Idealistic bullshit.

>the thread is about the progression that we shall take and offer
>take and offer
Take from whom exactly, and offer to who though?

The more you go on, the more you sound like a dangerous fanatic, about as mentally stable as those antifa folk...

it is more likely to occur than returning to the jungle so i believe my point still stands.. you could turn your computer off right now and head out into the woods... I would be happy to take you back in once you see the futility of that option

There are no sucessful commiholes.
There are broken capitalist states but most of them are actually improving to some extend.
Capitalism always leaves a stairway to a better future while Commishit has proven to lock you in stagnation. Your ideas lost bigly and collapsed on themselves.

You know, imo what would work far better would be some sort of modular government, that takes the best parts of various systems when it needs it.

pity that retards like op are so set in their ways they can see the value of other systems, and are so obsessed with their tribalism that their very system advocates against.

read his books my child... I do not have the time or energy to provide you with a remedial education

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spoken like a true wageslave... do you not understand that the current system is rugged individualism for the poor and socialism for the rich... as a fellow American it is truly sad that you cannot grasp the reality that you exist within

I'm afraid so

I have. They leave much to be desired. Kind of hard to take something so obsolete and outdated to heart, particularly when it, and various variations of it have failed so...spectacularly.

Also I am not your child, and do go trying to use phrasing like that, it only makes you come off as even more of a raving lunatic, and prevents pretty much anyway from taking the ideals you are trying to push seriously.

A violent revolution is all good and well, but it has its time and place. You would do well to learn some..subtlety

no country has achieved communism... most branched into socialism with varying measures of success.. communism is a world-wide shift thrust forward on the basic understanding of mutualism and science

senpai have any decent economical papers on the Sankara rule because what I could find was just some shit written by "The Party for Socialism and Liberation".

Did I ever say our system was good or not fucked? I only issues disdain for communism. We've been fucked since at least 1913.

*do not
Anyways, trying to push communism in a country that kind of built itself up, in its current state, specifically against fighting communism, well...
I mean, you can see the issues with that, right?
For christ's sake, a lot of people still think the Russians are commies and that we are "fighting" them because of that alleged fact alone.

Let me ask, do you still think China is communist?

>Feudalism evolves into mercantilism.
>Mercantilism evolves into Capitalism.
>Capitalism evolves into Socialism.
>Socialism evolves into Communism.

something to that extent, keep in mind Marx wasn't merely referring to "economic-systems" strictly, rather a more broad sense of industrial and cultural development.

not an argument? there are plenty of other threads to shitpost in.. i know the idea of actual debate in your echo chamber terrifies you...

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this is always the most garbarge thread on here. you all are a bunch of cucks. KYS. 100-200 million were killed. "not real communism" shut the fuck up you children

So you are hunting an unachievable spectre and all tries to get it resulted in misery. You talk of a worldwide push but when the world pushed back you lost.
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>Debate
>The only thing tha he is doing is shitposting images from lefty/pol/


Every Communism general thread.

Good thing I'm not an anacho-primitist then.

Technology is essential to making an authority-less state (or "minarchy") possible. Without technology, economies naturally require authority to prevent abuse since you'd otherwise have no indication who the abusive merchants are and who aren't. Only in a free information society could a free market actually work and the only good free information mechanism is the internet.

You're correct, it's not likely that we'll return to the jungle (or more specifically the equatorial Nile valley), but it's also not likely the people will accept more authoritarianism when most things can now be done without authority through technology.

You can't stop the technological libertarian revolution.

That begs the question of what Communism would evolve into under these conditions

At any rate, I don't think it would "evolve" at all, given that government is, you know, an entirely artificial thing, ideals, ideas, concepts, etc etc.
That's always something I never got about that, but I guess he really didn't have the hindsight of modern anthropology.
I wonder what he would have made of the internet, and how, despite being in a lot of cases a more or less anonymous system, has taken on more of a splintered and fractured state, with most places devolving into favoritism and sheer despotism, with the Admins and Mods having unilateral power. and everything being in the firm grip of a few individuals, with the only thing actually capable of doing something about it being outside forces (hackers), and that such a system is outright impossible to naturally develop into something like communism. Or much of anything really, without some form of massive censorship, banning/exile, etc etc.

So much for being "For the people"

>not an argument
Was I fucking talking to you?

This just shows the average IQ of the subhuman commie - to even come up with such a heaping pile of shit as shown in that pic. Commies are all low IQ subhumans who are also lazy, unambitious, undisciplined fucking losers who blame people superior to them in every aspect for their failures.
>This 120 IQ person is more successful than my 80 IQ self
>must.kill.this.person.because.opression.and.capitalist.pig
Every single commie deserves to be tortured before getting murdered. You vermin are the most vile and worthless creatures planet earth ever managed to produce. You are worse than feral niggers and islamists. Your inferior subhuman cuck DNA must be wiped out forever.

>in a country that kind of built itself up, in its current state, specifically against fighting communism, well...

I would recommend reading "A Peoples History of the United States of America"

You may have an argument that the elites in this country have attempted to malign communism... but the majority of our basic freedoms come from the concepts in communism along with our social guarantees for having a state.. you must remember that May Day is a US holiday?

Fuck you and your pic, I could be from space for all you know.

Reminder that there has been space posters here before

it is a progression.. we are on track with that progression as we speak... the sooner you get on board and we hasten the progression.. the sooner we can all be free

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really? porky has groomed you well

This guy gets it