Legal vs illegal

I don't understand what's so hard about getting citizenship??? I'm Mexican and my family immigrated here legally in the 1900s. My dad has never experienced racism or any other discrimination and neither have I????? Why can't wetbacks just take the time to get papers????

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Manufactured issues. Keeps the people divided.

Getting citizenship is very hard because the system is long and inefficient. Now, this isn't excusing illegal peices of shit, but it only makes sense we fix the system in place. My family is African and it took them forever to get papers, in fact, some are still trying to get them now.

Just thanking God I was born in America, so I don't have to deal with the citizenship and all sorts of bullshit that comes with being an immigrant

you dont understand. mexicans dont want to assimilate or be part of a culture in the host country but like to live here on tax payer expence.

This is very true.
My wife is a Polish immigrant and the process for a green card is long and tedious. It's not hard, it's just long.
Illegals want to skirt around the law and get worked up when they get caught. They are line-butters who call you names when you ask them to go to the back of the line

Half of American posters are beaners or niggers. Truly a disgusting thought.

The majority of them do. I know alot of spics that would die for this country.

I am recently a resident, generation 0 immigrant, and can explain from a different point of view why you haven't experienced any "racism."
>TL;DR There simply isn't any.
>Now, this isn't excusing illegal peices of shit
Your previous president did. One of the best carried out plans regarding this whole issue was to start calling fucking illegals "Dreamers." "You wouldn't want to cause distress to dreamer, would you? What are you? Literally Hitler?"
He put in place DACA, which meant their spawn could stick around and further drain the system. What happens after they graduate from universities subsidized by the American taxpayer (and non-American taxpayer like me)?
They saturate job markets. Avoid taxation. Cry for representation. Demand accommodation for their language, demand healthcare, and ultimately provide nothing. The reason you haven't experienced racism is because there isn't any.
> Why can't wetbacks just take the time to get papers?
Some are actually illiterate. Some are fugitives. Others, the majority, since they have no regard for the law, view crossing the border illegally as an easier task that going through not all that tough (although lengthy) paperwork.
But hey, Cheeto in chief is raycist for wanting to address a problem and therefore the problem should be ignored. And let's not even consider talk about common sense voter ID laws.

>I'm Mexican and my family immigrated here legally in the 1900s. My dad has never experienced racism or any other discrimination and neither have I
Good, this is the ideal story for an immigrant family. You're the people (legal residents, citizens) I feel worst for when I see illegal scum loitering around or committing crimes, since it makes you all look bad when you're not.
I hope the future sees a wedge driven between legal and illegal immigrants, with legal citizens helping to remove the people who cheated their way over. Your Dad did things right, those who cheat over the border can fuck off back over it.

No, if anything we should make the process longer and more difficult. Fuck off, we're full.

Thanks man. It' sucks that last names of a particular region have become tarnished by these fucks.

You really cant acquire legal residency in the United States only if you have a big business and need to expand to the U.S. You literally have to be rich to get residency.

Trust me you want to keep the illegals vs the legals ones. Hispanics commit a large number of crimes because yes they grow up poor and are also easily influenced by the negroes.

The illegals stay to themselves and just work.

They make it harder for Mexicans than other Europeans. Trust me, if there was a way for Mexicans to acquire green cards it would have been exploited and there would be no illegal immigration.

>Others, the majority, since they have no regard for the law, view crossing the border illegally as an easier task that going through not all that tough (although lengthy) paperwork.
This, basically. A friend of my mother's who went to the university and has a stable job here went to the USA with a vacation visa and tried to stay working as a waitress, just because she could. Obviously she got jailed and deported, the dumb bitch.
Pro-immigrants are dumb or hypocritical. Nobody needs to go to the USA.

Lol you would rather live in Colombia?

I would rather live legally because I can have a good job. Going to the US to work as a slave doesn't sound appealing.
Right now I can pay my basic expenses with a part-time job thanks to luck and education, so yes, Colombia is great for me. If you get me a legal stay in the US I'll probably take it so I can send money home, however.
One fifth of the country lives in the capital, actually. Everyone probably thinks this place is a shithole (which is just fine, I don't want immigrants here), and it damn well is if you look at the vast jungle in the south, but the few cities are pretty much like poor parts of the US.

It requires you to obey the law.

Colombia is a shit hole though. Theres a lot of Colombians living in Southern Mexico now. Your economy changed after Pablo's death and all cocaine production moved to Peru.

well, what am I supposed to do? Convince you that I am, in fact, not starving and looking through trash? I'm shitposting here on a tuesday morning. There.
I know half of this country is poor and I'm not claiming otherwise, the point is that I'm part of the not-poor group. Furthermore, the people who try to migrate to the US illegally are rich enough to buy plane tickets, so they don't need to go there to live. Maybe Mexicans have an excuse since it's nearby, but even so there are always more advantages to staying legal.

They make it harder for Mexicans because the majority of Mexicans who apply for a visa aren't high skilled workers, their low skill, low education laborers. The visa applicants from, say Germany, Sweden (white), or even Spain are, on average, more skilled and more educated than the Mexicans, not to mention that the Euros can understand what the fuck a queue is and aren't impatient enough to line jump like the beaners.
I have experience in the ol' visa program, not me personally but literally everyone else in my family when we moved here from Norway.

In Mexico you work for $13 a week at the most.

Thats how much you can make in an hour in the United States.

Tell me you wouldnt want to immigrate to the U.S. if you faced that hardship

Face the facts, your people are easily accepted in the U.S. because of the color of your skin.

But to fair, white Mexicans have it easier than straight up brown skins. It is why you dont see so many white skin Mexicans crossing the border illegaly, it is always the shitskin who run across the desert.

White skins get a tourist visa easily and just overstay. Granted it has become much harder to do that ever since the patriot act.

And in Mexico things cost far less, just like here.
Don't tell me you can't make money in Mexico, mate. Don't tell me a city with more than 20 million people does not have a job for you.
And don't tell me Mexico is a shithole full of muh gangs, because even at its worst, with Pablo Escobar having the whole government on his palm, Colombia's narco gangs were more of a liability than a plague.

George Lopez is worth 30 million dollars.

You don't understand the process, which is why you're say retarded shit like this

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Nah there is far more opportunity now in Mexico than there ever was, which is why Mexican immigration is at a net zero right now.

The only ones trying to cross now are the fucking central and south Americans.

In Mexico, things are actually more expensive. Which is why you see many Mexicans at the malls during Christmas time buying clothes and all that to take back home.

>and don't tell me Mexico is a shithole full of muh gangs
This one always gets me.
"I'm going to get away from scary gangs by moving to a minimum rent area in a major U.S. city."

Because most spics are absolute scum.
>Getting citizenship is very hard because the system is long and inefficient
As it should be. We shouldn't let in just any scum who want to come.
>it only makes sense we fix the system in place.
There is nothing to fix.
>My family is African
Oh, of course you're a nigger.

>Pablo trying to educate an American about America

My 'people' are accepted because the ones who come to the US are doing so for their professions, either for business or education, like my parents.
The ones trying to enter from Mexico are not. They are just trying to enter for a chance at a better life, no harm there it's what any reasonable person would do. The problem arises when the linejumpers enter illegally because they onto understand the simple concept of a queue, spoiling people's attitude and generosity towards the darker skinned people because they don't know 100% if they entered legally or not.

Fucking this!

How is DACA even Constitutional? Someone in one of my college lectures is here on DACA lool.

I know a preacher couple(in America) came from your shithole country. I think both of their families were there illegally(The overstaying visas kind). Her family was deported(and went to Canada, lel) and his family is fighting deportation. If it was up to me they would've just been killed.

>except he's right
The system is like it is right now because either weeds out the ones who are too lazy to fill out the paperwork and the ones who can't (illiterates are not needed here).

>You don't understand the process, which is why you're say retarded shit like this
Probably not fully, no. I hear it's really difficult and stuff though. Takes like 20 years or some shit. Which is good, I want to slow down on legal immigration as well as kicking out illegals. We dont need more people here. But I'm not saying a full halt. I just like a slow process.

There is no line as a Mexican. There is no wait. You cant come to the U.S. to live there is no wait for it and there is no opportunity to do. You can only get across with a tourist visa that is heavily regulated in our modern era.

European whites have it easier because there is a wait for them.

Mexico is far richer than us, and we still have a stable condition here. Sure, an unskilled worker doesn't have the power to leave the country, but euros/anglos have a different idea of what being poor means. If you can support a family, you're out of poverty.
Most people who go to the US illegally are unapologetic scum who want easy money, it's as simple as that. Maybe you feel bad for them and want them to get their money so they can support their family back home in Oaxaca, but the mindset is "go to the US, get mad money, fuck bitches, upgrade my family". If you want to let these people infest your country, I can't stop you.
At least we're trying to get rid of the Venezuelan fucks who are coming here just before their ship tips over.
It's so sad to accept that my country is full of rats.

Illegal aliens and currently legal aliens.

Just focus deportation priorities on people with criminal backgrounds and those applying for DACA get sent to the back of the line, meanwhile they get a work permit so they can take care of themselves while the government figures out what to do with them.

I am American, just in Spain a while, dipshit.

kys Pablo

In my limited experience, this is the case. A couple clients that came through here were the most American fuckers I ever saw, and they were super spic.

>figures out what to do with them.
What's thsre to figure out? You kill invaders.

There is no paperwork to fill out retard.

If there was, you can bet there would be a high demand of lawyers that would help the "uneducated illiterate" Mexicans set foot in the United States for a pretty penny.

Why shouldn't they just get sent back?

Fuck off back to rabbit

Because many of them were brought here as kids and didnt know better.

There is a huge divide between rich and poor Mexicans. Yes Mexico is rich as fuck but there is no middle class in Mexico, which is what Mexico is trying to create right now with automobile manufacturing.

Fuck bitches, get money, create a family, work hard, isnt that what America is all about? It is for me.

Giving citizenship to the children of illegals is a dumb fucking policy. Everything would be easier without it.
As a kid, you belong to your parents.

There is a line you baboon. It's filled with people from around the globe. Chinese have to wait and fill out the same paperwork as an Ausie shitposter or a British citizen. You clearly have no concept of the ins and outs of the immigration system like I do.

Then their parents should explain why they're getting deported. Also if they're kids, they are requried to be in school which means that taxpayers gotta spend money on these illegals. So let them stay?

Most likely hispanic/chicanos, not Mexicans.

Most of my family is either citizen or some form of legal status.

We all stand for the anthem and root for the US in sports and generally like conservative ideas.

Personally came to this country dirt poor and never asked for a hand-out. I worked with my father in construction jobs since the age of 14 during the summer.

There is no citizenship for dreamers.

ILLEGALS still pay taxes, sales tax, property tax when they rent rooms, some even pay job pay tax.

As said before, if you're ok with massive immigration making things worse for you, go for it.
Just an example:
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Farming industries need illegals because only they work for the peanuts that the industries pay. But why do they pay peanuts? Because Americans want a decent pay! Create an immigrant problem and then claim the situation needs more immigrants, gg. You'll see more bullshit like this if you care to look.

The only people we should be accepting are Western Europeans.

Massive immigration is a meme. It is a scapegoat to blame the lack of unemployed to the common folk. In reality, there are tons of blue collar jobs that are available to those who wish to learn the trade but most Americans are graduating with liberal arts degrees and they sure dont know how to weld. Instead they bitch to the government as to why they cant find jobs and the government puts the blame on the illegals, who dont vote.

Ok but if you were illegal, chances are you prob just work for cash and use all cash. Why would you pay taxes and risk getting discovered? Illegals paying taxes would literally be making less money and putting them at risk of discovery. There's actually incentive for them not to pay tax.

1900's
Immigration papers aren't that fucking easy Javier
I'm a legal Mexican
It took my parents ten years to get through all the loopholes, driving for paperwork, other stupid shit
It would've taken longer if my grandma hadn't technically been born in the u.s,
Even with that advantage, it still took TEN FUCKING YEARS

Theres such thing as a sales tax. Illegals gotta live somewhere right? They rent out rooms from desperate real estate agents with no questions asked and pay property tax., the list goes on.

And they're graduating with liberal arts because welding has been taken up by illegals in a similar manner. gg

Hmm nahh it has more to do with the fact that nobody wants to be a plumber or a welder. It is frowned upon.

Thousands of Americans reject good pay because "it is frowned upon".

True but they still pay less than others since they really wouldn't pay income tax. Also, they probably buy much less things since they're miles poorer. In other words they're still a burden to our society and should be gotten rid of.

So?

keep crying beaner

Youd be suprised the amount of illegals that pay income tax.

It took my family the same. We still did it.
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Tell me what kid in the United States aspires to be a welder.

>Tell me what kid in Colombia aspires to be a welder
Grow up.

Streamlining the Visa system would at the very least reduce the demand for smugglers. Might help against the drug trade.

I understand why you wouldn't believe this Columbia, but in progressive circles blue-collar work is considered quasi-sinful. I live in a college town and know many people in their 20s-30s working retail when there are better entry level plumber/electrician jobs easily available. No society is above weird cultural taboos like that.

>in progressive circles
There we go, thanks for saying it first. You're not the majority of America, you belong to a select circle just like I do. The difference is that I'm not so disconnected.

Right, but only in progressive circles to people want to import brown people to do physical labor. "Red Tribe" whites who value skilled blue-collar work consistently complain about immigrants and worry about them taking their jobs.

Keep in mid these two groups are often geographically separated, so you have whole towns or cities where few whites want to maintain basic infrastructure. They recoil at the idea of allowing redecks or rust belters in, so hispanics "need to be" imported to do the work instead.

Good for you columbia user, my family is from ecuador maybe one day we can reunite to form grand columbia again sonthings can actually improve im our countries. for now thought nothing connects me to ecuador and i hate canada but i would fight and die to save western values.