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/lrg/ LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL - Hoppean Snake Memes EDITION
Bentley Williams
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Andrew Cooper
GENERAL READING LIST:
>The Law - Frédéric Bastiat
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>Free To Choose - Milton and Rose Friedman
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>Hayek’s The Constitution of Liberty - Eugene F. Miller
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>Liberalism: In the Classical Tradition - Ludwig von Mises
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>Man, Economy, and State - Murray N. Rothbard
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>Anatomy of the State
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>Egalitarianism as a Revolt Against Nature, and Other Essays - Murray N. Rothbard
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Christopher Smith
HOPPE READING LIST:
>Articles by Hans-Hermann Hoppe
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>The Economics and Ethics of Private Property
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>A Short History of Man: Progress and Decline
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>Democracy - The God That Failed
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>A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism
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>From Aristocracy, to Monarchy, to Democracy
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>The Myth of National Defense: Essays on the Theory and History of Security Production
mises.org
>The Private Production of Defense
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>Economic Science and the Austrian Method
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>What Must Be Done
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Xavier Nelson
So, where my bad goys at?
Bump for recreational napalm.
Camden Baker
Put together a contra reading package with stuff like the Communist Manifesto
Zachary Rodriguez
Get this bread goin'
Luis Smith
Present!
Wyatt Powell
Daily reminder that National (((Socialism))).
That's already it.
Alexander Thompson
You said "the more people you enfranchise the worse it gets." If this principle is correct, the North Korea should be the most economically free country on the planet. Instead, the opposite is true. South Korea is a democracy with full voting rights for everybody, yet it is much more free economically.
Ian Thomas
It's true, people compare Donald Trump to Hitler yet the latter was a Socialist, wasn't he?
Nathaniel Cook
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Luis Foster
Yes, Hitler was just a dirty little socialist ... literally
Caleb Wilson
Damn bro you have the OP pic from my original lrg thread. You're fucking legit homes.
Carson Nelson
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Otherwise Anatomy of the State and the Democracy - The God That Failed for educational purposes.
Julian Gray
I already got that in the reading list. Also snort stuff from Rothbard and other >BASED Jews.
Elijah Morales
FREE HELICOPTER RIDES
Luis Ward
I'm leaning more and more towards anarcho-capitalism on most things, except I can't accept the ancap stance on national borders and defence. You can't have a nation without a national border, and you can't have the purest form of individual rights and then putting a border around "our" country. Is there any way to justify a national border as an ancap?
Right now I would describe myself as a minarchist, but it seems very impure. I feel like a coward for saying ''well taxation is absolutely morally wrong but we still need a little of it''. I feel like I just need to cut to the chase and either become an ancap or kiss private property rights and the NAP goodbye.
John Walker
Debated some of them lately. They seem content with being drones for a larger group instead of being actual persons. Forget anything I said about letting them have a covenant, ultimately they're as expansionist as the commies.
Ian Hill
I know. My post was not just bait, I actually mean it. NS is a faggot ideology just the other maxist branches are.
Jacob Morales
>Amerifat flag recognition
And yet you wonder why people hate you.
The flag you linked to? That's Slovenia with their cute Triglav and no based doublecross.
Me, I'm Slovak, and although I like our little cousin in the south, I wouldn't want it any other way.
Whatever, Kim Joke Un starves his people and they love him. Truly the laughing stock of the world.
The "democracy breeds collectivism" argument is meant to be compared to monarchies and dictatorships that don't subscribe to any commie/Juche ideology.
Kayden Ross
so how do you stop degeneracy?
Kayden Sanders
I can't answer your questions as I'm not inside anarcho-capitalism but I know that Hoppe has written extensively on Immigration and "National" Defense. If you search for it you'll easily find it.
James Myers
Trump is more left-leaning than I'd like, but we need to break down the machine that props up the ZOG, and he's the perfect one for it.
However, if he enacts socialist policies like the dumbass Spencer wants him to, he's going to fail.
Jordan Wood
The property (commodity land) you own ends at some point in phsyical space, except you own the whole planet.
That's where your principles start and the other's end. That's therefore the border of your microstate.
Levi Garcia
Pretty sure South Korea is a corporatist style of governing just like Japan.
Colton Butler
By excluding degenerates from your house, street, shop, etc. Form your covenant conservative communities.
Jacob White
From a libertarians point of view there is literally nothing wrong with what ZOG does.
Dominic Long
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Joshua Edwards
Explain.
Anthony Lee
Fucking top shit, mate. The axe in the fasces should be an ICBM and it'd be the
>bomb
Yeah, fucking happy that your project took off. LET FREEDOM RING IN THE EARS OF OUR ENEMIES IN THE FORM OF MACHINE GUN FIRE
PHYSICALLY REMOVE THOSE WHO INSULT HOPPE
NUKE THOSE WHO INSULT ROTHBARD
THROW THOSE WHO INSULT PINOCHET FROM HELICOPTERS
Grayson Parker
So whats stopping a city of degenerates from developing then influencing your children to be degenerate?
I guess you can just lock your children in a cage.
What happens when a child in that community becomes a land owner then becomes a degenerate? What happens when someone buys property in that community who is secretly a degenerate?
How do you stop someone from selling a house to a degenerate?
Your ideology only works with this silly idea that friendship magic power will save the day.
Lucas Jones
The national border is formed by the outside border of properties of individuals/communities of a single nation. Thus, there are going to be some enclaves and irregularities, but it's mostly the same because convenience.
Jose Morales
They're not free if you benefit from them in the long run.
Gabriel Gutierrez
If he promotes degeneracy, he broke the covenant, therefore he is physically removed.
Nathan Ramirez
In terms of economic freedom, South Korea is ranked 23, Japan is 40. North Korea is dead last at 180.
Jose Stewart
Yes. I used to think that they might be tolerated after the Great War to end all wars, but nah. They'll catch their breath and catch you with your pants down. Exterminate them and crush their slave hordes.
Cooper Lewis
Absolutely based, some will say that helicopter rides are not voluntary. But we know they agreed to the ride the second they showed their commie faces in ansnekistan.
Kevin Fisher
Whats wrong with infiltrating all media and creating propaganda? Whats wrong with a group of extremely rich people pooling their resources to control every single aspect of your life?
Blake Russell
And if the degenerates happen to come over and try to influence your children directly so to speak, they violated the NAP and you retaliate with recreational nukes
Easton Sullivan
Doesn't this mean that it's basically open borders? Since everyone on the border with private property has the freedom of association, so they can invite whoever they want onto their property.
Jonathan Wood
Bump.
Heil Hoppe.
Thomas Anderson
But thats not libertarian at all. Thats called fascism. Unless of course you are so retarded you really think citizens will all team up together to remove degenerates that are harmless on a individual scale.
Jose Jones
You're free to associate with people with your own ideals and free to exclude people with conflicting ideals.
What's stopping all that from happening to Amish people right now?
The fact that Amish do not put up with that shit. They don't sell their land to degenerates and they do not associate with degenerates. Government has little to nothing to d with morality.
Adrian Carter
Toss them into the street. They devalue all around them, they're a nuisance, a pest. Men ain't created equal.
Elijah Sanchez
It's enhanced and pushed by the government, too. That's what's wrong with it.
checkmate atheists
No. If they try to step on your property and you happen not want to have them then they're committing an act of war and are phsyically removed. And if they happen to be part of your community already then it doesn't bother you anyway.
Joshua Price
All they did speak their mind? Do they not have free speech?
So getting into an argument with someone is a violation of the NAP?
You people are more retarded than communists.
Colton Howard
So an ethostate is a nogo?
Wyatt Phillips
If he does it on your property then it ain't fascism.
The point is not that they wouldn't be allowed to speak their mind. If they do it on their property, nothing's gonna stop them. If they start to influence your property (by destriction, throwing shit on your lawn so to speak) by that or would do it directly on your property and you're against that, then you're free to retaliate.
Eli Cook
There is no right to free speech in a community with dedication to an idea. If you oppose the covenant you aren't entitled to occupy it.
Liam Carter
>What's stopping all that from happening to Amish people right now?
Nobody gives a shit about the amish. If they did you can bet your ass there wouldn't be any amish people around today.
This is a horrible argument though by the way.
>look this commune works therefore communism will work
>look this amish community works therefore anarchism would work.
Jason Bailey
see Your property, your rights and principles.
Eli Nelson
North Korea Is best Korea
Sebastian Green
> monarchist sympathizer
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Gabriel Price
No, what I mean is for example you have one crazy liberal living in your country who invites thousands upon thousands of muslims onto his own private property. So now you have thousands of Muslims in your country and there's nothing you can do about it, because they have the right to be there because they were invited into your crazy lib's private property. Also, these thousands of Muslims can now invite their friends and family over too.
Andrew Sanchez
>If they do it on their property, nothing's gonna stop them
Pretty easy to circumvent this supposed rule then.
>If they try to step on your property and you happen not want to have them then they're committing an act of war and are phsyically removed.
That's literally not any different than how the world works right now. If somebody is trespassing on your property, you can call the police and have them removed.
Oliver King
>If he does it on your property then it ain't fascism.
Ok so whats stopping a bunch of super rich people from buying huge swaths of land than forcing people on it to pay rent while enforcing any laws they please?
Oh no! this doesn't sound like paradise anymore! It must not be true libertarianism.
So what about tv? If tv broadcasts a propaganda show is that a violation?
Its like your mentally living in the middle ages.
Hey everybody posting. This website is actually private property and if you don't stop you will be banned.
Alexander Reyes
The most of the hoppeans on here want to throw blacks out of helis because they have a lower avarege iq. Should the ~25% of whites with a iq lower than the average blacks should be thrown out.
Chase Gutierrez
Has Hoppe ever talked on about the principalities (micronations/states) in Europe?
Isaac Russell
>it's not feudalism when we do it
Julian Jackson
Would take more seriously if you said "the physical removal of Jews and communists"
Lucas Diaz
>one world government
>no chance to leave to another country
>no guns or self defence
>no voluntary association
>degeneracy paid for by MY money
>socialist policies
>niggers running wild in the virgin nature of the Slovak Paradise - just that alone makes me want to murder something
>no freedom at all
YEAH I GUESS I'M VERY OKAY WITH THAT, I GUESS I'LL VOTE FOR ENSLAVEMENT JUST BECAUSE IT'S "VIRTUOUS" ENSLAVEMENT
Fashies will be hammered against a wall that their precious taxes paid for.
Blake Kelly
Not in a libertarian society.
This is so retarded
>be your ideal society
>people start making more money than others
>people start selling their property to survive cold winters
>people start buying property and renting them out
>Rich people give this property to their children
>children buy even more property
>starts setting rules for his property
>hires military to enforce his rules
>can kill anybody at any time for being on his property
Congratulations its medieval Europe all over again.
Have fun living in a monarchy.
Easton Martin
Amish is just the example that first came to my mind, but the point is the same. Government is not the source of morality, and people with similar morals with tend to group together. For example, communities with the best safety standards are safe because their members agree that killing and stealing is bad, they have high moral standards, not because there's a law agaist it. In the same way that whole cities with the highest crime rate are bad because their members have low morals and agree that stealing and killing are acceptable forms of enrichment, despite a law existing against it.
Hunter Collins
Saved, doing God's work user.
Jose King
For the ones on here that want a dictator to clean out the commies before establishing a stateless ancap society.
Wont you fall into the same trap that Leninists and Maoists fall into when the dictator promises to step down but never does
Ryan Harris
>this thread
Top cringe.
Hunter Kelly
>buying all the property in the world is bad
>not letting people enter your property is bad
>not letting people to carry guns in your property is bad
>not letting me pay for degeneracy with your rent money
>not an argument
>Not letting me choose who lives in my property
>Not letting me enforce extreme rules on my property.
Caleb Peterson
But your whole point can be applied to anything (government system) such as, that goes on even today in our "democratic" society.
Andrew Hernandez
>Government is not the source of morality
Of course not. It is, however, the a wonderful instrument for enforcing morality.
>and people with similar morals with tend to group together
This is literally how governments form.
Michael Jackson
They are removed.
>super rich
People are free to buy or sell. But would people sell their land which is the basis of their existence ? There's no safety net. Either you have a house with a garden or you don't.
I mean that doesn't mean that people couldn't by massive amounts of land somehow anyway, I just don't think that's something that would happen.
But one thing is that they cannot force anyone unto that land. People are free. They can choose not to live there. Then their huge amounts of land backlash into economic disaster. Ergo they'd sell the land again and viola, free market.
>tv
No one has "compulsory tv time". If you cannot change the fact, turn the tv off or produce your own movies/series/whatever.
I'm not mentally in middle ages.
Alexander Roberts
They do this by state control, given to them by their puppets (neo-libs and neo-cons) who were pushed there by the main media narrative and controlled opposition.
Christopher Richardson
Heil Hoppe indeed.
One day, you shall remove kebab and have no ZOG to bomb you for it. Europa belongs to the Europeans, all of it.
Sebastian Cooper
>cities with the highest crime rate are bad because their members have low morals
niggers. Its genetic
Government is the only source of enforcing morality.
What you are claiming is that not a single person will ever be greedy enough to ditch their morals. This is your claim.
Not a single person will every give up on their morals for survival?
Ok, again your a naive retard. For your system to work everybody has to be very moral to the point where they would rather die than live a traitor. This is not realistic at all.
Jordan Reed
regarding :
The point is that anything that violates your property rights is a violation of the NAP as the violation of property rights (assumed it was done maliciously) can be seen as expansionist attempt to undermine or damage you and your property and ultimately take it over.
Adrian Diaz
>private enemy number one
kekd
Joshua Morgan
As in preferring monarchy to democracy. It's slightly less shit, whichever way you take it. Like Hoppe said, most of the world's problems would not exist had monarchies remained dominant in the world.
Dominic Wright
>needing governments to enforce morality
It doesn't work as society today clearly shows that. I do agree with the second point on government formation.
Hunter Richardson
>le gods work
You need to go back to redit.
Cameron Long
Sorry (((Ancaps))), but you and I both know that land is very finite, and we all know the conclusions of your contrarian child's edgy meme ideology. Nice try though.
Jeremiah Sanders
>I mean that doesn't mean that people couldn't by massive amounts of land somehow anyway, I just don't think that's something that would happen.
It's utterly baffling that you'd think "one guy owning shitloads of land" is somehow an implausible scenario. That's basically how kingdoms start. One guy (and his family) controls a shitload of land, he declares himself king, and says that everybody within that land must pay him for the privilege of living there and follow whatever other laws he happens to come up with.
Brody Sanders
The difference is, you'd be participating out of free will, and would be also free to go away or just keep dong your own thing in your property, not being coerced into someone's else morality, like now.
Jaxson Rodriguez
He mentioned Austro-Hungary both on the good and the bad side of it, the good being a traditional monarchy (it was quite lit when you weren't getting lit up by kebab terrorists - yes, even back then) and the bad being the FUCKING 14 NATIONS LIVING INSIDE OF IT. That's bound to fall, and it would regardless of the outcome of WWI.
John Ward
>It doesn't work as society today clearly shows that
Generally speaking, it does, actually. It's generally very hard to steal from or kill other people without getting caught and thrown in jail.
Noah James
>implying i like democracy
>implying this will happen in a fascist society
>implying this will happen in a constitutional monarchy.
It won't because only one person truly owns property and this time we know who it is and we aren't pretending to be something we aren't.
Charles Foster
When there's competition among the princes, boy oh boy does their kindness and quality of protection increase if they can help it. Just look at Assad.
Oliver Green
Ancaps are too autistic to realise that anarchism creates a power vacuum which is always filled by a warlord faction, something which has been repeated in history thousands of times.
Gabriel Hughes
Democracy doesn't work.
Hudson Robinson
>and says that everybody within that land must pay him for the privilege of living there and follow whatever other laws he happens to come up with.
Not saying you're wrong, it sounds like any other system honestly. This discussion is going nowhere except the fact that you will have to bend thy knee in some form or another.
Hudson Davis
That's plain wrong. The government does not enforce morality. If it did, there would be no crime anywhere. And there were no tax, because tax are immoral.
What the government enforces is it's own preservation and expansion in any sector in which it can apply violence upon the citizens and sometimes - in case of hegemonial states like USA - also foreigners in their own countries.
I didn't say it's not plausible. I said it's not quite likely to go as far as that. And if it would come to that scenario, people - and I emphazise that - COULD NOT BE FORCED to live on that land which would render it useless unless the landlord had a backup plan.
Nolan Morgan
LMAO dude fuck the Roman emperor. He won't let me smoke weed. Lets get rid of this government it'll be paradise.
Hunter Peterson
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Jeremiah Davis
The problem with all of these premises, is that you're operating under the assumption that you are going to start off with property. That's not necessarily the case.
It actually works pretty darn well.
Adrian Brown
religion is the only source of enforcing morality.
What you are claiming is that not a single state worker will ever be greedy enough to ditch their morals. This is your claim.
Not a single person will ever give up on their morals for state power?
Ok, again your a naive retard. For your system to work everybody has to be very moral to the point where they would rather die than live a traitor. This is not realistic at all.
Jeremiah Thomas
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Ryder Foster
>What you are claiming is that not a single person will ever be greedy enough to ditch their morals. This is your claim.
Not at all. People can change morals, and also their neighbors can stop associating with that person. You become a pariah if you do not fit with your community's morals. Of course you can keep being a degenerate in your own home but you won't be welcome in the community, and shunned by your family.
Now explain this weird fasination you have with your own morals being imposed on everybody.
Daniel Fisher
No it doesn't.
>It's generally very hard to steal from or kill other people without getting caught and thrown in jail.
You're only using two examples? States have morality laws that regard different aspects of society that get broken daily. Also what are cities? Most murders go unsolved, and stealing is very common in life. In fact I stole 20 bucks yesterday.
Austin Brooks
>Taxes are immoral
Is renting immoral?
>If it did, there would be no crime anywhere
>expecting a 100% effective rate
You are truly autistic.
>What the government enforces is it's own preservation and expansion in any sector in which it can apply violence upon the citizens and sometimes
A business does the same thing. It doesn't matter what you call it.
Lucas Davis
>Mosleyfag mad that the upholders of liberty have returned to claim what's theirs
Go suck some more Aryan blood.
Kayden Davis
Oi lads. Can someone explain to me AnCap? I get the free market shit but I don't understand the laws and court system. Like lets say I take a shit all over your garden. That's violating the NAP. How would you take me to court? How do private courts work? How would it be decided what the charges would be?
Gabriel Cox
I wasn't implying, I was just pointing out.
I agree wholeheartedly