/syp/ General - Jordan Peterson Thread

Calling Bucko's and Buckette's from far and wide

This thread is for discussion of Dr Jordan Peterson's ideas, particularly his notion of taking responsibility and sorting yourself out.

Want to affect change in your own life? Your families? You community? This guy has some inspiring advice.

Want to learn how to make deadly arguments?

Want to be smarter than all the idealogues on both the left and the right?

Want to stop being a puppet who keeps having their strings pulled?

Have a seat user, we're here to help.

Here is a compilation video for those who may not have heard the Gospel of Peterson.

youtube.com/watch?v=0AuRNff4kvA

Meme's and experiences welcome. How has your life changed? What do you do differently? How has your perspective changed on life?

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Guess that should have been /syo/ General, looks like I'd better take the typo dragon more seriously

Personally I've found that peterson's call to set high goals is extremely effective. For the first time in my life I feel as though I can see my life 5-10 years down the road.

Makes decisions and staying on track a lot more natural when you're in the light

I'm also going through JBPs reading list, hopefully when I'm done them his Maps of Meaning text will be more manageable

Jordan is also going to be back on Joe Rogan. His appearance on that podcast is now in the top 10, with almost 1.5 million views.

This is a philosophy discussion, not a cat video

youtu.be/04wyGK6k6HE

Peak at his reading list

Could we put a notice at the end of every JBP general? Something like, "Report and ignore the crazy Canadian shitposter. He only comes to these threads to troll and divide." It happens every thread.

Money talks, the people support JBP

I don't think he's awake this early

I wish he was at least funny.

I woke up at 5 am and cleaned my room. Felt great.
That's fantastic that he will be back. His first interview was my introduction to him.

One thing I've paid more attention to in my life is organizing my time carefully. I work full time and have 2 young children, so downtime is sparse and precious. If I don't plan, it melts away unused.


One of the Call to Arms that Peterson does so effectively is telling men that they not only have a duty, that it will make them engaged in life and feel as though they are living in a meaningful way when they answer the call.

Rogan really was the podcast that launched a billion buckos. I'm amazed to see how far the views have climbed.

Anyone here done the self authoring?

What's with all the rescue your father crap. My dad's both an idiot and a total loser, why am I supposed to somehow change that.

im up to maps of meaning on his podcast series!

>high goals
how? I cant manage to do it

t. sunshine

archetypes are no joke

EXACTLY THO

archetypes and necessary subtlety
>the fatherland

demon!

get out of my head!!

What a coincidence, I've been binging on JBP videos all day. I'm really gonna try to put some of his ideas into practice, especially the stuff about integrating your shadow self.

Jordan Peterson got majorly exposed by Sam Harris in their debates. He showed outside of the realm of gender pronouns he's all fluff. Sam established that Peterson bases his worldview on myth and his definition of truth is relative at best. How can you possible judge his motivations to be just in that prism? I wish Hitch were still around to put him in his place.

Sam Harris absolutely blew him the fuck out. Peterson is good when giving lectures but terrible in conversation and debates

Was gonna try it today but seems like the code to get it free has expired and I couldn't be fucked spending money on it.

What is your definition of truth?

What's the alternative? All you guys ever do is deconstruct. Myth is more than just stories, they are told by people who were just like you or me with the exact same questions. The difference is, they and people like JP attempt to create workable solutions. You useless fucks just jerk off and watch everything around you burn.

>Sam Harris absolutely blew him the fuck out. Peterson is good when giving lectures but terrible in conversation and debates

nice pasta faggit

There is speculation and there is truth. Truth is what we can prove empirically, before that, with gathering evidence, you're somewhere on that continuum from speculation to truth.

They did not have the same exact questions as us, at least not as me. They also asked questions in a context far removed from our level of understanding. We can appreciate our similarities to these people, like we can from the pompeii graffiti, but it makes no sense to order our lives around what they thought we should.

Peterson uses examples from Harry Potter and Pinnochio too, are those too far removed from you to be of value?

This guy has many hours worth of content. Where should I start?

kek so what? someone wrote something true, or likely to be true, into the story and JBP extracted it. It isn't ground breaking.

your 77 id get gives protection

>someone wrote something true, or likely to be true, into the story and JBP extracted it

So you're saying there is truth in myth?

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ahh, you're trying to trip me up. My criticism of his basis on myth and his definition of truth were separate.

FUCKING

POST-MODERNIST

Considering none of us has the full truth and we are always on the continuum between speculation and truth, I can't see the problem in him trying to base all his psychological stuff on myths.

I'm not trying to trip you up, you're doing just fine with that all by yourself.

These threads get a lot of guys criticizing Dr. Peterson but they never get good arguments for that.
I understand that talking in pictures and archetypes might sound silly at first and they are inherently vague sounding, but they map really well onto certain life situations.

Because it's much more fallible than empirical data, brain scans, statistics. He can only say things based on conjecture or passed down conjecture.

What's your strongest example

I think he's though on the snake in the garden of eden being the predator in ourselves is interesting

I'll agree with the first point.
I think his stuff works best for people that are in some form depressed and have let their life gotten messy and/or have lost their ability of holding or making a goal.
It's for people that feel like there is an impassible mountain in front of them now and they will have to take its windy, exhausting and dark roads to feel better again.
This doesn't sound like gibberish to me but it might to someone else. My pictures aren't your pictures but we can have similar themes. Maybe one day there are technological ways to actually find some establish-able truth in there, I don't know, for now there is nothing like that.

As to giving a strong example, I wish I could right now, but I don't have one at the moment. His stuff is always very dense and it gets very personal for me, I try to deeply reflect in those moments. I'll definitely try to prepare something for the next time I get asked this.

explain this

All our attempts to understand consciousness are pretty flawed at the moment, partly because we really don't understand the brain that gives rise to it, but even worse we don't even understand the matter that our brain is made of. We are so far from any definitive, empirically based truths on consciousness, morality, or free will that it's impossible to even attempt to discuss them within the confines of science. It's all speculation, that will probably be continue to be fundamentally altered long after our deaths. Science cannot answer all questions, it has never been able to and it's possible it never will be able.

And yet humans have progressed and managed for hundreds of thousands of years without science all the same. And a lot of that is thanks to the religions and mythologies we have constructed/evolved alongside us to instruct us of lessons from the past and how we should live our lives, and why we should tolerate the suffering.

And as Sam Harris said, none of this means you should treat religion any different to Dostoevsky, it's a good book that holds some great truth within it, no need to worship it or deify the author.
But Dostoevsky got there before Nietszche, the storytellers and artists get there long before anyone comes along who is capable of articulating it, there is something to that, and it says something about the massive importance that art, story and religion holds to societies and individual humans. If we lose that who knows what will come, it's naive to think we're at some forefront of human history where everything is so different and new. The weakening of religious belief is not a new phenomena, it's old and has been seen countless times, and the consequences of it are well known.

We cannot dispense with it, it's fundamental to our being, it always has been. Right now we need to modify it and reconcile it with the modern world, yet again.

If you 'sort everything in your life out' you will have an extremely solid base within yourself.
Make everything that bothers you in your immediate vicinity and that you are actually capable of fixing, right, be it things in your home or you family.
On top of such a fundament you can build something very powerful.

Post that over at r/Jordan_Peterson_Memes for mad upvotes.

"your father" is a symbol for the masculine force in life - chiefly it is the order that civilization and culture that imposes order onto chaos.

rescuing your father is restoring the old traditions anew, thereby maintaining order against an uncaring and chaotic universe.

sort yourself out.

t. bucko

>admitting to browsing reddit
Fuck off already. Sup Forums is a different website with a different culture.

yeah that was great. As a philosophy grad myself I was impressed he was arguing some serious philosophy at the end. If he does nothing else than to get people to read Solzhenitsyn and Orwell, he will have done a great service.

I would add Huxley's 'Perennial Philosophy' too in the sorting oneself out vein

'The Father' is your deep, traditional culture. The culture got moribund, and the Hero has to rescue it - I think, realize for himself that there's value to it (it lasted eons after all) and maybe brush it up a bit and revive it. My understanding.

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that is a cool shop. if only she had a little semen on her chin

Iris Chang RIP

Cosby? Srsly?

T.brainlet
Sort your intellectual abilities out

Not definitive - maybe if you wanted to be systematic watch one of his recent 'Maps of Meaning' semesters, but, if you want bites, "Bite-sized philosopher" breaks out digestible chunks:

youtube.com/channel/UCo9QgwWCNEhDxL1gH-jxa8Q

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he is talking Minfulness Meditation here, 'Waking Up' as in Sam Harris

Peterson and Harris are answering the call for Public Intellectuals in the Age of Internet Nihilism

>Internet Nihilism
nihilism is a lot older than that, and it's thanks to the internet that we have easy access to people like harris and peterson.

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Harris is way too autistic, Peterson is more human

Something is wrong with Harris, but he is pretty smart and has at least tried the guru games, so he knows whereof he rants, but is too enamored of Scientism despite having blasted his cortex with LSD

sounds like he's saying don't be a cuckservative and also tidy your room.

the father is an archetype. Your real father only embodies the archetype to the extent that he can.

That is why we have godparents because you know about this archetype because it is of the collective unconcious. the notion of a second set of parents makes sense for some reason.

rescue your father by making peace with your culture aka english or french canadian culture.

If you believe in free will then you cannot think science is the highest virtue because science removes subjectivity from life. However you are a subject and not an object mainly because you have free will and a conscience.

Chase the Dragon
>Do Drugs

The Underworld
>drug life

His dad is well connected and got him lots of cushy jobs
>He's trying to get clean for his dad.

His "self-help" is from Alcoholic/Narcotic Anonymous meetings.


Jung was a loser and only known cause of his association to Freud.

He literally got his professor job from his dad.

He got hired at 35 as a professor. 5 years experience at Harvard as Assistant Professor.
Usually you need 30+ years to be considered for a Professor job. Also attend teachers college.
Jordan just gets the job some how.

None of you will be a Professor making 100K+ a year,

Just when I thought the shills had given up.

At least this thread will kill half the morning

Good morning sunshine.

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Don't speak to anything I just said, call me "sun shine" instead.
Stellar argument from a paid Peterson supporter

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Hey bucko! Glad to have you back. Got some new Peterson-hate for us this afternoon?

Also I wonder how long the Sam Harris atheists will keep shitting up these threads by jerking themselves off about the supposed purity of empiricism and symbolic logic. I feel like I'm back in 2007 again. The irony of the rational crowd engaging in pointless deconstruction... Peterson would have something to say about such postmodern attitudes to potentially useful information and theories.

Also sort yourself out and stop attacking people who use stories and myth to understand life. Math, logic and physics are not useful for such things, and even if the "Truth" in stories is not technical it is still very clearly useful to people. So you're purity wankers. I can't believe we're having the atheist debate again, fuck.

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Stop insulting me and formulate an actual argument that doesn't involve insults, say something of substance and maybe, just maybe I won't think this guy is a hack loser fraud.

You can't.
You're brain washed.

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All "arguments" from his "supporters" are nothing but insult ridden down talk from a triggered snowflake.

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Crack smoking Drag Queen from Toronto is you "manly father figure hero"

Poor kids.
Your mom never should have had you. She was drunk and doesn't remember your dads name.

Oh I have argued with you before and it didn't go anywhere. I also believe that you have no interest in actually talking to people because you keep spamming the same posts no matter what people say. Also I didn't insult you, 'bucko' is a term of endearment. How about 'brain-washed'? That's a neutral observation I'm sure?

Literally the only thing you keep spamming is that he's a fraud because of a fishy career at Harvard, and the money he now makes from his followers. Here's an actual argument for you then: you are one of the only people who care about Peterson as a person, and have absolutely no interest in what he's saying. He could be working on the next theory of gravity and he would still be a hack loser fraud to you because you don't trust him.

So here's some fair turnabout: how about you finally shut the fuck up with your obsessive spamming and admit that all you want is to destroy him and people who listen to him. These threads are for TALKING. Take your fucking activism elsewhere you goddamn leaf.

> he won't care, he'll call me angry and a brain-washed follower and continue with his narcissistic autistic crusade.

You're the faggot who only has 9 year old insults

Jordan Penisson
Fagdan Assheadson
Jorcuck Peterburg

None of it's funny and your weeks on end of being an autistic faggot accomplishes nothing but annoying people. You can't come to grips with the fact that Peterson is way smarter than you and has helped countless people while you sit around spamming threads on Sup Forums like the useless cunt you are.

I got insults, banter and real psychology so come fuck with me kiddies.

Also 5 years sober. Been to AA. I'm "sorted out" according to Peterson here.
That why I know his "self-help" is from Alcoholics Anonymous.

I'm sorted.
Are you??

this is what our socialism pays for; mentally deranged people waste their time and others as well

Are you that same triggered faggot leaf that's always talking about Peterson?

Did he fuck your wife or something?

You need real help

Nobody read this, toothpaste

Alright lads.

Anyone got anything from doing the Self-Authoring?

Serious answers most welcome.

I read it, convict.

inb4 "haha ur a nobody"

You know, I think maybe there is something to the idea that he got fucked by Peterson somehow. This level of autism makes very little sense, and it also makes very little sense to derail talking about Peterson. It's not like the Harris kids who actually have a legitimate gripe with him. All he does is insult people for being losers and brain-dead, and spam how Peterson's ideas are bs. He has posted hundreds and hundreds of posts over the last few weeks.

Maybe it's hatred for the man? Not even militant atheists are autistic enough to shit up christian threads with this level of commitment. Or maybe he's a shill, but I can't really imagine what's so dangerous about the self-help or the psychoanalysis/religion.

Buck-O is not a term of "endearment" kid. Not by a long shot.
Not here in leaf land where professor is from.
Of course, I don't know anything about the country he and I live in. You'll say so.

It's my duty to smash this fraud and save as many mush brain kids as possible.
I hate you kids, but it's my sworn duty to call out frauds.

I can't stop my "autistic crusade", cause he triggers the part of my brain that hates liars and frauds

If I can keep 1 kid from falling for this dipshit, I did my job.
You idiots are a lost cause and provide great material for my shitty memes.

^^^^^^^^^^^^
Poor triggered snow flake.

what are you doing here, you non-contributing retard?

also i think this obsessive leaf is a pretty interesting thing that might happen to any topic a general is made of.

i sleep better at night. and im healthier

pls ignore him

He has worked a lot of shit jobs in his life.
He was an alcoholic (good job recovering btw.).
I can't recall if he mentioned childhood details but I'm sure there is plenty there.

It is some form of anger.
Maybe anger over the fact that some of us are treating Dr. Peterson like some magic solution (we know he isn't, he is but a stepping stone) whereas nothing helps make the Canuck feel better. I'd get angry, too.

Check em bitches

I started into his reading list, and I'm taking his Self Authoring class, I'm coming to save you Father!

youtube.com/watch?v=rsriu6a_ukw

So did Peterson
www.jordanbpeterson.com
He only lists shit jobs as his jobs.

He's not sober or recovered either.

has anyone else started to have this voice in their head that just tells you "sort yourself out" every-time you're procrastinating and not doing anything productive?
right now as I'm sitting here the though popped up at least 50 times
I think the memes are working

>Poor triggered snow flake.
>>>/reddit/ is that way my friendo

Okay so you believe your insanity, that's good to know. I actually have a little more respect for you now, cause it IS quite an impressive autistic crusade. You might be able to keep 1 kid away from him, but how about those who you drive up the wall? This is bumping right?

Bad part about your approach is that you claim to want to talk substance and arguments. You should really cut that out of your message m8 (and dial down the posting frequency) cause it's just not true. And you know that.

Another bad part is that you are extremely hostile to his "followers" (which is everyone talking in this thread apparently, even Harris kids). You say you hate them but want to save them. Do you understand how that makes nobody listen to you? I can't believe I'm actually advocating for more subtle shilling but you are just that obnoxious... take it as an insult, call me triggered ,but if you really wanna keep people away from him you need to DIAL DOWN THE AUTISM.

Either that or admit you're not doing it to save people but only because you feel overwhelmed by rage, like
> "he triggers the part of my brain that hates"

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I've seen that, yeah. I'm not smart enough to know why that seems to be part of your thing.
All I can sense is a need of recognition from your side, which is a very valid thing. Beyond that I have no idea.

5 words in and you insult me.
I stopped reading.
>insanity

If you can formulate an argument without insulting, I might take you and him more seriously.
Seems no one can though.