I don't fit into either category myself, but I am curious as to why there seems to be a alliance between the two sides online (and it does seem to be mainly online). I don't fit into either camp myself (or to the current version of leftism for that matter), but I do wonder why two groups who are so different on paper often intermingle. Is it due to both wanting to restore "smaller" forms of governmental structures (i.e. the nationalist wants their country less entangled in globalism and the libertarian--usually--wants more local control at the state level)? I've noticed both sides have a (reasonable) dislike of bureaucracy, so this might be the case, but is it the only or main reason? Any thoughts or theories behind the alliance, or did I basically get it right with my initial impression?
(Also, I am aware that there are nationalists and libertarian camps that despise one another, but I'm not talking about those at the moment, though feel free to bring them up if you wish.)
Juan Morris
I am National Capitalist so I am libertarian Nationalist. Or what Liberals like to say Libertarian Fascist.
Tyler Morales
Libertarians are the real liberals. Fascists are the real conservatives.
What passes for normal right/left politics in this country is really a choice between full on cultural Marxism (Democrats) vs. acceptance of Marxist ideals and full on Zionism (Republicans). Two sides of the same shekel.
Ryan Smith
I like freedom and I put my countrymen above foreigners because we can only rise together. Invaders must die and things that ruin the family unit should not be allowed. Fascism is needed to get rid of the problems then with a homogenous society freedom could be enjoyed again and charity would be more available because of the love your neighbor virtues that should be instilled.
I'm somewhere between fascist and libertarian and the contrast makes it kinda hard to place so I just accept the fascist label since that is needed first.
James Edwards
They both hate the far left, which is really just the left at this point. The mainstream Democrat party and their established media vanguard are completely batshit insane left, of course everyone else is collaboratiing to put them the fuck down.
Parker Smith
Would you say this is similar to economic nationalism?
Isaiah Thompson
The worst of both will never gain any real power, so an alliance between the best aspects of the two works out well, as it used to in America.
Ethan Peterson
>Libertarian Fascist. Stop this idiocy, there's no such thing. The only difference between fascism and libertarianism is libertarians want personal freedom while fascists argue that it must be somewhat limited for the greater good. It's one or the other, but don't make up stupid contradictory crap
Jackson Thompson
I'd rather live with those shitbirds than the left.
Hunter Cox
Simple. Marxism is a toxic degenerative bacteria that eats at the heart of all we love and cherish. The Fascist and the Libertarians have realized that this is a far greater evil than they consider each other.
Christopher Stewart
please stop trying to conflate libertarians with eugenicists. we really dont care about your bull shit racism.
Evan Campbell
America was founded on a combination of the two, and it worked pretty well for a long time.
Juan Clark
Only because both schools of thought and their supporters aren't welcomed by the official conservative parties of many countries, and they both hate the left and weak "conservatives".
>Libertarian Fascist.
Just fascist, come to terms with yourself.
Caleb Johnson
This. Stop being a faggot. You're as bad as some lefty who claims they're non-binary or that Unbased Stickcuck who calls himself an "American Nationalist".
Carter Kelly
When you say nationalist, you are not looking at the many kinds. In this case both sides are usually civic nationalist. Civic nationalists are patriotic anti globalist. When you really think about it, the alt right movement is really just a coalition of a bunch of anti globalist (neo-con/libs) nationalists.
John Jenkins
>anti globalist
sure you are
Dominic Harris
Civic Nationalists are cucks who give into Gloablism. Take unbased stickcuck for example.
Hudson Lee
I think Libertarians are worried at the rising heat between the Left and the Right.
But we see a Communist Revolution brewing and its not something we will allow to happen in America.
Libertarians will raise arms to fight against Communists even if that means we have to team up with Fascists.
But we will do it when the Commies become a real threat.
Landon Myers
Basically the one thing we can agree on is that unless we act together soon leftists will literally accidentally our whole civilisation.
Oliver Lopez
Not caring what race lives in america sounds pretty globalist
Asher James
t. pic related
Julian Perry
this. there has been a lot of d&c shilling lately. fuck all that noise
John White
>libertarian fascist You have no idea what you speak off
James Rivera
Most libertarians are just proto-fascists anyway. As soon as they realize the real reason /why/ they hate taxes they'll be on our side.
Connor Wright
What matters is who's on top. Pic related.
Angel Mitchell
Partly because a lot of nationalists, especially the older generation are ex-libertarians, and are familiar with the rhetoric and ideals of it. That means that even with their new views, most know how to argue and reach a compromise with them, instead of just shutting them down with commie tactics.
Also lolbertarians see nationalists as probably the useful idiots who will challenge the current bureaucracy, and take most of the heat of leftists attacks while they themselves try to limit government influence.
Either way, for the short term both groups goals allign: Lolbertarians want less government, Nationalists want less international control and governing over their territory. Both want to curb excessive control, and since the global governing is so overreaching, there is no contradicting of boths viewpoints in the short-term future.
Asher Lopez
>if only South Africa had never been an apartheid, it would have been much better off today!
David Young
lobergs are fucking retarded.
Blake Taylor
They'll come around. We were all lolbergs once.
Jeremiah Garcia
user, can you please post a larger image of this? or tell me where you found it
Isaac Ortiz
user-sama, you can be libertarian and nationalist. I'm a nationalist minarchist
Zachary Howard
But out of all examples to prove his point, he chose South Africa as proof that racial awareness leads to downfall...
Thats on the scale of DR3 that should not be possible.
Cameron Hall
Oh guys like stick man are a lost cause. I just meant the average lolberg on Sup Forums. Don't have kids with yellow women guys.
Brandon Roberts
There's the regular right. Then there's those who are right but not part of that group. Alternative if you will. We're grouped by our opposition more than by our similarities.
Nathaniel Kelly
Libertarians eventually notice only white people have any interest in libertarianism.
Cooper Rodriguez
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Robert Allen
I think the reason is more simple than that.
They have a common enemy which has grown substantially and was (and could still) trying to reestablish the ideologically worst offender from a human rights standpoint history has ever seen.
The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend, but we both understand the situation. I don't like nazis, but I hate commies.
The alliance is temporary, but important.
Robert Sullivan
We must secure the existance of our people and a future for white children.
Blake Lewis
>better dead than red.
Also, obligatory Liberty Prime
Easton Collins
My reason is that we both agree that the leftists need to be defeated, and while we'll likely fight each other after we've beaten the left at least if they win the society they form will be based on traditional values.
Landon Murphy
Today's Nazis and Fascists are not pushing for genocide but for isolation. Libertarians and NatSoc/Fascists both want to end the welfare state and agree on many other things. It's not just the immense threat of communism/liberalism, they ideologies can respect one another.
Anthony Hill
To clarify, if today's more extreme right wing movements were in the streets saying to lynch niggers and gas the kikes, the libertarians would never associate with them. Natsoc/Fascists have grown up in what they want and how to achieve it, and Libertarians are starting to appreciate them (all the Pinochet worship as show at Trump rallies.)
Nathaniel Barnes
>Today's Nazis and Fascists are not pushing for genocide but for isolation.
Ostensibly. I wonder how the interplay between civic nationalists and ethno-nationalists are going to play out after the common enemy is done.
I'm ok with finding peace where it's possible and practical, but the way things turn out isn't always how people think they will.
Gabriel Reed
EthnoNationalists will stop being retards and just make a white ethnostate somewhere by buying up all the land in a rural state.
When it doesn't collapse and actually does great, liberals will say it was because of institutionalized racism. Civic nationalists will become more redpilled and want to repeal the 1965 immigration act.
Chase Hernandez
OP, there's this kind of alliance within America: basically everyone from pissed off former democrats to libertarians to even 1488ers are ganging up on the cancerous extreme-left SJW degenerates who have infected our media, academia, and political establishment. I say this as a former leftist who is sick of dealing with kids who think "microagressions" are destroying the lives of women and brown people, but think it's acceptable to shit all over white people for some reason. I believe in a world where people will be judged by their characters and not their skin colors, and the best way to do that (in the immediate future) is to destroy the far left and its cultural influence. Eventually we'll have to deal with assholes like Andrew Anglin, but I think neo-Nazism isn't a big threat at all, for now, at least.
Samuel Robinson
You do know that your colour-blindness will keep generating problems over and over again, that the moment you think you finally have reached a stable enough state to go after the neo-nazies will never appear.
Jaxson Adams
If you are thinking of libertarian in economic terms it does, the economy of Italy for instance fluctuated from laissez faire in the '20s to extremely socialist in the RSI
Parker Miller
What people need to realize is that equality is a Marxist meme period. Races are not equal. Sexes are not equal. Even within a race and sex, people are not equal. The real right is anti-equality. We need to embrace this fully and argue from this as our moral basis. Accepting leftist egalitarian morality at our core will only enable them to deconstruct our proposals.