> Average cigarette smoking reduced the total life expectancy by 6.8years
>The number of total life‐years lost due to cigar or pipe smoking was 4.7years.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
5 YEARS ARE LITERALLY NOTHING!
Have the risks of smoking been greatly exaggerated? How dangerous can second-hand smoke really be? Are governments justified in heavily taxing tobacco?
Discuss.
Bonus points for those linking to actual studies.
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>2017
>Doesn't smoke cigarettes
Are you bullied, mentally handicapped or both?
>b-but it kills you
And? Was life a contest about who lives the longest?
>it's addicting!!!
It's not, as long as you're not under-aged and you can smoke in moderation
>it's....IT'S EXPENSIVE!!!
Who forces you to buy a pack every day, fucking peat-gavel
Even when I smoked long ago I would say a pack lasted me a week easily. I never felt sick and I still ran a lot. I quit and my withdrawal systems only lasted a few days.
Everything in moderation and yes even smoking. Not that I think smoking is good mind you... I quit for a reason.
>Average cigarette smoking reduced the total life expectancy by 6.8 years.
>Heavy cigarette smoking reduced the total life expectancy by 8.8 years.
>The number of total life-years lost due to cigar or pipe smoking was 4.7 years.
is that the average person's lifespan reduced by 4.7 years or the average smoker's? if the average smoker then yeah it's literally nothing, but if it's average person then holy fuck a lot of them have to be dying early to offset average lifespan by 7 years
What anout lung obstruction tho
Shit's nasty
It's your shitty health care. Most Austrians smoke and still we have 83 years life expectency.
is this real life
Right, yeah, because Chris Hitchens turned out just fi-
Oh wait.
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>IT'S EXPENSIVE!!!
It's expensive because the State heavily taxes cigarettes, despite the fact that smokers already pay two times more into the National Health Insurance than what they cost every year.
>83% of the price of a pack went back to the Treasury.
>Smokers bring in about £12 billion in direct tax revenues, although that doesn't count other contributions of the tobacco industry to total tax take (for instance income tax paid by employees).
>Estimates suggest costs anywhere between £3 billion and £6 billion for NHS treatments in a given year.
This math is fucking dumb.
It's not a matter of "how early you're going to live" but of "what's your life quality until you die"
Forgot to link the source: fullfact.org
>how early you're going to die*
Who else /gitanes/ here?
He also loved a good cock or two up his ass with his cigarette, like most new atheist.
I quit on December 31, last year.
I saw my friend die in agony from cancer.
It is not just losing 5 years, it's dying in agony wishing you were never born.
Now that's a good cigarette, sad they changed the American box
>I'm gonna die anyway
>Might as well kill myself now
Sound logic there, mate.
And sure, you die sooner thanks to all the air pollution. And ground and water pollution. Diseases you go through, what you eat, your lifestyle, etc.
Does that mean you shouldn't care, because you die eventually anyway? Or that it doesn't matter to live healthy because there's always gonna be something that you can't prevent from reducing your lifespan?
If that's your take on it then good job on being a retard.
Unless your point is that "there's no point in not doing what I enjoy even if it kills me because I die anyway". In which case go be a narcissist-hedonist somewhere else.
Life should not be aimed at just living long.
It should be aimed at accomplishing the most you can in it. But generally more time for it is always a good thing. But since you don't have any ambitions other than self-satsifaction then I guess you might as well cross yourself out of the gene pool now, you degenerate. Have fun living a life where you contribute nothing to society, and don't help your species progress.
>not vaping in private and smoking socially
enjoy smelling like shit and being unattractive to some women
Yes and you guys can still smoke INSIDE!
I wonder to what extent 2nd hand smoke really is any dangerous?
I mean, you have organisations like that National Cancer Institute, hardly a pro-tobacco organisation, claiming that there's no clear link between passive smoking and lung cancer or heart attacks.
I miss being able to smoke inside. Pic related.
forbes.com
Shit, there go my plans to live forever
9 out of 10 people in your local oncology lung clinic are smokers or ex smokers who have accumulated 10 package years or more.
(20 cigarettes a day one year long is a package year)
Average lung cancer patient age in Europe is 62 years.
>being unattractive to some women
You've clearly never been to Europe, have you?Women hate nerds and nu-males here.
Smoking will literally get you laid.
>Want to chat with someone? Ask for a lighter.
>Want to hook up with someone at a club? Go outside and have a smoke with that person.
who here /B&H/?
Sources?
this looks like a fucking edgelord cigarrette pack jesus
get the 100s and enjoy life/death better
I mean I smoke a pack a day and I smoke inside my house.
The lingering smoke clouds inside bother me more than the fact that I won't live quite as long as someone else.
Then I open a window and the smoke cloud problem dissapears.
>study about people who died in the last century
Nice try faggot.
Modern cigarettes are far less harmful than those in the sixties. Impact of smoking on life expectancy is literally nothing nowadays.
I normally buy the menthol premiums or deluxe, but the last pic I posted was all the tobacco store had last time
how much does one pack costs on average there, and what is the minimum wage? I smoke one a day too (weekends goes up to two) and want to compare prices.
A hipster faggot like yourself
And what about the particulate matter than is everywhere in your house? On the furniture, carpet, floor... Once you whirl the dust up it is in your breathing air again.
Black and hung?
In all fairness, he smoked like a chimney and was a functional alcoholic.
He died of esophegal cancer which is also associated with drinking a lot.
Anyway, Hitchens said he didn't regret smoking has cigarettes had helped him write.
Yes, most cigarettes didn't have filters before the 60s. People also smoked a lot more.
>Have the risks of smoking been greatly exaggerated?
No.
>How dangerous can second-hand smoke really be?
About as dangerous as breathing in anything that's on fire
>Are governments justified in heavily taxing tobacco?
Depends on what you think governments should do. Should governments curb behavior that can self-harm by taxation/regulation?
>5 YEARS ARE LITERALLY NOTHING!
This is an immature attitude, if you were going to die tomorrow 5 years would seem like a huge blessing.
>tfw neets that sit at their computer all day are telling me smoking is going to kill me fast
>tfw they die long before me due to a sedentary lifestyle and cancer causing depressive behaviors
False.
>Lung cancer mainly occurs in older people. About 2 out of 3 people diagnosed with lung cancer are 65 or older, while less than 2% are younger than 45. The average age at the time of diagnosis is about 70.
cancer.org
This post is retarded.
Looks like I'll take up smoking car exhaust fumes instead.
>2017
>Not smoking Cigars
Fuck off and die, shill.
Not so false as you might think, there are of course regional differences depending on lung cancer statistics. I was talking about Europe, mainly Germany and your website has data about the USA.
It is also true that lung cancer in younger people occurs more frequently, this is due to the fact that teenagers tend to start smoking at an earlier age.
Also it is assumed that smoking in a developing body causes more harm than later in your life.
If I smoked from 16 to 23 and then quite how reduced my life span is?
probably not much
Pall Mall Red is the master race
No one is saying smoking is healthy. Have you bothered to have a look at any of the sources I've provided at all?
Anyway, I don't know how wanting to have a reasonable discussion on tobacco and anti-smoking laws makes me somehow a shill? Especially when I've been linking to reliable sources thoroughout the whole thread.
Why the fuck would you smoke Niggarettes?
DING DING DING, WE HAVE A WINNER
Smokers will argue "well, who wants to live to be super old?" But smoking doesn't just reduce life expectancy but severely impairs quality of life. And that's the important thing.
The cost of cigarettes is different, minimum wage is 8.75 I think a pack of cigarettes here is around 9 dollars
>6.8 years
Maybe I wanna die sooner. The current world is fucked, and sadly... I'm too much of a pussy to commit suicide. I just don't get why the government here taxes cigarettes so much? $25 a packet! Let people decide their own fate. That's about all.
I'd rather have the 5 years.
more or less some 20 mins i guess if you smoked lights
No, women don't like fags like you who smoke.
>Want to chat with someone? Ask for a lighter
A normal person will just say "fuck off, you piece of shit".
>Want to hook up with someone at a club? Go outside and have a smoke with that person
That's just a way to get a bitch to ignore you because you're filth.
>menthols
I shouldn't have to pay my tax money for your shitty addiction. Stop being so fucking weak.
>inb4 tobacco tax
who decides quality of life? that sounds like some socialist buzzword to justify ever increasing taxes
Ever been outside of your room dude?
>Niggarettes
why because they're menthol? certainly not the brand I hope
Niggers here smoke Newports
My Russian grandfather smoked them, and he introduced them to me, with those being my first I've always preferred that taste
I only smoke about a pack a week anyway
Menthols is for niggers and old ladies who play bingo all day every day.
Quit many years ago. Have felt healthier since. Although the dreams... the dreams... I had another cigarette smoking dream last night. They are so ridiculously vivid.
Tobacco taxation rake in far more than the health costs here in Norway at least.
that's the stigma I have always heard on the internet but they seem to be more popular with everyone here in Florida
>ALL SMOKERS DIE YOUNG. FUCK BIG TOBACCO REEEEEEEEEEEEE
Meet America's oldest Veteran (pic related)
>Richard Overton is an American supercentenarian who at age 110 years, 320 days, is the oldest verified surviving United States war veteran
>Richard smokes 12 cigars a day.
How do we make smoking legal again?
This is not true, it's more like 7 in 10 now.
3 in 10 are non-smokers. Traffic pollution is terrible and a good argument for electric vehicles, keep the pollution away from populated areas.
based Poland brings the logic
>Who forces you to buy a pack every day, fucking peat-gavel
it's addictive and you know it, leaf nigger
Quit three weeks ago.
Have half a pack right beside me, and just had a good dinner.
I really, really want to go outside and smoke.
Convince me not to.
You'll get maybe five minutes of an excited rush from sating your cravings, but then you'll spend the rest of the afternoon hating yourself for caving in.
Oh, and you'll smell like shit.
>THIS GUY DOESN'T DIE, SO I WON'T
kys faggot
>Have half a pack right beside me
Throw it out. Why did you even keep it.
You're right. Smoking is basically illegal at this point. Cigarettes are pretty much unaffordable and you can't really smoke anywhere. I don't really know if it's possible to turn things around. Most people hate smoking with a passion.
I think it's good tat I quit. The habit still haunts me though
You cant just say true or false, we dont know it exactly, everything we see now in the clinic is delayed by 20 or 30years, when people started smoking.
But yes traffic polution is quite dangerous aswell, depending on where you live you can inhale the same amount of toxins as a smoker.
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Need the tobacco for mixing the herbal Jew.
Only smoke that occasionally though.
the cravings go away eventually. you'll get to a point where there is a craving every couple of months, but it lasts for about 10 seconds then goes away.
I only smoke when I drink to be fair
Whats the best brand? These are my go to at the moment. Strong and good flavor.
>you can't really smoke anywhere
You should just know not to do it in public, it's inexcusably impolite. If you want to be a disgusting human being do it at home
>Most people hate smoking with a passion.
Because it's a horrible habit.
>smoking anything ever
You want to do dope there's better ways than burning it.
Well its not about cutting your life short, its about your quality of life being greatly reduced
sure mabey you will make it to 80 if you smoke, but you will have the cardio vascular system of a 50 year old in your 20s
still gon smoke tho, atleast for now
It varies wildly depending on the state. Anywhere from maybe just under $5-$12, with $6-7 being about average. Federal min wage is 7.25, but in real world application, it's really about $10-12.
>Whats the best brand?
None of them are any better or worse than others. They're all the same garbage.
I was a fan of gauloises until I saw this shit, see pic.
Never did a gauloises niggaret touch my lips again.
reminder the L Nimoy "Spock" quit when he was about 50 and still died of lung disease 30 years later.
>From that moment, Nimoy became an activist about COPD and also against smoking, which is by far the most significant risk factor for the disease. Nimoy, who described himself on CNN as an “Olympic championship smoker,” was angry and shocked to learn the habit, which he had quit 30 years before, had caused his illness, says Julie.
>“When my dad was diagnosed with COPD, he couldn’t believe it. But then he learned that the damage is done when you smoke, no matter how long ago you had quit. He said, ‘I quit smoking and I got this. If I could get it, anybody could, so I have to get the word out on this right away,’” says Julie.
Go cold turkey and distract yourself for 3 days while the cravings work through. After a week it will be over forever, and from that point on you will be amazed at how much better you breath and feel.
t. smoker quitter
I enjoy smoking but if I do it too much I notice it makes my body less functional and I don't like being attached to a habit/addiction.
So I only smoke about three packs a year and some cigars and pipe tobacco when the weather is nice and I get to sit outside with a drink.
I thought you guys had snus.
snus is god tier
Those bastards with their fucking plus filter, if you are going to have a fucking filter then have a fucking filter not some hollow bullshit that does nothing
Stinks everything up, makes you weaker while you're living and there's no benefit. Seriously the most retarded vice.
>5 years are literally nothing
Let's see what you think when you only have 5 years left of your life
Tobacco is one of the few industries not ran by Jews. That's why there is always a war on it
>giving yourself cancer
Sure
5 years or not, I'd rather spend my life not smelling like ass and constantly gasping and wheezing.
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You've clearly never smoked while drinking. Greatest thing ever.
Also, cigars and pipe tobacco also taste pretty good.
That shit is foul, and it fuck up your gums
i snusade for 3 years i can shove my finger up under my lip and get it past my fucking nose