Not a Typical Holocaust Thread

I'll be honest with you I've studied the Holocaust for over two years now. I've looked at arguments from both sides. This isn't a typical 6 Gorillion thread so don't swamp it with jpegs.

The Holocaust debate usually is about whether the Germans gassed Jews, and whether 6 million Jews were killed by Germans. Historians have killed any revision on the subject, and yet Jew population studies vary incredibly, as well as numbers killed and cannot be agreed upon by same said Historians, but all numbers show those killed in camps have reduced from the original estimates.

Everyone is in agreement that Jews were killed, so my question is How Many were actually killed, not including typhus or starvation?

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>How many where killed.

I don't believe in the Holocaust, but Jews where killed by the National Socialists, mostly by Waffen-SS and perhaps behind the line Wehrmacht troops, id say some few 10,000.

In Auschwitz:
>74,000 people died during the entire running of the camp (4 years)
>of those 74,000, 24,000 were jews
>of those 24,000 jews, 23,400 died of natural causes / typhus /
>600 were hanged / shot

I think some internal German government memo late in the war estimated they had liquidated around four million (they weren't counting deaths from disease or starvation, only Einatzgruppen killings and gassings based on transport records).

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This, they died in camps as pow as a result of starvation due to lack of resources as well as rampant disease, alongside other pow's of Soviet and Polish, origin.

Source?

>911

People also forget the amount of gas/oil it would take to burn 6m jews was more than every tank/truck/aircraft/ship used on both sides of the war

The german documents from the camps

They did not gas Jews and then burn them in furnaces as a means to continuously kill them.

That story is merely propaganda.

Cite for these documents. Some book or anything?

I mean do you have a link I can get them from?

Here are some sources written by non-Stormfags that put the estimate at a lower number

The Final Solution (1953) by Gerald Reitlinger - 4.2 million (this was far lower than what the Soviets were touting at the time)

The Destruction of the European Jews (1961) by Raul Hilberg - 5.1 million

Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (1990) - 5.59 million

Didn't the Red Cross produce a figure of 200,000 just after the war? That's all PoWs in internment camps, Jews included.

So let's suppose over half were Jews, that gives a good guess of 120,000 deaths by holocaust.

About the same as Dresden.

Still a lot of civilians, probably still counts as some sort of war crime. Again, about the same as Dresden.

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Didn't Adenauer write under some sort document, which cited 400,000?

even if it was that many (it wasn't), that was over the course of the entire war

In dresden we killed 100,000 innocent men, women and children in 20 minutes

Didnt they say afterwards that those were just the German jews?

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Probably tens of thousands of actual communist partisans and agitators were killed but not in fake shower rooms and turned into lampshades/soap etc.

Jews were and still are way overrepresented in fronting their own jewish ideology of marxist-communism and all of its permutations.

>"The Destruction of the European Jews (1961) by Raul (((((((((( H I L L B E R G ))))))))))
You are literaly citing a jew, this is how I know you're one of them.

When you shove 24,000 people into such abhorrent living conditions that 23,400 of them die of typhus, dysentery, etc., that's not really natural causes... 6 bajillion is clearly bullshit but I feel like a lot of the holocaust truthers get so caught up in saying "the holocaust wasn't real" when they should be saying "the holocaust was and has been exaggerated and there is no analytical consensus about a lot of important shit"

So how many jews in total? Including all camps, partisans, those fleeing, or were gassed (if you believe in that side of the story. Don't forget loads travelled to UK, America, Argentina, Palestine, China, etc.

Are you ready for the big enchilada Sup Forums?

All the Jews went to the inner Earth to start a new society free from persecution during WW2. The Holocaust was a cover story and the Nazi party was orchestrated to allow this to happen. Hitler fled to Argentina and then south to Antarctica where the main entrance is and lives to this day as a noble of the Inner Earth. Antarctica is under scrutiny recently as the entrance to The Promised Land was uncovered. Obviously the virtuous Jews of the Inner Earth are not pleased with this outcome as it allows their fallen brothers who worship Moloch to enter and soil their domain. The Moloch Globalists were preparing an army (under the guise of Islam) to invade the Inner Earth. Trump has foiled these efforts somewhat (he is not a good Jew agent or even human. Rather he is a remnant of the extinct Martian race (hence his orange colouration). This links into the time travel theory (which is admittedly nonsense but there is some truth to it. Trump was a scientist on a galactic expedition. Due to relativity by time he had returned to Mars it was a wasteland and Earth (once a Martian colony) had become the key player in the Sol System (Pluto station still exists).

We can only wait and see what happens next.

>high school aged namefag who plucked Forrest from his American History class and thinks the name is cool and obscure enough to make for a sweet handle on his secret alternative-right maymay club board

Hitler was an agent of the illuminati kikes anyway, so it doesn't matter whether the holocaust happened or not. People act like hitler was actually trying to save germany lmao, he was taking money from his kike handlers up until the last day in 1945, and then shipped off to who knows where with the rest of the kike nazi party. You guys are so bluepilled when it comes to the nazis it's hilarious.

And what about the Einsatzgruppen, the eastern death-squads?

You can't know this number because it all comes down to how people define a jew, I would guess the number of jews intentionally excecuted by the germans ranges anywhere from 2,000-50,000 but I have no idea

Well... yeah. But that's kind of what you get for taking on a global superpower? A display of inhuman mass slaughter during the equivalent of mardi gras.

Didn't stop the Germans fucking up London and Lancaster, though, did it? So, not really that sorry. Probably better if they had complied with not building that Berlin-Baghdad railway of theirs. We did ask nicely six or seven times.

Ah, yeah, could be.

Also, I think that figure was from the German camps exclusively. It doesn't include the Checzs, for example.

You can probably work out an estimate based on camp sizes, though? I doubt they were cramming them into the others to make up the numbers, put it that way.

The Holocaust plc was basically about reparations after the war, I guess? Who lost the most number of made up millions gets more coal etc etc I'm not doubting that those camps were Hell on Earth towards the end, and I wouldn't want to be interred there. But 6million etc is just legal padding for more cashola, most likely.

I don't believe that there was any organized extermination of the Jewish people in Nazi Germany.
It was a state of total war, they needed the bullets elsewhere.
The only camps that were alleged to be death camps were on the soviet side of the iron curtain.

you tell me youve studied it
personally id say around the 8400/8500 region

Guns have no nationality.
Nobody cares if a gun was made by a nignog or a jew.
Guns are just fucking guns you retard.

Except the living conditions were good compared to American camps for Japanese, Italians and Germans and the German camps didn't break down until after allies bombed the supply lines making upkeep in these camps impossible.

But yes, everyone who denies the six gorillion is a right wing nutter and conspiratard, goyim.

Gas yourself.

According to the Red Cross not that many. Not that it matters because they weren't allowed to argue it in court and it is illegal to deny it in most places.

Everything up to trump being from mars checks out in my book.
I'll shit if the rest is true as well.
Can't wait for ascension

>this guy who named the jews and removed their banking schemes from his country was really working for them all along
>shareblue thinks this is clever

So you are saying that British imperial ambitions started the war, right? Damn. World says that Germans are bad, actually Eternal-Anglo pulled the strings and fucked up the continent. Good work...

That was the point of the thread, friendo. I think the number is around 500,000. I do not know, but I know that 500,000 is not 6,000,000. There are many Revisionists on pol, so I was genuinely interested in how many jews they and you think were intentionally killed.

No. The Nazis stupidly kept building that railway.

They could have stopped and thought about it for a bit, but they kept on building it instead.

Don't fuck with our oil. Or look like you are fucking with it. It's not a big ask.

This.

Nazis? Weren't them prior WW1 Germans, who wanted to build that railway, to pimp out their industry?

>On 13 September 1944 Göth was relieved of his position and charged by the SS with theft of Jewish property (which belonged to the state, according to Nazi legislation), failure to provide adequate food to the prisoners under his charge, violation of concentration camp regulations regarding the treatment and punishment of prisoners, and allowing unauthorised access to camp personnel records by prisoners and non-commissioned officers
>failure to provide adequate food to the prisoners under his charge

The Nazis were so evil, they tried to murder Jews through overeating. Oy vey!

the abhorrent conditions came from the allies bombing the railways and disease, it wasnm't done on purpose.

They had swiming pools and cinemas for fucks sake

They had to do that or they'd be attacked from behind.

500,000. Correction, 499,999 as I originally included Ann Frank.

Mole people or crab people?

They stopped after a little persuasion.

And indeed, that new chap seemed quite reasonable about everything, at the start.

Then they went back to building that bloody railway again. It's like they wanted to provoke us, or something? We were trading quite happily up til then, we didn't fuck them over or anything. We'd have continued to trade with whatever empire they were building by going East, too. Fuck. We'd have been amazing partners (just with Germany being a little bit lower down than us).

But noooo.

(Actually, it had a lot to do with Edward as anything else. We should have cut his head off, the little shit.)

Don't start a World War if you don't want to get firebombed.

>thinking the germans started it
jesus christ

Why wouldn't they send them all to prison camps then instead of genocide?

>He gets all his information from Sup Forums

I just found out that the fucking wikipedia has an article where the total death toll for the "muh holohoax" is: 2,420,729 PEOPLE (some are jews).

HERE en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazi_concentration_camps

Ernst Zundel in his interview with an Israeli reporter in 1998(some Sup Forumsacks think said reporter was with Mossad, dunno myself) cited a French Jewish Revisionist, I believe, who claimed 750,000 as a number.

>youtube.com/watch?v=A5sbegfCz7o

What a delusional retard that Hitler was.

When you're the Queen of England and you can't hide your true feelings about Adolf.

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there was no gassing or mass cremation simple as that.

Nice merchant

rare

Thousands died of typhus, nothing more

>literally cites sources

lies

>but muh documents

All the arguments involving German documents presented at Nuremberg trials and others are cute.

After all this time, people still believe the Allies would never fake documents intended to bolster whatever narrative they already decided upon? There was no one to call them out; why wouldn't they?

There are also ways to get people to say what you want. Yes, even the "evil nazis" had families and ways to be blackmailed. I doubt they'd knowingly put a German up on trial unless they proved they would stay on script.

Trusting "Allied verified" sources is equivalent to the MSM trusting the Clinton campaign at their word about everything.

How are you people so naive? I mean really? The official story from government and MSM is bullshit now, just like it was then.

At some point you have to trust logic bolstered by thoroughly educated, unbiased context over having complete faith in untrustworthy sources of information.

Not to mention, all the ALSO GERMAN documents that go against the narrative are deemed "Nazi propaganda".

Sounds just like the "Russian propaganda" of today. Seriously, half a century from now people will most likely believe that Podesta's emails were simply Russian propaganda due to all MSM articles, majority of cucked liberal professors, and even government officials treating it as such.

Think about that....then tell me why on earth anyone should believe the official story regarding events revolving around WW2 when so much doesn't make sense in so many ways and many previous "facts" have been proven false?

I also love when there are clearly well educated researchers who tell a very different story regarding WW2 events and they are "debunked" by professors who are already known cucks who always stick to the safe, official story. Why does anyone give a shit what these sellouts "debunk"? Read it for yourself. Compare and contrast. Use your head...

Replace "Hitler" with "Merkel" and replace "Englishman" with "refugee"

Then re-read the photo.

Thanks for the link. I have a lot of respect for Ernst. I have seen this, but I will watch it again gladly.

Not all of them were gassed/burned. Lots of Jews were killed. Look up holocaust by bullets.

>purposely waste your time goy
why the fuck would I do that?

I can see that but I'd bet a hundred quid you haven't bothered to look at any of them for yourself.

cough up, i've read hitler's war.

Red Cross document is a scam. I puke every time someone here posts it.
Only verified and correct proofs allowed. Not some stupid infographs or pictures with German text which you don't understand.
Learn the fucking language first.

Mhm. I'm sure you have.

That's okay. I'll help you.

"The blood of every single refugee is too valuable to shed. Our two peoples belong together racially, and traditionally. That is and always has been my aim, even if our generals can't always grasp it."

"She (Merkel) then astonished us by speaking with admiration of the third world, of the necessity for its existence, and of the civilisation the refugees had brought to the world. She remarked, with a shrug of the shoulders, that the creation of the third world had been achieved by means that were often harsh, but 'where there is planning, there are shavings flying'. She compared the third world with the Catholic church saying both were essential elements of stability in the world. She said that all she wanted from the refugees is that they should acknowledge Germany's position on the continent."

"Merkel felt she had repeatedly extended the hand of peace and friendship to the refugees, and each time they had blackened her eye in reply."

whatever

literally why?

Speak English!

Fucking KIKE!!!!!

I read some of the holohoax jpegs here, and while the numbers do make a point, still each one of them is only treating one execution form. The could be gassed, oven'd, shot, hanged, forced to march long distances, died out of starvation inside the camps, beaten to death or died out of sort of tiredness while at working camps and so on and on.

I don't know how accurate is the 6mil claim, but I think that with all those ways it can make it into a high number.

Your speculation about the number?

Even if it is a holohoax, the mass slaughter and rape of millions of white europeans will be either deliberately downplayed or forgotten.

Oh wait! it's not 1950 talking about russia!
It's 2017 talking about europe!

LOL

around 4-4.5mil sounds like it.

It can be possible to reach 5mil with some Russian purges, but I'm skeptic about that.

Excellent post. Meanwhile the MSM in the UK offers us this:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3205754/Blood-oozed-soil-grave-sites-pits-alive-secrets-Ukraine-s-shameful-Holocaust-Bullets-killing-centre-1-6million-Jews-executed.html

Can someone explain the entire "HURR IF THEY WEREN'T DIRECTLY SHOT/HANGED/GASSED IT'S NOT A MURDER" argument?

I think most of Sup Forums agrees that Soviet gulags were a crime against humanity - people were worked to death in there, died of starvation, deseases, and whatnot - by millions.

And yet, if millions of Polish citizens (of both catholic and judaistic faith) are starved to death in German camps, it somehow makes it a lesser crime?

I heard about some Jews who were getting Holocausted in Sweden, the went into a sort of comatose state. Bedridden and fed by tubes, the only known cure for this horrible condition inflicted on the Jews was shekles.

What do you think about the fact that Russians occupied those camps and used them purge their own dissidents and in the similar manner with Katõn they are putting things on German blame and get away with millions of kills?

Oy fucking vey

See Both Germans and Russians are white version of ISIS, everybody knows that.

How many Polish and Ukranians were killed in ex German camps after the war in Poland?

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You didn't address my point.

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Jews meme better than Poles. Poles don't have mass media. Therefore nobody cares about Polish, Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Ukranian, Belarusian etc deaths.

they killed 11 million but 3-6 million kikes. why is it such a bad thing that you kill all your undesirables and POW's after all of your borders get surrounded by your enemies

It seems about right, both regimes hated Jews. Do you have any source for this claim though?

>How Many were actually killed
Not enough

The Nazis didn't purposefully starve those people in the concentration camps and try working them to death like the Russians did. Again, if you're new to this, the Revisionist's argument is that the supply railroads and factories were destroyed by allied bombing. Because of the desperate times of the most devastating war in human history, the Germans were unable to adequately feed and vaccinate, treat, or cure the diseases that had taken many lives of Jews and Gentiles in the concentration camps. They wanted them to survive, they just didn't have the means of doing so in many cases. The Nazis kept the Jews as slave labor, and they needed every slave laborer to survive so Germany could produce weapons (including combat vehicles) and ammunition. It was a desperate objective, seeing as how Germany had been out-manned and out-gunned for most of World War II.

>The could be gassed, oven'd, shot, hanged, forced to march long distances, died out of starvation inside the camps, beaten to death or died out of sort of tiredness

If they were in camps and died, then the corpses would have been put in ovens. Work out how many corpses those ovens could handle, and you will see that the total deaths in the camps is low.

I am not saying that they killed Jews, but I have been thinking about how those potential kills have been used for other propaganda means. These camps were closed more than a decade.