I am a right winger through and through. The only problem I have with right wing parties is their apparent no fucks given attitude towards global warming and environmental issues. For the sake of argument lets say we are "at the end of an ice age", why not still make a better world for ourselves anyway? Use renewable energy sources and other technology to keep our planet clean and beautiful?
Thoughts?
The only thing that matters about Climate Change are some of the consequences, like increased refugees, which we're already taking steps to mitigate.
Other stuff, like rising sea levels, will be adjusted for. Manhattan will never be allowed to go underwater.
Okay heres an argument against global warming.
1)The Earth's atmosphere is only 0.04% CO2.
2) CO2 doesn't mix well and won't stay mixed with other gases(so it works independant of other gases)
3) CO2 has less heat retention than the air itself(the big point, be sure to google this one)
4) CO2 loses it's heat in 5 milliseconds
5) Being a gas, CO2 rises when it warms, and sinks when it cools
6) Because it has less heat retention than the air, which is 78% of atmosphere(compare to 0.04%), and because gases rise and fall with heat this means that CO2 never has the ability to become "stuck" in, or above air
7) If for some reason the thermnodynamic qualities of air were different and CO2 had MORE heat retention than air(it doesnt) then this would produce a cooling effect for the world, as the temp would then be limited by radiation absorbing more into CO2 and less into air
There. Global warming is a big ass scam. Happy?
Are you autistic?
> trust me I'm a science
That's the American/ising 'right'.
Nutories and such.
Americanising 'right-wingers' assume the appelation in order to dupe traditionalists into letting them pimp out their country and its people, while pointing at the Marxists their retard system creates as evidence they should be protected, like the parasites they are.
Decadent barbarism that makes communism look increasingly good by comparison, until the proverbial kite string pops and you either get communism or a doomed fascism that will be allowed to exist only so long as it is destroying communists - then come the Americanisers to flatten and pimp out their defeated foes.
>why not still make a better world
Because politically forcing people to use shitty and expensive technologies does not make a better world for anyone except the cronies producing such tech.
The market will provide 'clean' energy when there is a demand.
Neither of these come anywhere close to arguments.
That is literally what Coal and Oil are. Nonrenewables have become much cheaper and much more effective in the past decade and employ far more people and nonrenewables do.
Fascism promotes environmentalism. Apart from that global warming has nothing to do with humans.
Protip: Tories aren't right wing.
It is true that in the US the conservatives are really corporatists masquerading as reactionaries to secure a dogmatic voting base.
The democrats have been trying to do the same. Corporatists masquerading as socialists. They're going to be wearing che gueverra shirts while trying to make investments in the pot market.
OP here. What about the factors that lead to global warming? Destroying forests, polluting lakes and rivers? I'm not some tree hugging hippy but this is a beautiful world we live in and its entirely taken for grated. As humans, we have the means and technology to live bountiful lives and prosper but we always wanna make the short term quick buck and fuck up everything along the way.
It will cost billions to keep it from sinking. Billions in tax payer dollars while we suffer a deficit.
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Did you go to school in a red state?
global warming is a meme get fucked
The demand might not come. If things like clean drinking water takes over all markets. Libertarian bullshit. Free market is a myth it has never and will never exist. Your faith in it is no better than following Mohamed.
Climate change is nothing but an excuse to do something (((they))) intended to do anyways.
Don't be fooled.
If it wasn't climate change, it would be some other token excuse.
>Republicans want dirty water, air and will let big bad companies funnel raw sewage directly back into your anus.
Why do people still belive this shit?
More non-arguments.
Same tough spot to be in desu
Actually natural gas is the primary reason coal jobs dried up. Natural gas requires far fewer workers to extract than coal. Renewables have become cheaper because federal funds were put towards its development. Coal and oil are the energy if the past and not wanted, hence their cheap prices.
Because their is currently lack of substantial evidence to provide a waypoint on how to precisely combat it, if it can even be combatted.
The science tells us that we don't know exactly the trends the earths atmosphere may actually experience naturally. The historical data of any long term relevance doesn't exist, so it isn't possible to accurately predict what is going on.
Ecological sustainability would require a culling of 90% of the world population, anything else is a half measure and leftcucks would rather bury their head in the sand. Until this happens drill baby drill.
The two establishment parties are trash is like babies first redpill.
Enjoy your internet, cell phone, and modern medicine;all created by scientists who believe man made climate change is real. The thing is science doesn't care if you believe or not, we all live in the same world regardless if how dumb you are.
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Read the post dumbass. He said, even if global warming isn't how the media paints it, what's the harm in reducing pollution anyway?
Yup, I changed energy companies and I switched to one that is completely green. Why? Because they were the cheapest. I don't give a fuck where my energy comes from, as long as it's cheap.
>Republicans want dirty water, air and will let big bad companies funnel raw sewage directly back into your anus
Maybe not on american soil but the first world has always shit in the mouths of other less developed nations.
Kek. That's the point isn't it. Wasted, exhausted admen and PR subhumans pretending they are capable of having convictions beyond the criminal.
The media chosen are truly vile, you should behave towards them with naked aggression. When you see a curly haired, snarky little gobshite at college, and he says he wants to work in media, spit on his shoes and slap him in the face.
They puke up honey words into the hollow skulls of Euros about how much more progressive and advanced they are than America, pretending that we're anything more than a brainless guinea pig for their cultural engineering experiments.
They expect us to then browbeat decent Americans into kowtowing, and acceding to the sick distortion of their own country, as so many Europeans have been flattered into doing.
The 'right wingers' are just as bad as the left.
They want us to turn inwards, shamefully feed on our own suffering poor while importing and worshiping those of lesser peoples, to show how not racist they are. Why? Money money money money money! More pennies! More! Me a welff creeyatur!
Subhuman animals, Babylon whores.
Environmentalism is foremost a "right wing" concern. You should simply disregard american posters are they enjoy goy-signaling eachother about how conservative and republican they are by adopting purely contrarian hyper anthropocentric positions in all matters green. They're the type of morons to not know that their very own Green Party had a post-WW2 clause of not discriminating against Nazis joining their ranks for the majority of Germans who left Germany after the war, the nazi ones at least, tended to gravitate to the one political party that had something they genuinely defended, which was the good health of the Environment (read: the environment of Nature an also of Man).
The "muh global warming" does have its issues and it's essentially political. I'm sure you've noticed that the fight against global warming is championed by those seeking to gain control and influence over the affairs of every country under the guise of enviromentalism.
>oy vey you've surpassed this arbitrary number of CO2 emissions we should draft an international agreement with penalties for those who don't commit and such heheheheheh
Hitler was an environmentalist apparently.
>no fucks given attitude towards global warming >environmental issues
Most people I know are concerned about the environment, just not global shilling.
I'll give you a quick runndown as to why global warming is trash science at best. My grandfather
has been a geologist all of his adult life and had this to say about it when asked. "Impossible, the volume of the atmosphere is never included in this science, nor is the direct impact of the sun and it's changes".
Wow, what did he mean by this?
Also...carbon refraction has never been proven to affect global temperatures. EVER. It quite simply
is still a trace gas. No trend in the weather has EVER been linked to it. BTW, you know that carbon is necessary for life yes? You know that plants feed off
of waste carbon yeah? You know that you are made out of carbon yes yes? It's a meme desu, deigned to make you feel guilty about breathing so that you will pay more monies to ((((them)))) in the form of taxation.
>apparently
>Investing in legal Marijuana companies
Brother it's going to be a gold mine
Because there's hardly anything that can be done at this point.
Climate change hasn't been definitely determined to be exclusively man-made or a natural process yet. Pretty sure most scientists have conceded that he process is irreversible unless we can go carbon negative (which is pretty much impossible without wiping out the majority of the population, forbidding industry altogether, and mass reforestation)
Ya, China and India really fucking suck why are you implying they are right wing?
Someone show me the model and studies scientist use to predict the rising sea levels and increase in temperatures. How did they get the results, can it be repeated by anyone else.
There is a reason it's a theory, no one can prove it, blindly accepting information shoved down your throats is no way to form actual beliefs. I do believe in climate change, because we are on a huge fucking rock hurtling through space with fucking radiation and who knows what else we are being exposed to. Also solar flares and the earth wobbling are all other factors to consider.
Or we can talk about how cattle farming is adding the most change to the climate
You and your grandfather are retarded
Okay I can see all these arguments for whether its real or not but like I said earlier, why not make a better world anyway? Global warming is a "myth" sure whatever but humans ravaging this planet for finite resources sure as hell isn't.
Do you remember climategate?
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So... what did they mean by this?
Isn't hockey stick graph fabricated?
Nobody genuinely gives a shit about the environment. People who pretend to, do it for political manipulation.
Humanity has reached a fork in the road
We have two options.
Cull 90% of the human population and keep the very best alive (Smartest ,wealthiest and strongest)
That way we can keep developing and keep the world sustainable
Or we set off from this planet and start colonizing mars.
Other options could include building settlements in the orbit of larger objects like the moon, saturn ect.
By the looks of it though the elites are already choosing the first option. From the pushing of war with Russia to the constant increase of immigrants into Europe.
Their plan is to create so much chaos that those who live in the comfy zones(Europe, U.S, Australia ect) that they will beg for order to be restored by any means neccessary.
They will use this point in history to ensure we never over populate again.
Now there's the meme that they're trying to mix the white race with the others in order to dumb them down but this isn't the case, This is simply to enrage us enough to dehumanize the other races allowing us to kill them all.
But why choose the white race over the others?
Whites tend to commit less crimes
Whites don't tend to revolt unless the elites treat them really shit.
Whites create the most things that the elites like.
Whites breed the least out of all the other major races.
Whites generally sustain the areas they live in.
The Asians Would be the other choice as they are very similar to the whites but for one issue
They generally have massive families.
Tend not to sustain their areas as well.
You need to understand that climate change, anthropogenic or not, is going to completely wreck shitskin third worlders. Affluent white countries will be forced to wise up, stop the fugees, and before you know it it's gas, gas, gas and we get to make Earth great again.
It's all part of the Plan.
This is hilarious
>corporations dumping toxic waste into our rivers, turning animals into hermaphrodites
>women on birth control pissing out estrogen that then gets recycled--unfiltered--into the water supply, in addition to antidepressants and antipsychotics
>xenoestrogens present everywhere in your water and food
>average sperm count on a fucking century-long nosedive towards a Children of Men magnitude of infertility
>N-NO GOYIM, WORRY ABOUT THE ICE CAPS THOUSANDS OF YEARS FROM NOW!
Holy fuck I hope you're a corporate shill or troll and this isn't your genuine belief.
Well if you listen to what climate scientists are saying it's too late to change anything anyway so it does not matter what we do... unless the entire world goes into a carbon negative which is not possible then nothing can reverse the effects.
Good think it's all fake anyway and is promoted by soros funded al gore as he owns multiple houses and flys on his jet around the world preaching about carbon footprints in order to end businesses in the USA and send them to China or India, where they have fewer environmental regulations, keep 3rd world countries from progressing because ("the world will boil over") if we allow them to build cars or houses, steal money from corporations with a carbon tax, and encourage less reproduction
Yeah, and they turned all those things into Skinner boxes, which is what global scamming is really about.
>By the looks of it though the elites are already choosing the first option.
In 1956 when M. King Hubbert predicted the decline of american oil production he was nearly laughed out of the room. Military spending was reduced and everyone ignore his warning. Then in 1970, everything he said came true. At that point, i think all the elites saw the writing on the wall and a new era in self preservation took hold. They knew that at some point in the near future the Olduvai curve would start to plateau. It's why we are in every country that has to do with oil. People truly have no idea how fucked we actually are.
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Here's the the argument against the mentality itself and why the left resorts to it. (They're real life nothings, even the ones in power, so they need a Great Dilemma to be the heroes for)
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>I am a right winger through and through. The only problem I have with right wing parties is their apparent no fucks given attitude towards global warming and environmental issues. For the sake of argument lets say we are "at the end of an ice age", why not still make a better world for ourselves anyway? Use renewable energy sources and other technology to keep our planet clean and beautiful?
>Thoughts?
There are only TWO things that republicans/conservatives want:
1. Rich people to have more money and power and influence
2. You to believe otherwise
To the extent that any issue conflicts with this, they will lie and manipulate you to believe otherwise. These people couldn't give less of a shit about the planet - the wealthy have already carved out pristine areas for themselves to live/breathe/etc in, and they will survive all the negative global effects because the have the power to do so already.
This particular issue is probably harder for you to swallow because the science is so clear. There's a similar con game going on with most* other republican policy ideas, but propaganda is easier to fudge when it's not hard science on the other side, so you've fallen for all that shit like good goyim**.
My general rule of thumb for understanding conservative propaganda is: if they're claiming the other side is doing it, they're almost certainly doing it themselves. (see e.g., "death panels" with obamacare, versus the reality of proposed ryancare)
Again, where you see this come up against hard science, it's the easiest to tell it's bullshit. But it's all bullshit. Liberals and the conservative base actually have a lot in common when you actually look at the *policies*, but since you've been told otherwise, you'll never believe it.
>*by accident, sometimes "give more money to the rich" lines up with something useful. But that's extremely rare.
>**not really jew tricks here, the concept of which is a piece of propaganda to keep you angry at the wrong target
Watch and prepare to be converted
>if they're claiming the other side is doing it, they're almost certainly doing it themselves
Legitimate shill detected, Lenin was the one who outlined this tactic and modern Cultural Marxists employ it. Particularly Alinskites. The great flaw of our right wing plight is that we are being whimpered into irrelevance because of our dogmatic adherence to the concept of rules.
And trash the reddit spacing numbnuts if you want to shill less noticeably. Now try telling me you don't frequent reddit
you didn't make and argument
you stated unrelated and belittled "facts"
this is why people think you're retarded
you made a list of only 7 facts that "debunk" climate change while there are people who have dedicated their entire lives to studying this and have unquestionably concluded that some really bad shit is happening and, if we do nothing to stop it, it will get much worse.
Some teenager on Sup Forums isn't smarter than actual scientists with educated opinions, please stop embarrassing yourself and accept that massive industrialization may have some negative effects on the earth
Well it's hard to give a fuck about something you've not felt the effects of, when the elites are making your world utter shit anyway by importing millions of third worlders and letting SJWs control culture. I don't care if the world burns if we're going down this road for much longer.
>letting SJWs control culture
I guess being against racism is now being an SJW?
The masses control the entertainment, so a show like Transparent is watched because it is well written, well produced and has an untapped fan base.
There isn't an evil council of jews sitting around a table plotting their next move against the white man; there is a funny council of mostly jews plotting what kind of show/movie they should make to bring in the money
He didn't have to provide an argument numbnuts. Yet. He provided the argument "seed".
It goes opening premise>argument>counter arguments>...>conclusion
He made 7 points (either true or not) that left the floor open to talk about them but all he received in response was vague mockery for them globally, ie not arguments.
Please stop embarrassing YOUR self.
there is no argument to had if the premise is invalid and pointless
plus most people here are so clearly delusional and willing to do endless mental gymnastics that there is little point to even trying
If an actual scientist came on here, climate change deniers would attack his points on the basis of "you learned the wrong stuff, we learned the right stuff of of questionable conspiracy websites"
there is no trying with you people, only ad hominem gets through to you
We are ruining the planet and we need to look after this Earth.
Not with "green technology", but by returning to a simpler lifestyle.
I agree but what can you do? As long as there's a jew out there who can squeeze another shekel out of the environment, there will be politicians willing to sell us out for a meager campaign contribution.
Stop embarrassing yourself, desu.
You make Ameritards like us look dumber than we are
>global warming is destroying the globe model
wtf i love global warming now
>invalid and pointless
Says who? If you want to decide such a thing and treat it as an axiom you have to back it the fuck up as to WHY you treat it axiomatically. And you didn't. Next
>If an actual scientist came on here, climate change deniers would attack his points on the basis ""you learned the wrong stuff, we learned the right stuff of of questionable conspiracy websites
If an actual climate scientist came on here I would "attack" him on the basis that (if I were observing him to employ the same appeal to authority tactics the agenda driven sect of environmentalists use) all voices to the contrary are tantrumed out the discussion. Escpeciall t talk like > youtube.com
None of us disagree that climate change exists, we disagree that massive interference in economies (which just so happen to stagnate economies in all the right places and keep all the right people in power) is nessary to prevent the Great Happening these people have convinced themselves they are the self ordained heroes of.
>there is no trying with you people, only ad hominem gets through to you
This is a decision people make as a way to cope with the hard reality of difficult debate; you decide that we are, globally, in possession of this quality an that you need not even try with us.
The reality is that you are not capable of this clever argumentation you imagine for yourself and you employ whatever mental gymnastics necessarily to continue this comfortable feeling.
It relates to my pet name for the left: The Path of Least Resistance: The Ideology.
this is all you need to completely destroy global warming, scientifically
Half a gymbal?
I don't get it the joke.
it's no joke
you probably don't get it because you're an ape
i mean it's pretty impressive that you post
The appex of croatian enginering.
kek'd, good one, you must be one of those mixed with people
Got it immediately: the is no action that can be taken upon this object that it will not right itseft be BEFORE the entropy of your action has fully run it's course on it short of destroying it
Which real life climate analog is nuclear armageddon.
>the is no action
*there is no action
Putting words you heared smart people say doesn't make your sentences scientifically correct. Not even to mention that neither is any argument, simply a (wrong) statement.
We're fucked either way may as well use whatever resources we got to travel space
Flat it is
It's funny how all the shills attacked this post with no substance of their own.
They just name called and said you're stupid.
Holy fuck how translucent they are.
MAGAĎ
Projection.
What you are saying may be true of him but you have no actual basis, provided by him, to decree it.
>simply a (wrong) statement
You now have to, point by point, explain why. Anything short is not acceptable and will merely be you committing the same delusion that you spend so much time convincing yourself that your opponent has.
This here is all I need to know that there ain't global warmin. If it ain't too hot then there's no global warmin. End of story. Stop believing kike bullshit
No substance yet again. Explain where he's wrong.
>says who?
actual scientists
>If an actual...
bill nye is a celebrity and does not represent the scientific community
>my pet name for the left
cringe
the earth is fucked. you cant stop it. its too late. the earth is going to take itself back.
>We're fucked either way
Said every do-nothing manchild who can't decide on a viewpoint for himself ever. Seriously I hear this line all the time from people who heard it elsewhere and regurgitate it because it sounds good.
Alot of reddit on Sup Forums today, like more than usual.
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Don't believe all that science fact bullshit. I took my kids out of school so they wouldn't be brainwashed by all that crap. I'm glad I didn't go to college or else I'd probably be just as brainwashed as these other dumbass liberals
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I don't know why people are laughing at this post when half of Sup Forums has the exact same attitude about education ans science
we laugh at them too, but dont post it
Link me the reddit thread or where every else you were directed from newfags.
The person I responded to outlined a "don't give a shit about the climate" stance dipshit. I attacked and only attacked his use of the "We're fucked either way" meme.
At least you should be able to see the current proposed "solution" for the "problem" only removes control from countries that care about real pollution (not CO2) and hands it to those who don't. All while hurting economic leverage which could have been better utilized solving real problems.
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Nah, fucking kill yourself shill
I wasn't because I would had to write til tomorrow if I wanted to correct everything he said so I'm just gonna point out some of his bullshit that even someone with normal common knowledge can understand as flawed.
First of all he is too stupid to know the difference between air and nitrogen.
It does not matter how fast heat is giving back to the suroundings. The central matter is the reflection of heat radiation back to the earth, heating it up.
>5) Being a gas, CO2 rises when it warms, and sinks when it cools
What is he even trying to say? Why is he talking about the mechanisms of the creation of wind. Also heating and cooling applies to every other gas aswell.
>retention
As I already said noone cares about the heat storage capacity. What matters is the reflection.
All of this and more should have been obvious to anyone with a highschool degree or above.
>I wasn't because I would had to write til tomorrow
Then. Condense. It. Faggot.
>Federal funds
>cheaper
Obviously they aren't competitive if tax dollars are diverted to make them look cheaper. Natural gas is only cheaper because export ability is very limited. Also Australia is able to mine coal cheaper than US. Once NG exports go up, coal and oil prices will increase. The cheapest energy source will always win out. We just currently fudge the numbers by artificially making some options look cheaper on the domestic market. That is... unsustainable.
How about you read the very first sentence to its end at least?
Nigger, he doesn't want to listen. You cannot convince someone who's mind is already made up
I mean, it's not even about agreeing. It's about basic reading comprehension.
DAILY REMINDER
* A doubling of preindustrial CO2, absent any feedbacks, would result in a maximum forcing of +1.2C.
* The General Circulation Models, and the IPCC, predict 2-8C of warming because AGW theory assumes a positive H2O feedback. They assume that if CO2 causes a little warming, the atmosphere will hold more water vapor which will lead to a lot of warming.
* The warming predictions cover such a large range because everyone assumes a different average H2O feedback rate.
* Every GCM based on this assumption has failed to model temperatures for the past 17 years. They are all trending too high.
* In the late 1990's the modelers themselves stated that if they missed their predictions for more then a decade that would falsify AGW theory.
* There is no data to suggest a +H2O feedback either now or in Earth's past.
* If there is no +H2O feedback then we literally have nothing to worry about.
* The average climate change believer knows none of this. Politicians, citizens, activists, surprisingly even a lot of scientists are literally ignorant of the theory and the math. In their mind it's simply "CO2 = bad" and "experts say we're warming faster then ever."
geologically, the earth is in a warm cycle
eventually we'll get another ice age
I think what really matters is actual air pollution and not greenhouse gases, being able to breathe without choking on smog is much more important than >muh CO2