Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
Nicholas Cox
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Logan White
Why are all communist larpers unemployed teenagers who don't understand anything about economics and just parrot delusional nonsense from diaries of inept NEETS like Marx?
Angel Russell
I am successful business owner and part time philanthropist.
Joshua Adams
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Ryan Cox
remember to put sage in the options field for any replies comrades :DD
Robert Davis
Hello, where is your argument? I can't see it.
Charles Ward
I take it you've let your workers take over the means of production?
>flag Probs a donkey show or rub-a-tug shop anyway
Jayden Foster
You didn't build that successful business, the government did. You are leech bleeding your fellow countrymen dry. Day of rope soon you capitalist pig.
Angel Thompson
Fuck off with this edgy teenage cancer. "LOLHAIGUIZ DAE COMMUNIST?"
Isaiah Nguyen
WHY IS THE CAPITALIST IDEOLOGY TRASH
Just because Communism or "Authoritarian Socialist Soviet-influenced/Soviet states" was a mistake of the 20th century, it doesn't mean we have to immediately bury the "dead dog". Solzhenitsyn, beyond reflection intended to reclaim the ideals of Communism from Stalin and his regime. The horror of Stalinism *Communism* , is not that bad people do bad things - they always do. It's that good people do horrible things thinking they are doing something great, Zizekian thoughts.
The actual truth is that the Capitalist Ideology is the "dead mutt", while Socialism/Communism is the "great lion" in the cage, behind the bars. In the past people admitted that they wanted "Socialism with a human face", while now they do not see any sort of alternative for the neo-liberal globalism, they just want a reformed capitalist ideology, you know, "with a human face". It's pretty funny to think that people could actually imagine a catastrophic nuclear war between all nations or a natural catastrophe to be more likely than even a reformation of the capitalist system.
Brayden Flores
What can be worse about an ideology than not being able for it to be questioned by the majority of the population? That is our current ideology, it makes us believe we have reached the peek of human development by "granting" us commodity fetishism which always brings us as being more neurotic, competitive, anxious state and on a large scale, it leaves a crisis of abundance.
Can't any of us actually feel, how capitalists are actually abusing people that are working hard, as they are exploiting their work, or how they call it, they "just" make a profit out of it. They believe that just because they are the elite, with inherited wealth or because they have worked so hard in order to achieve something, (while in actual reality, the more they made, the less they were working), that they are actually hard-working/creative individuals who contribute to the society. No, they were just doing an irrelevant job that had the meaning of achieving wealth prosperity for just themselves.
Matthew Phillips
Capitalists/Bourgeoisie have no real creative and joyful aspirations or humanitarian intentions, they are always in the pursue of wealth, but how much will it be enough for them to stop? Nothing suffices their greed. And they hide that greed under the mask of charity, that utterly prolongs the sufferings of the oppressed/poor people.
Is it really wrong to think that we deserve equal opportunities and benefits? Is it wrong to think that outcasted people are actually abused or simply neglected by the system? Considering that people who fail the system were actually failed by the system and that most of the jobs aren't any source of joy, (as we work just because it is a social norm, and that we all should blindly work in order to be able to survive in this ideological jungle, but nothing more), should we submit to this vile ideology? Sartre pointed out "Man is not the sum of what he has already, but rather the sum of what he does not yet have, of what he could have."
Today, we are actually being deprived by basic human rights like Universal Health Care, Wage adjusted to Inflation, Unemployment Benefits, Tuition-Free Education, State Subventions *and so on, and so on*. We ought to concentrate on equity and abolish the principle of classes, or simply put - we should have free access of the common ownership of the means of production, obviously, under the condition of communal ownership of goods and being taxed, nonetheless.
This is why this Ideology is trash, and for those who do not see it, they are either blindly disinterested, ignorant or just favoured by the ideology. This is why Socialism is the solution, for it replaces anxious competition with association, it brings joy, a sense of acknowledgment of reality and reinstates fundamental human values.
He's a self employed prostitute, money on it. Probs does scat shows for immigrants on the side
Carter Perry
>communist >believes in his """ownership""" of his business
You failed what is pretty much the only rule of your dumbshit ideology. How does someone end up being too dumb for Communism? Impressive.
Jason Cooper
I would like to point out that I lived in the USSR for 5 years (Moldovan SSR to be more precise) and it's not as much shitstorm as you have been indpctrinated in the Western Society. I am no USSR nostalgic, but it wasn't cancer
James Lewis
>be nearing your mid-30's >still haven't grown up
Henry Scott
>a successful business owner >believes communism can work yeah, no.
Christopher James
>be american >never leave the country >always live with the same ideology >expresses his stupid opinion on a communist thread >doesn't probably know anything than Trump and the fight with the SJW
Luke Bell
So why is Venezuela not true socialism this time?
Nicholas Hernandez
>be human >have a wide selection and variety of ideologies to choose from >pick the one that has been a humongous failure every time it tried to be implemented >desperately try to rationalize that the next time it will be different >probably spent so much time reading communist dribble he can't even fathom reading a real book once in his life
Dominic Phillips
>be Moldovan >know nothing about economics >think your philosophy can actually be applied to economics >move to a country that wasn't ruined by communism >have horrible English skills yet still try to give sermons about how a system that has failed horribly EVERYWHERE it has been tried is better than a system that has produced the wealthiest, most prosperous countries in human history hmmmmmm
Joseph Perry
no, not really ;)
Jacob Brooks
>Be Karl Marx >Find kinship in millions of followers who, like Engels, also live with their own mothers >Come up with the brilliant ideology that if others don't have mothers to leech off like himself, others can share their moms, like Engels >Call it Communism >Somehow it doesn't work It's almost like there's a limited supply of mothers basements to live in.
Mason Richardson
This is where you're wrong, muh garcon ;))
Blake Price
Venezuela was not communist, it was socialist.
Socialism is for communism what Sup Forums is for Sup Forums
Noah Myers
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Aaron Moore
Sup comrade
Mason Nguyen
I prefer socialism is to communism as syphilis is to ebola...
Joshua Nelson
Fucker
Easton Barnes
Reminder that modern "communists" have never worked a real job.
Jace Bennett
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Jacob Evans
Nice Dutch proxy, José
Lincoln Price
Starvation seems pretty trademark of Communist countries.
Tyler Brown
Communism is the best weight loss program
Justin Taylor
>leeches As opposed to your landlord, the paragon of self-made productivity
Hunter Smith
That happens when the capitalists, the majority of the world, unite with a sole purpose of undermining every system that might liberate the people from them.
Jack Watson
Know your audience commie. GTFO out of Sup Forums and starve somewhere else.
Joseph Adams
Kill yourself, gommie.
Chase Anderson
>its the farmers fault for wanting to eat some of the food he grew that he starved rather than simply having given it all to us for free and starving
James Butler
Sorry sweetie, Sup Forums is gradually swinging left and there's nothing you can do about it.
Chase King
>every failure of communism is a capitalist conspiracy AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Jordan Mitchell
>the government should let half the people own half the world, while the other half literally starves because they weren't born rich kill yourself
Alexander Phillips
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Jason Ward
At least landlords pretend to give a shit enough about a house to have to fix it up once in a while
commies are just arts students that want to sit in drum circles all day and make a living without contributing to humanity in any way
Levi Barnes
>rent (the price of which is determined in a market) is the same thing as living off of other people's labor
good rebuttal
Samuel Barnes
sorry bourgeoisie, your business belongs to the state now
Ian Collins
The utopian goal may sound good, the theory upon which Marxism is based is simply wrong on many levels.
Humans don't function in a classless society.
Neo-marxists recognized this and so they transformed the ideology from the financial to the cultural, roughly speaking. They replaced the bourgeoise by the 'white man' as a power that must be overthrown. This ideology is in power right now. And this should worry white men after we saw how things ended for the bourgeoise in the Soviet Union.
Blake Richardson
>because they weren't born rich because their collectivization efforts resulted in a horribly mismanaged food economy*
Bentley Johnson
Thats exactly what they did, dumbass.
Communism is the ideal that the people who labored the land should have to share everything with the small armed gang of bandits rather than have some for themselves.
Jacob Green
>half of the entire world is starving almost exclusively in socialist countries (India, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, China). There is less poverty in places with more economic freedom.
Isaac Price
Oh, like the ruling class in socialist and self-proclaimed communist countries, while the commoners starve with their food stamps.
Aaron Parker
>living off of other people's labor Literally what owners of capital do.
Cameron Nelson
Who wrote this?
Lincoln Davis
your mom. LOL!
Adam Scott
Or in a free market, start your own business. You have that choice.
David Moore
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Dominic Peterson
That would explains why it's wrong on so many levels
Brayden Howard
Saged of jesus.. Deus Vult
Chase Morgan
Seriously, how brainwashed do they have to be?
Cooper Green
>our cause is JUST...
Christopher Ward
QUESTION:
Actual question for the Leftists, I need a ruling on this.
My friend is saying that Anarchism is inherently Left Wing because private property rights and markets only exist because of State enforcement. He cites Bakunin (Anarchist) and Rothbart (Capitalist) for this, can anyone verify for me that this is canonical? His assessment is that any Anarchic society would necessarily be Socialist because if it weren't, it would de-facto cease to be Anarchy.
Landon Scott
Fuck you retard. State will not wither away. 1984.
Josiah Collins
well for the most part you actually have to work and invest to acquire capital
>muh inheritance yeah I agree after, say, $20 million, it should go to the government or the board of directors of the company the capital belongs to. That being said nobody "deserves" to be equally wealthy to anyone else and most inheritance is a good thing and represents families accumulating capital over generations.
In total redistributionism, the incentive people have to make their children's lives better than theirs disappears, and a YUGE amount of economic output would be lost.
Landon Jones
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Austin Johnson
>His assessment is that any Anarchic society would necessarily be Socialist because if it weren't, it would de-facto cease to be Anarchy.
>socialism >without government forcing people to redistribute their wealth Yeah, no. That's bullshit. Any kind of anarchy would just be a hobbesian jungle until a government evolved that destroyed anarchism.
>capitalism needs government to enforce property Certainly, it needs it in the sense that if it is to be successful, it needs it, but otherwise what do you think capitalism actually is? Revisionist commies claim that the USSR (and ANY trade-based economy) is capitalist, and in that sense, anarchy would be unfettered capitalism--do you think people will stop trading in anarchy?
Anyway, your entire post is a clear example of why you shouldn't let fucking philosophy get in the way of actual science (or as close as you can get to science--in this case, economics). A priorisms are mostly USELESS in the real world, as even Lenin admitted by abandoning many of the more idiotic parts of Marxism with the NEP.
Juan Anderson
Not so. Property rights are the very cornerstone of right libertarianism (minarchy) and are taken even further in ancap. Enforcement does not have to come from the state, see Hoppe on covenants and the private production of security
Brody Ward
I understand your objections, they are my objections as well, but my intention is to get a Leftist perspective on it.
Obviously I do not agree with the premise but I'm trying to understand it.
Ryan Hall
go to leftypol then idiot
Dylan White
>((marx)) RIP Sup Forums
Tyler Brooks
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Cooper Johnson
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Noah Hall
see Theres my argument.
Elijah Torres
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Grayson Perry
Sup Forums flooded them in return for these threads and then someone hacked the site and currently everything is fucked so they play communist over here.
Adrian Evans
Faces of rich cunts.
Mason Hill
you need an helicopter ride
Luke Morgan
Not really a leftist but it mostly depends on how he defines anarchy, left and right, anarchy just means no rulers and both left and right have propriety rights, they just conceive them differently (right = first person arrived is the owner; left=everyone should own the same share of natural ressources) so really both left and right could be anarchists in that perspective, though he likely has a different definition of anarchy to come up with that kind of statement. Also markets existed long before states or kingdoms
Oh ffs I just wanted to bait one of them into answering so that I could ask if that meant Somalia was Socialist.
God damn it where are these commie rats when you actually need them. Their gay site got nuked in retaliation for the TRS doxxings too, so you'd think they'd be over here whining about it.
John Anderson
Not an argument
Luke Ward
so you take the fruits of capitalism and want to spread communist nonsense, i will find you and give you an helicoper ride over a volcano
Henry Evans
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Ethan Gutierrez
Daily reminder that you shouldn't bother arguing with commies as they lack critical thinking skills
Caleb Barnes
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Hello cucks. This general is for the discussion of Cuckoldry, the ideology of revolutionary open relationships and sexual desire.
Cuckoldry is the next stage of relationship following the monogamy.
What exactly is cuckoldry according to cucks:
>Cuckoldry is a stage of relationship in which the reproductive means of the wife are bull-owned, and husband gets to bed not in order to have sex with her but to prep the bull. >Cuckoldry in it's full form is a pleasurably degrading, bull-worshipping relationship that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a relationship cuckoldry teaches us that we must replace the standrad marrige, which is controlled by the husband and a wife, by a cucked relationship, which is controlled by the bull. Then, a period of prepping follows in which the bull is pleasured by the cuck. When the bull class has been prepped, there will be time for wife to get mounted by the bull, and eventually the functions of the husband will become indistinguishable from the functions of a porn shot fluffer, and his genitalia will 'wither away' as Marx said.
I don't have any websites but i'm pretty sure OP can help me with that.
Michael Kelly
yo KANGZ an KWEENZ. Dis general iz for da takin of da past of BLACK MELANOID MAN
Back in da day WE WUZ KANGZ we travel da stars and oda planetz in our space MELANOID ships an shiet.
Woke thingz u need to now to be WOKE
>Dr. Seuss, dat cracka with da rhymes iz da prophet of Satan >Honkeys wuz made by black science manz as soldiers for fightin our wars for us. But dey rebeled. But ANCIENT BLACK MELANID MAN was wise an shiet and gave honkeys tiny dicks so honkey bitches will allways prefere a nigga. >Rapture will be raptors (like dem dinosaurs) fallin from da sky and eating honkeys. >Star Wars an Predator? Tottaly happened. Stay Woke. >Da Earth is eampty inside an shiet. >Aborted babies don't be dyin. They are flushed down da toilet an live in da sewers. >Honkeys drink ya blood.
Hello amigos. This general is for the discussion of Spainfag, the larping, basement-dwelling originator of daily autistic commie threads
Spainfag is the next stage of cuckoldry who follows the failed idea of communism
Who exactly is Spainfag according to everybody who sees his threads:
>Spainfag is an unemployed /leftypol/ drain on society who advocates for gibs cuz he is too lazy to work. He has never produced anything and is thus a waste of resources. He preaches “from each according to their ability and to each according to their need” because he has no abilities and needs to die >Spainfag in it's full form is a sperging, no class cuck that follows the maxim “lalalala I can't hear your logic” and argues anything you say with cringey pedo memes that are poorly photoshopped to support communism >To achieve such a high level of autism Spainfag must have been dropped on his head as a baby and been molested by family. His mind is now controlled by the zionist-communist class. A struggle will occur in which the people finally fight back and the zionists will be liquidated by the working class. When the zionist class has been completely vanquished, there will be many classes based on peoples' individual abilities and work ethic, and eventually the functions of the state will become minimized to ensure a free market with low taxes which benefit society as a whole, and the welfare state as such will 'wither away' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
It is recommended to sage Spainfag threads and post anti-commie memes for maximum keks. Hoppean snake & Pinochet helicopter memes, and factual anti-commie infographs work best
>My retarded ideology self destructed because it ignores basic economics >B-but it's Capitalism that is dead guys!
Oh but I agree that Capitalism has its problems, and I think there is a solution. Actually the solution is obvious and we've known about it for about eighty years. It's the only ideology that was actually successful at combating the global banking establishment. An ideology that rejects the flabby, hedonistic worldview of Capitalism and the disgusting relativism and envious, jealous capriciousness of Marxism, an ideology that embraces Divine Truth through unity within an organic state.
Maybe you've heard of it, it's all the rage with the kids these days.
