So... The governor of Arkansas decided to quickly go ahead with 8 death penalties in 10-11 days because their stock of midazolam is about to expire later this month (and European pharma companies started boycotting them). Great country you live in, burgers. By the way, why are you unable to brew this stuff yourself?
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what is wrong with the death penalty?
caging someone up, taking away their potential, their ability to express themselves, is more inhumane than the death penalty.
One of the biggest problem with the death penalty is that it is not carried out as soon as possible after the death penalty judgment.
I applaud the governor of Arkansas for doing his job. And I hope from now on, they will just hang them all by the neck - shitty poisons injected into people is no deterrence anyway.
I'm sad that we got rid of firing squads and instead pay out the ass for this shit for fucking criminals comfort.
A bullet to the head works just as well.
Nothing wrong per se, except the fact that there have been some people who got executed then later proven to be innocent. The hilarious thing here is pushing through as many executions as possible before the drug expires.
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>firing squads
Requires bullets and several people to fire their rifles.
What's so bad with hangings? You need just one executioner, and a good rope. The rope's tied correctly so that the neck breaks when the criminal is falling.
Why dont they just use firing squads. Its more humane than being put down like a dog.
>that there have been some people who got executed then later proven to be innocent
So? Justice is not perfect. If someone is innocent and is found guilty by a jury, why is it different if that person is put in prison for life or hanged by the neck?
You do understand that the justice system requires someone to be found guilty "beyond the shadow of a doubt", right?
And you get to smoke a last cigarette seconds before.
We need hanging back for things like treason
The only problem with the death penalty is making sure you kill the right person
>not having hanging on your execution method list
>calling your state just
You don't think there is something wrong with handing out death penalties due to circumstantial evidence?
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criminals are just clusters of cells
Good. More states need an express lane on their death penalty. If we're going to kill someone, why should the taxpayers support them for 10+ years while he awaits execution?
Sure there's innocents executed. However, shit happens.
So are prisons lol
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>that there have been some people who got executed then later proven to be innocent
>So?
kek
I remember being a teenager.
Unless you're the cunt getting executed.
You cheeky fucking bastard
> implying opinion
So why do you need to buy the medications abroad? Are your own companies too incompetent?
Kraut, we are just firing it all back up. Industry, Innovation, thought, freedom, progress, war, efficiency, optimizations, and even the death of those deserving.
Firing can be done with a machine in modern times. Guns and bullets are cheap.
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if there's one thing that irks me, it's pretending state execution is humane
just firing squad the rapists, murderers, pedos, and traitors
>the fact that there have been some people who got executed then later proven to be innocent
That's a problem with the court system itself and not with the punishment. Even if you banned the death penalty, those same innocent people would still have been punished, just in a different way.
Also, the number of people whom that scenario applies to pales in comparison to the vast number of criminals who would have been rightly sentenced to death but were fed and supported by taxpayer dollars for decades instead.
>inb4 le death penalty is more expensive, checkmate atheists
So cut costs and shoot them.
And where did I say that death penalty is inherently wrong?
You don't think there is something wrong with handing out life sentences due to circumstantial evidence?
Other people can play idiot, too.
nice, I hope we just shoot people like normal after.
Agreed. Poison injections are some liberal fetishists idea, the same with the electric chair. It just gives the death a prolonged dance and ritual, and is disgusting. Bullet to the head, call it a night, doesn't need any special device.
why not simply administer helium via face mask...
Are you comparing a prison sentence with death penalty?
we still have bullets. lots of bullets
>everyone is entitled taxpayer subsidies by virtue of existing
kek
I remember being a college student.
Justice is never perfect. You have people who die in a jail like dogs and are later on found out to be innocent
Why not a nice opiate overdose? Seems you got plenty of that stuff.
You really shouldn't count them as people this is like a vet putting down strays before the sedatives go bad
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What was wrong with hanging?
It's about what's more humane for the people watching the execution, not the person being executed.
The second drug that's used during a lethal injection is a muscle relaxant that renders a person paralyzed (although has no effect on their consciousness - that's what the first drug is intended to do). This would lead to death quickly on its own, but a third drug is administered to stop the heart. I've read that the third drug, potassium chloride, can lead to extreme spasms and twitching, which could cause distress to witnesses and give them the impression (accurately or not) that the person being executed is in a great deal of pain.
Bottom Line: I totally believe that there are people deserving of death. I don't believe that the government should have the power to decide if someone should die or not, though.
Maybe it's a result of growing up in Arkansas during the 90s, but I'd highly recommend the documentary Paradise Lost to everyone. It follows the trials of the West Memphis Three and is amazing. Watch it knowing that one of the kids in it was on death row up until a couple years ago.
Arkansasfag here, fuck the scum.
There needs be better execution methods than lethal injection. Too reliant on drugs. That's why we need bring hanging back, its cheap & efficient. You can even hang multiple people at same time due to the length of rope, weight, and height differences. Plus its reusable!
Beheading is pretty efficient as well. And you can reuse the sword, too.
It would be very beneficial to execute most inmates and put our tax dollars to more useful things, rather than feeding and housing niggers.
Playing devil's advocate here, their argument is that if a person is later found to be innocent, they can be freed from prison, but the death penalty is irreversible.
The government doesn't decide who gets death. The jurors -- the defendants peers -- decide.
Hello, fellow rare Arkansasfags!
Why does the left always screech about the death penalty. They claim life is sacred, but abortions are ok?
Pick one
Good job burgers the death penalty should be a law over here hang all the dirty paki paedophiles
True. However the problem is that it often takes multiple swings.
>You don't think there is something wrong with handing out death penalties due to circumstantial evidence?
Not really. It is up to the jury to decide if someone is guilty. If all evidence points to the person being guilty, I say string him up the next day in the middle of the town.
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Death penalty cases have an automatic appeal process. Most people on death row are there for more than 10 years waiting their execution
This is exactly where you are wrong!
Instead of putting them to sleep, then sending them Onward an execution apparently has to be a fucking show complete with spectators! And then, surprise, something goes wrong and someone suffers for over 40 minutes, which turns off even the most vocal supporter for the death penalty.
Get your shit together and kill them off quickly and painlessy, thats not rocket science!
>it often takes multiple swings
I guess if you're a pussy who isn't practiced in swordsmanship and samurai ways
You.. you realize one of these things can be undone right?
Lmfao bootlicking scum
Honestly if I had to choose between wrongly executed or wrongly serving 10+ years in a fucking literal beast zoo, only to be released broken and resentful of society with an "oops sorry about that" from the court before they just kick you out onto the street, I'd rather just die in that month and be done with it.
You truly must suffer less if you know you're innocent and die fast than living knowing you're innocent and treated like a guilty monster anyway.
You aren't the same coming out 10 or so years after the outside world was convinced by your case you're a criminal. It's not even the same world when you come back out into anyway.
Plus they get 3 appeals which last for years. Honestly they should just get one appeal, make it a second trail of sorts. One where they look at the evidence, and then a judge rules the verdict was justified or not. If justified, they're lead to execution right then & there. No waiting, no final meal...etc. Also Deathrow inmates should be in gen pop, saves more money.
>oh sorry we imprisoned you for forty years, here's your forty years time lost back because we're fucking time lords apparently
Also,
>muh bootlickers
t. criminal
>Implying they would actually get a real Samurai instead of some idiot who barely knows which is the pointy end.
Mike Spence's new VP office is awesome.
Justify why their sentences are immoral.
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It's called a guillotine, keep it oiled and sharp and just line the convicted up one by one in single file.
>I totally believe that there are people deserving of death. I don't believe that the government should have the power to decide if someone should die or not, though.
The govt. doesn't decide it: a jury does.
If your point was, mayhaps, that the govt. shouldn't be the ones administering the execution, then that's easily settled:
Let corporations do it.
Lethal injections are fucking retarded, we have news stories dropping every day about how they are botched and fail
Plus doctors are boycotting them and you can't inject without a doctor. Violates the principle of "do no harm"
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What you Euros don't understand is that America is 60% white. That means that 40% of the population can chimp out at any time for no reason whatsoever.
The only way to prevent that is by gunning them down in the street or executing them to keep them in line.
We aren't a country full of generally decent human beings like Europe where everyone is genetically capable of contributing society/not being shit birds.
There is a large percentage, lets say 20%, that are simply incapable of living in a human civilization.
You will figure that out pretty soon though.
>The govt. doesn't decide it: a jury does.
So basically it is the government deciding it.
Can you unrape and murder 60 kids?
Well why don't you just massacre all the niggers pre-emptively instead of having to wait until they rob and kill people?
What has that got to do with the question?
YEAH NO SHIT EXCEPT
You can still enjoy the rest of your life outisde of prison if you get released even if it's barely anything. Once you're dead your dead, say goodbye to existence and being able to take care of your kids or leave any legacy. Oh it was false, that guy was framed? OH WELL.
Because it needlessy complicates matters.
Im not going to preach about how its morally wrong, it is just procedurally imprudent.
Sure, assuming these 8 men did what they are convictef of, they "deserve" death.
I actually got the chance to sit at a hearing reviewing one of their cases on federal process matters. I won't say who but even he says he deserves it and it's the mandatory appeals process that is dragging it on.
Just go back to before we broght the death penalty back full swing. Its easier to get a jury when there is no death penalty, easier to get life without parole. Appeals are easier without this.
Arkansas has spent MILLIONS trying to get these 8 bastards executed in a row. Millions that could have just been given to the victim survivors if they just went the non capital route.
Arkansas does not fuck around with our Class "Y" Felons when they dont get death: a first time offender first degree sex assault alone typically is twenty years before you are even eligible for parole. Murders are 30 to life and very selective parole.
We aren't Sweden. Especially not in regards to "quality" of max security prison life.
These men would never walk, they would have otherwise gotten life without parole as a surrogate to the death penalty.
From a pure, logical, utilitarian stand point that realizes the less logical/more emotional responses from society, it is better to do away with capital punishment.
Deprivations of liberty are best limited to what is necessary for quarantine and rehabilitation.
Can you make a criminal into a proper citizen? Do so.
Can you not? At least have a deterence.
Deterence not enough? Raise the time.
To dangerous to be in normal society? Permanent quarantine.
No one comits a capital crime thinking "I will do this if i only get life w/o parole but not if im executed", they either think they wont get caught, don't care about being caught, or aren't thinking about consequences at all.
Too many leftists.
>So? Justice is not perfect. If someone is innocent and is found guilty by a jury, why is it different if that person is put in prison for life or hanged by the neck?
Because a still-alive man can be released, vindicated before death, and he can be reimbursed.
A juror will also have greater guilt knowing they "killed" an innocent man rather than just ruined the life of one.
>You do understand that the justice system requires someone to be found guilty "beyond the shadow of a doubt", right?
No, no such standard exists today. That is just lawyer puffery for opening and closing statements to the jury.
It is only "beyond a reasonable doubt" which is a suprisingly low bar.
It is like an opposite to how the Supreme Court used to call the standard of the review "Strict Scrutiny" as actually "Strict in theory but Fatal in fact" as an almost insurmountable standard (i.e. intentional racial discrimination is not per se unconstitutional but has only ever been upheld in WWII during the "jap panic")
As any prosecutor who will loosen their lips on the "real" standard. Beyond a reasonable doubt usually translates to "at least most of them are more than kinda sure"
Jurors are only human and if they are all only 55ish percent convinced, they will inadvertently peer pressure themselves into acting more convinced in the guilt.
Almost no one wants to be "that guy" from 12 Angry Men.
Jurors are immune from liability for "wrong" decisions and appelate courts will give strong deference to guily verdicts unless clear error. i.e. they dont see how a reasonable juror could ever think it possible/propable that the defendant was guilty.
I only watched through the Misskelley trial, but that was some bullshit.
The fact that state forced them all to plead guilty in 2010 AFTER DNA evidence that didn't belong to any of them was shown to have been at the scene is just despicable.
>Because a still-alive man can be released, vindicated before death, and he can be reimbursed.
Life is not fair. If a jury said beyond a reasonable doubt that he is guilty of raping a 5yr old and then killing her, he hangs.
If it turns out that he didn't do it after all, then well, tough luck.
>achmed implying his country considers sex with kaffir children a crime
In civilized parts of the world, we prefer not to have our state executing citizens willy-nilly just because the state managed to bully a bunch of yokels into throwing out guilty verdicts.
I don't get why they just don't do firing squads. Cheaper, faster, less painful, and about as morally ambiguous for the executors.
europe is a fucking mess
in the northwest of england now we MUST be less than 60% white
London is far far worse
>what is wrong with the death penalty?
Literally nothing. Murderers and rapists have sacrificed their right to life.