Sup Forums misconceptions thread

Let's post some shit where you think Sup Forums is incorrect:

I'll start off; the Frankfurt School was not a conspiracy to undermine the West and was in fact red pilled as fuck trying to save the West from itself.

The Frankfurt School was analyzing how capitalism undermined traditional values and why communism failed to take hold for sociological reasons. Try out this concept

>The term culture industry (German: Kulturindustrie) was coined by the critical theorists Theodor Adorno (1903–1969) and Max Horkheimer (1895–1973), and was presented as critical vocabulary in the chapter "The Culture Industry: Enlightenment as Mass Deception", of the book Dialectic of Enlightenment (1944), wherein they proposed that popular culture is akin to a factory producing standardized cultural goods—films, radio programmes, magazines, etc.—that are used to manipulate mass society into passivity.[1] Consumption of the easy pleasures of popular culture, made available by the mass communications media, renders people docile and content, no matter how difficult their economic circumstances.[1] The inherent danger of the culture industry is the cultivation of false psychological needs that can only be met and satisfied by the products of capitalism; thus Adorno and Horkheimer especially perceived mass-produced culture as dangerous to the more technically and intellectually difficult high arts.
>degeneracy of pop mass culture undermines real high culture

Frankfurt School is Marxist trash. Pop culture and mass media are what they are today because consumers a degenerates.

>Adorno, a trained classical pianist, wrote The Philosophy of Modern Music (1949), in which he, in essence, polemicizes against music ― because it has become part of the ideology of advanced capitalist society[page needed] and the false consciousness that contributes to social domination. He argued that radical art and music may preserve the truth by capturing the reality of human suffering. Hence:

>“ What radical music perceives is the untransfigured suffering of man [...] The seismographic registration of traumatic shock becomes, at the same time, the technical structural law of music. It forbids continuity and development. Musical language is polarized according to its extreme; towards gestures of shock resembling bodily convulsions on the one hand, and on the other towards a crystalline standstill of a human being whom anxiety causes to freeze in her tracks [...] Modern music sees absolute oblivion as its goal. It is the surviving message of despair from the shipwrecked.[37] ”
>This view of modern art as producing truth only through the negation of traditional aesthetic form and traditional norms of beauty because they have become ideological is characteristic of Adorno and of the Frankfurt School generally. It has been criticized by those who do not share its conception of modern society as a false totality that renders obsolete traditional conceptions and images of beauty and harmony.

>In particular, Adorno despised jazz and popular music, viewing it as part of the culture industry, that contributes to the present sustainability of capitalism by rendering it "aesthetically pleasing" and "agreeable". The British philosopher Roger Scruton saw Adorno as producing 'reams of turgid nonsense devoted to showing that the American people are just as alienated as Marxism requires them to be, and that their cheerful life-affirming music is a ‘fetishized’ commodity, expressive of their deep spiritual enslavement to the capitalist machine.'[38]

Sup Forums you have a lot in common views with (((CULTURAL MARXISTS)))

>consumers, the integral part of capitalism is degenerate but i swear capitalism isn't degenerate itself
>>>>>>>>

Jews wanting to genocide white people makes no sense because the only way they blend in and don't stand out in their postions of power is by being arround whites.

Whites who also happen to be the only race that gives a shit about them

Sup Forums you say the same shit about pop and rap today

I wonder who has bamboozled you

bump

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Sup Forums is not one person ffs.

God, I hate you pseudo-intellectuals trying to analyse the mind of someone who doesn't exist.

>This shitty disinfo again
Fuck off, leftypol. For the millionth time.

I am not talking to you then. Move on ignore whatever. It's a common thing on Sup Forums. You are being intellectually dishonest by posting this garbage.

Proof?

>>>/the_donald/

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For OP

What are your thoughts on the source of the "culture industry"?

Do you think it's perpetuated by the people at the top to keep the public complacent or it's a naturally occurring (but harmful) coping mechanism?

>This view of modern art as producing truth only through the negation of traditional aesthetic form and traditional norms of beauty because they have become ideological is characteristic of Adorno and of the Frankfurt School generally.
>literally "truth is impossible through traditional means"

you think Sup Forums agrees with this? You just copy and pasted a bunch of cultural marxist bullshit, and you know it's cultural marxist bullshit.

You're literally arguing that we should create unenjoyable art that alienates people enough to lay the groundwork for Marxism.

Why is it necessarily unenjoyable? Do you only consume commercially successful art? No niche stuff you like at all?

Also are you seriously implying that mainstream commercially successful art cannot be alienating

>The British philosopher Roger Scruton saw Adorno as producing 'reams of turgid nonsense devoted to showing that the American people are just as alienated as Marxism requires them to be

The guy was literally making shitty art on purpose to make people hate their life enough to relate to Marxism

I do like niche stuff, and it already exists under capitalism. You don't need to seize the means of production to listen to indie records faggot

Look to the fruits of the School rather than some half baked quotes.

that andromeda character is so disgustingly kikey

could you elaborate on the fruits of the frankfurt school? i'm pretty uneducated about this topic.

It's a marxist style critique which I want to draw attention to not a 'sieze means of production' type thing. You could easily mitigate this with a public funding under a still capitalist system. But indeed capitalism rewards low quality mass produced garbage to become public consumption. Then you get into all sorts of kikery as a result as well

if it alienates people then, by definition, it's not successful now is it?

Read the shit you posted, they were criticizing "cheerful life-affirming music" as a "‘fetishized’ commodity". If it was alienating then they wouldn't be criticizing it as "cheerful life-affirming music" in the first place.

you just posted a ream of bullshit and then crossed your fingers hoping no one would read it and realize your description doesn't match what it actually says. If you actually read it it clearly says that cultural marxists were creating shit art to unravel western society and promote marxism, which everyone already knew

The fuck? You're on Sup Forums you double nigger. Why do you think you are here? Your views are completely alienated to the mass produced values of a capitalist society. In fact this board is probably the most communistic types of boards where everyone is equal in name and authority and this board clearly has no relevant means of profit.

And that's a very interest interpretation because it's so stupid of a reading of that quote. For one how is it not alienating when the common music does not reflect the commoners life at all but instead is a wish fulfillment fantasy of the conditions of the regular person? How is success linked in any way to alienation? In our day to day lives we can be financially successful by moving to North Dakota and becoming oil drillers (well idk about today) but of course that's completely fucking alienating to someone that has no roots ties or cares of the culture there. Completely unrelated concepts of financial success and how people feel about a piece of work or its reliability.

According to OP's post, they speak ill of media, yet collectivists, both nationalist and internationalist, speak of the use of media and propaganda.

Both nationalist movements and internationalist movements both make use of media to spread their tripe of accepting the unacceptable and hating the truth.

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Reddit vs Sup Forums

Reddit:
>Mass produced, mass consensus culture
>Each board has its own circlejerk degenerate culture based on upvotes
>Clear buisness and profit model
>Objectively trash

Sup Forums:
>Created as a niche teen project copying some japanese hentai board
>Each board has its own culture that is organic (if we ignore all the t_d posters and other refugees that stick out like a sore thumb)
>Was clearly unprofitable passion project for a long time
>Objectively has cool things sometimes and allows people to speak their minds freely
>Has some sort of intrinsic value compared to reddit

????

Coudenhove-Kalergi was a brilliant individual responsible from saving Europe from certain annihilation and not a devil like Pol makes him out to be. He also wasn't Jewish.

And why they're degenerates?

Exactly. Got to any "backward" Eastern Europe nation untouched by mass media culture and you will get a clear picture of what causes this

Sup Forums is full of:
>ancaps who think that their ideology is socially conservative.
>Alt-righters who think america is NS
>People who think america is based or ever has been
>people who think national socialism is compatible with america ideology
>People who think Hitler was racist in that he hated any other race besides the jews
>People who think hitler wanted to take over europe and wipe out the slavs
>People think Hitler started the world war
>People who think america has ever been politically isolationist after 1890
>people who think pure capitalism is good]
>People who think Muslims are worse than Jews
>People who think Extremism is le bad
>People who think Women are just shitty, nothing to do with jews
>People who think Shifting the overton window is a vlaid strategy
>People who think Sup Forums has always accepted the alt right